Did you try Amazon? They have a lot of small used bookstores connected to their site. Sue On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:47:16 EST [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 12/22/2002 12:45:00 PM > Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Do you have the URL for this information - I > did a search on AddAll and > > could not find it? > > > > Virginia in 1760: A Reconstructed Census > > This is a bookseller site. > > Judy > >

Hello Group: I found a book at my library; "Virginia in 1760: A Reconstructed Census" On page 355 it list VIA David--Louisa, 64:13, 64:91 William--Albermarle, 64:45, 64:46 The numbers are for reels and items. I've never seen or heard of this book before. (I sure hope its there when I look for it again) Buddy

I have a marriage certificate of James Madison Via & Lena Viola Crickenberger. Married 28 Sep 1911 Albemarle, Virginia. James's parents: David and Louisa Lena's parents: Z. T. and Elizabeth If you want a copy, just email me. [email protected] Elaine =^..^=

Edna, In response to your seeking clarification as to which Robert, Littleberry and Josiah I am refering, my first response is to please carefully study the messages to the List I sent respectively on Dec. 2, 3, and 10. If I can word this more clearly, let me know. Frequently, what one "knows" has become such a part of one's own taken-for-granted knowledge, it is often assumed that it is familiar to others. Robert is the original Robert Via I of New Kent/Hanover County, son of Amor and presumably brother of William, the dead Nohome (Naomi?), Judith, Margaret and Mary and perhaps other siblings. An aside here: Nohome was dead in 1688; Judith's baptism was not recorded until 1699, an eleven year lapse. Perhaps Robert and/or William and other siblings unaccounted for were born during this period. Many pages are torn or missing completely from the Register, we are told. Littleberry is not processioned with land in VESTRY OF ST. PAUL'S..., but he is there in 1782, when Hanover County begins to tax land and personal property. It is my assumption that he was not of age when his father, Robert I, died, that his inherited land was being held in trust until he came of age. The last time that Gideon Via (presumably son of Robert I) is mentioned in the Vestry is in 1772 (not processioned), but he is listed on the tax roll in 1782, and had land processioned in 1759. He is not listed with Robert II, Josias (with an "s") and William in 1779. In 1782, there is no William (does this William appear in another county sometime between 1779, and 1782), but there is Josias, Gideon, Robert II and Littleberry. In 1783, Estate of Josias Via, Land Tax is listed, and he has disappeared from the PP Tax Roll. Abbe or Abigail is listed in his stead, widow, I assume. She is listed for a number of years and pays poll for son, Caleb in 1785. He disappears from Hanover PP Tax Roll by 1797. Is there a Caleb out there about this time in another county? I am not looking at all of the entries, but the land of his father, Josias, is listed as "Estate of" until 1812. Gideon disappears from the PP Tax Roll in 1787, and his land is listed as "Estate of." In 1784, Littleberry begins to pay poll on sons, Littleberry, Jr. and William (Free males between 16 & 21). This Littleberry, Jr., did not stay in Hanover, nor I believe, did this William. [My ancestor, Josiah (with an "h," not "s"), is not listed as an adult poll on his own until 1798, so presumably, he was born ca 1775-76. Littleberry had a large number of children. There were eight in his household at one time]. These two, Littleberry, Jr. and William, would have been born by 1768, at the latest, and at least one of them was born before 1768. So, that would have made Littleberry, Sr (or I) be born ca 1742, the proper age to be son of Robert I, who is not processioned after 1759. Littleberry would have been minor in 1759, and would not have had land processioned. His inheritance would have been held in trust. There was no processioning in 1763, and he is not mentioned in the records until 1782, but then, Gideon's land was not processioned during the 1770's either. Again, this may have been a result of missing records or that some Orders and Returns simply were not issued and completed during the later years leading up to the Revolution. I have no way of knowing. Evidence that LIttleberry was son of Robert I, I believe I explained in my earlier postings. This Littleberry lived and died in Hanover. I know that Josiah (with an "h", not "s"; his uncle was Josias with an "s" not an "h") was his son and inherited his land or bought from the other heirs because, on the Land Tax Records while the land of Littleberry is listed as "Estate of", in the explanations beside the listing at times is "apply to Josiah Via for taxes." Then the estate is settled, and Josiah is listed as owner. This same land passes down to Carter. Proof - The Hanover Land Tax Records, and Josiah gives consent for his 20 year old son (census and Carter's Death Register), Carter, to marry in 1828. The land was then divided among Carter's children (Lavinia, who married Henry Jackson Clay Vass and died in 1861, without issue before her mother, Louisiana, did, naturally did not inherit; Georgiana who married Thomas Jefferson Otey; Andrew Jackson who married Margaret Washington Peace; Harrison who married Mildred Hare and left no issue; and Edward who married Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood), when Carter's wife died ca 1872. Edward's heirs sold the last of the land that had belonged to Robert I in 1934. My ancestors, Andrew Jackson Via and his wife, Margaret Peace, sold their inherited lands (that had been adjacent since about 1785 when her grandfather, William Peace, bought the land she inherited) in 1884, for $2.00 an acre. Andrew Jackson (AJ), Harrison, and Edward's names appear on the Confederate Monument that stands on the green of that lovely, beautifully proportioned, small 18th century Hanover Courthouse. In collecting and studying all the records that are available in this designated Burned Record County, I have tried to be as objective as I possibly can in drawing some conclusions based on evidence. With the sources that I have, there is just no other brother, parent/child, etc., relationship that I can deduce. My mind is always open to other possibilities, and I should be most happy to read them. Any clearer? It is rather convoluted sounding if one is not looking at records. And to correct an earlier posting I made, I believe that Carter and Louisiana were second cousins once removed as opposed to third once removed. Janelle

In a message dated 12/12/2002 8:59:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > <Thank you so much for posting Fanny Ann Via's Patrick County deed > and will.>> Janelle, You're very welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed seeing them. <<> few Ingrams that I have been able to locate in Hanover during > our time frame, but I believe there were some in Henrico. Do you know > where brother, James, was before he locates in Patrick? >> Unfortunately I don't know where he was prior to Patrick County and do not have any info on his and Fanny's parents. However I suspect that Sarah Ingram was their mother. In a book I have The Personal Property Tax Lists for the Year 1787 for Hanover County, Virginia, by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florene Speakman Love, Genealogical Books in Print, Springfield, Virginia, 1987, there is a Sarah Ingram. This book is sorted 1st alphabetically by last name and then by date when the families were visited which gives us an idea of their neighbors. Alphabetically Sarah Ingram is listed on page 980 as Sarah Ingram, self, 0 0 1 1 3 - not tithable. According to dates of visitation she is listed on page 993 for visits on April 30, 1787. Others listed on the same date in order visited are: Sarah Ingram, Robt Via Sr, and Clauduius Viall. This would tend to make me think Sarah being not tithable she was elderly and living close or next door to Robert Via Sr that this was most likely Fanny Ann's mother. There are two other Ingrams listed in this tax list; Anthony and John. Anthony and John Ingram are listed next door to each other and their household was visited on April 13, 1787 quite some time before they got to the area of Sarah Ingram. > << I know Robert, Jr. came away with all of Robert's 128 acres in > Hanover. >> I sure wish there was a way to trace that 128 acres backwards. I've often wondered if Robert got that land from Thomas Lightfoot, Thomas Gibson, Henry Crompton, or Major Nicholas Meriwether. Our only hope of knowing if that's where he got it is if the seller of the land was in another county where the deed might also show up or if the land was left to him by his father-in-law. The reason I wonder if he got the land from one of the above individuals is due to the info in the Vestry Book of St. Pauls Parish, page 260 when Robert's land was processioned...."In Obedience to the within Order, we the Subscribers, withthe within mentioned persons excepting Thos Lightfoot, Thos Gibson, HenryCrompton, Majr Nicho Meriwether in lieu of whom were Hen: Kerby, Geo: Barker,Henry Crompton Junr, & Robt Via, & with them have peaceably and quietlyProcessiond the within mentiond Land accordingly Jan 17 1719 <<> Have you access to or have you copy of an autobiographical sketch written > by > George W. Via of Patrick County in which he says his grandfather, William > Via, married Sallie Ingram (is this Elizabeth with an unusual pet name), > who > was the daughter of James Ingram (wife not known) who lived "near old Union > Church on Smith River?">> Yes, I have seen this information. And two thoughts on the subject. Either George W. Via confused a little of the information or he just didn't want to talk about certain subjects. William Via married an Elizabeth Ingram. Her father James Ingram refers to her as Elizabeth Ingram in his will " I give to my daughter ELIZABETH VIA one negro girl named Nan also one negro boy named Sam" and her marriage bond lists her as Elizabeth Ingram. Know all men by these present, that we William Via, Islam Hamby, & Alexander Ingram are held and firmly bound unto James Monroe Governor & chief magistrate of the commonwealth of Virginia, in the sum of one hundred and fifty Dollars, to which payment well and truly to be made to the said Governor, and his successors, for the use of the commonealth, we bind ourselves, and each of us, and each of our heirs, executors, and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals, and dated this 31st day of May Anno Domini, one thousand eight hundred seven and in the XXIV year of the Commonwealth. The condition of this obligation is such, that whereas there is a marriage intended shortly to be had and solemnized between the above bound Wm Via & Elisabeth Ingram. Now if there is no lawful cause to obstruct the said marriage, then this obligation to be void, else to remain in full force and virtue. Sealed and delivered William Via (seal) in the presence of J Hamby (seal) Alexander Ingram (seal) Samuel Staples > The Elizabeth Ingram who married William Via was the daughter of James > Ingram and Martha ___. William of course the son of Robert Via and Fanny > Ann Ingram. This James would have been of the same generation as Fanny Ann > but I cannot seem to place him as the brother of Fanny Ann. Seems like > they would have been brother and sister and that William and Elizabeth 1st > cousins but apparently this is not the same James. James was the son of > Alexander Ingram. Alexander Ingram wrote his will in 1780 and it was > proven in court in 1783 in Botetourt County. He does not name Fanny Ann if > in fact she were his daughter so maybe there were more than two James > Ingrams in Patrick County of about the same age. > > Judy

Judy, Thank you so much for posting Fanny Ann Via's Patrick County deed and will. Such pleasure to connect her to the Vias in Hanover. There are few Ingrams that I have been able to locate in Hanover during our time frame, but I believe there were some in Henrico. Do you know where brother, James, was before he locates in Patrick? Or rather, I suppose the answer I seek is who his folks were and where he was born, which would give us Fanny Ann's background. I had always thought that Robert II or SR's deed of gift a little strange, that it was most unusual that Robert and Fanny Ann probably had only one child in an age when couples generally produced many offspring. The deed seemed to suggest that there was just one child, Robert, Jr. I wonder why he didn't provide for his younger children, or perhaps there is a lost deed or in his will, he did. It is also possible that the slaves had belonged to Robert, Jr.'s mother and were Sr.'s to use only for life. Perhaps Sr.'s deed was just reiterating and verifying this to prevent any problems. I know Robert, Jr. came away with all of Robert's 128 acres in Hanover. Of course, that will has been lost. At last I know the surname of an 18th century Hanover Via wife, even if she isn't in my line. It tells me something about Robert also. Have you access to or have you copy of an autobiographical sketch written by George W. Via of Patrick County in which he says his grandfather, William Via, married Sallie Ingram (is this Elizabeth with an unusual pet name), who was the daughter of James Ingram (wife not known) who lived "near old Union Church on Smith River?" They had five girls and two boys. Is this James the brother of Fanny Ann? George W. says that "sometime near the close of the 18th century William, James, Sallie and Nancy Via came to Patrick from Amherst, but evidently raised in Henrico County." This indeed must be the family of Fanny Ann and Robert as he lists the names of their children and their spouses, and their names correspond with those you listed with the exception of the Sallie and Elizabeth bit. George W. Via goes on to say that his father, James Via, fourth son of William and Sallie, married Mary Jordan DeHart. They had ten sons and three daughters. Is there any wonder that Amor's progeny with surname Via are all over the US! If nothing else, the family was prolific with sons. Then George W. later states that his gr. grandfather. Aaron Dehart married Elinda Dennis in Henrico. A number of the families of whom he speaks seem to be rooted in Hanover and Henrico Counties. The piece is very precise and informative naming wives and children of so very many people. I remember copying it at the Virginia Historical Society when I was in Richmond in 1976, but I do not have title page of book (misplaced, I imagine) that was published in 1926. The call number is handwritten by VHS on some of the pages. This article appears to be either from a book written by Patrick County's residents or a piece that could have come from family genealogies. I learned that the people were not mine soon enough, but the details of the many children from each generation were so knowledgeably written that I couldn't discard it. I placed it in my "other Via" files. George W. was the ninth son of a family of thirteen, having been born in 1850, near Woolwine and had written this in the 1920's apparently. He had knowledge that stretched back to the 18th century, although he did not appear to know that his great grandparents were Fanny Ann and Robert Via. William named one of his sons Robert, but there is no Fanny or Ann, and Robert is not a name that comes down in this family. Family names do not seem to be the norm among any of the many children, grandchildren, gr. grandchildren. That Fanny Ann arrived in Patrick with only one of the slaves is not really surprising. Mortality rate being so very high, it is quite possible that one died. I should look back at the 1797 Hanover PP Tax roll for that year or the next following Fanny Ann's death to see if Robert Jr. or III shows an additional one. It seems that in the Land Tax records I've read, sometimes it takes awhile for the clerks to get land transferred as soon as it seems that it should be. The Processioning records are the same way. That is one reason that it doesn't bother me for Amor's land to be Ordered to be Processioned, but the Return shows that on the scene itself was the widow Via (Margaret or Mary) or her representative. In her case it would probably have been a son. The purpose of Processioning was to be certain that everyone in each particular precinct agreed to the boundaries of his/her land; so, on appointed day the owners or representatives trooped around and either agreed or disagreed on boundaries, and agreement was not always reached. It was only indirectly for taxing purposes. Janelle

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I still think I am correct - perhaps it was more prevalent in Virginia. ~~Edna Barney <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/neddybarney/">Neddy's Nook</A> <A HREF="http://www.ednabarney.com">ednabarney.com</A> --1a6.d737b48_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY WIDTH="0" HEIGHT="0" SRC="cid:[email protected]" BACKGROUND="cid:[email protected]" ID="MA325144403" DATASIZE="1408"><FONT COLOR="#400000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">In a message dated 12/11/2002 10:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">She also refers to the other daughter as Anne <BR> when we have her name as Nancy.&nbsp; Is Ann a nickname for Nancy or was she named <BR> Nancy Ann?<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#400000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><BR> That is very interesting.&nbsp; In all my years of genealogy I have always worked with the belief that Nancy was a nickname for Ann.&nbsp; I know of specific instances in my research in the 19th century and before where the same women has been refered to as one or the other, but never "Nancy Ann" or "Ann Nancy".&nbsp; It seems in modern times, the double name "Nancy Ann" has become popular.&nbsp; I just asked my husband about Nancy being a nickname for Ann and he has never heard of it.&nbsp; But he said he has come across "Nan" being the nickname for Ann.&nbsp; I still think I am correct - perhaps it was more prevalent in Virginia.&nbsp; <BR> ~~Edna Barney</FONT><FONT COLOR="#400040" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Kristen ITC" LANG="0"><BR> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/neddybarney/">Neddy's Nook</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Kristen ITC" LANG="0"><BR> <A HREF="http://www.ednabarney.com">ednabarney.com</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#400040" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Kristen ITC" LANG="0"><BR> <P ALIGN=CENTER></FONT><FONT COLOR="#400000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </P></FONT></HTML> --1a6.d737b48_alt_bound-- --part1_1a6.d737b48.2b28c2f8_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="bgSnow.jpg" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEASABIAAD/2wBDAAUDBAQEAwUEBAQFBQUGBwwIBwcHBw8LCwkMEQ8S EhEPERETFhwXExQaFRERGCEYGh0dHx8fExciJCIeJBweHx7/2wBDAQUFBQcGBw4ICA4eFBEU Hh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh7/wAAR CABaAFoDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD69ooprKGKkk/KcjBI7Y59eveuA6h1FFNd lRGd2CqoyzE4AHrQAISwyUK8kYOPXrx69adRRQAUUUUwCiimooQYBPUnkk9TnvSAdRRRTAKa +4IxQBmx8oJwCfr2p1NO7eCCNuDkY5zxjn86QDXKGZUYsGHzDqAe30PXp9DSI5aZ+SFTjHY5 xz+H9TSOzmYIYfkHIfPf6VEBIsjkqjFmyvbgDv696Q7FlgHXB3YyDwSOh/8ArfjQrBiwAPyn ByCO2ePXr2pEZyzBo9qjGDnOaUFt5BA24GDnnPOePypiHUUU1mClQQfmOBgE9s8+nTvQA6ii imAUUUUAFNIbeCCNmDkY5J4xz+dOprqHRkJIDDBwSD+BHIpAMlikklQ+cyxr1RR976mmGHfv iYMEGNj7uc85/wAmpi6hwhYbyCQueSBjJ/UfnTqVkx3YyEOsYWRw7DqwXGfwyaUk7wuwkEE7 uMDpx6//AKqEdZEV0YMjDKsDkEeooUtltwAGflwc5GO/pzmmIdRRRTAKKajq4yjBhkjIOeQc EfnTqQBRRRTAKKKKACmoioMIoUZJwBjknJP506ikAUUU0opcOVG8AgNjkA4yP0H5UADkqMhS 3IGBj168/nQFAcvk5IA6nHGe3Tv/AJxQwJKkOVwckDHzcdD/AD49KZIv7wOshDcArngj6f1o AerozMqsCUOGHocZ/rSMPLWR1V3J+baG5Jx0GTgdPYVEZGVziNgrHJb0GKmjZWyFcMV4bB6G kPYdRTUYOiuMgMMjIIP5HkU6mIKaqKpYqoBY5YgdTjGT+AH5U6igAooopgFFNdgiM5BIUZOA SfwA5NOpANZQxUnPynIwSO2OfXrUUoTz1xCWk/vbeg+v4fyqemfcCIqsw6ZznAx1OTk+nc80 MER5Ysw+8yAEgDGafAFMYdYxGWGSNuDSnCuCseS5wzDHHB5P8vxpx3bwQRtwcjHOe3P50hiI wdFcAgMMjIIP4g8inUUUxBRRRTAKKKKACiiigAooooAKKKKAGlgHCYOSCehxxjv07/5xTqKK QH//2Q== --part1_1a6.d737b48.2b28c2f8_boundary--

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Fanny Ann Ingram Via > In a message dated 12/10/2002 10:38:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > William Via born 13 April 1779 married Elizabeth Ingram > > > > Judy - Where does that birthdate for William Via come from? I have that he > was born in 1762 from Louisa Via Giles, who herself was born in 1878. And This date CAN'T be right! Sue > isn't it interesting that the name of one of Fanny's children in the will was > "Sarah Amer Via"? Do you know if that has been abstracted correctly? I > don't know of any other instance where the name "Amer" has been perpetuated, > and this with a daughter. > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/neddybarney/">Edna Barney</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 12/10/2002 6:31:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > What are Fanny Ann's children's names in Patrick County? When do they come > of age? When did she die? This is an interesting revelation that she > moved > on and did not just die in Hanover when she disappeared. Did she remarry? > In the Patrick County Personal Property Tax Roll is she listed with the 2 > slaves? She did not have right by law to dispose of them. > Janelle, Thank you for your reply. I know how much you have studied the Hanover records and certainly respect your findings, so thank you for sharing this info. Fanny Ann did not remarry. Here's the info I have on Fanny Ann Ingram Via: Hanover Co., Virginia personal property tax list: 1789-93 2 1 1794 and one adult 1 1 Column one is number of slaves, column two number of horses. ******************* 28 Oct 1795 Patrick Co., Virginia This indenture made this 28th day of October in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety five Between James Ingrum of the One part and Fanny Via of the other part both of ___ of Patrick County Witnesseth that the said James Ingrum for & in Consideration of Forty Pounds Current Money of Virginia to him in hand paid by the said Fanny Via before the Signing & delivery of these Presents the Receipt whereof I the said James Ingrum do acknowledge myself fully Satisfied Contented and paid for every part & Parcel thereof only a Small Exception of a Small part called the mine holes with liberty to dig to get ?oil? if any Can be found but forevery other part have Granted Bargained Sold & delivered & do Grant Bargain Sell and deliver by the Presents unto the said Fanny Via her heirs and assigns forever one Certain Tract or Parcel of Land Containing Ninety Six Acres lying and being in the County of Patrick on the Waters of Smiths River and bounded as followeth to wit Beginning at a Red Oak and thence ___ lines North Twenty Six degrees East One hundred and Ten Poles to a Maple on a Branch South Ten degrees West One Hundred and forty eight Poles Crossing sd Branch to a Poplar South eighty one Degrees West Twenty Two Poles to a Chestnut Oak South Twenty Nine degrees West Sixty poles to Po_ers North Fifty Seven degrees West Sixty Poles to a red oak on a Ridge & thence along the same to the Beginning. Together with all the uses Orchards Woods Ways Water Ways and Meadow ground thereon Standing Growing or being and likewise all rite Title Claim Interest and demand whatsoever of we the said James Ingrum To and for the said Fanny Via to have and to hold in Fee simple the aforesaid Tract of Land and Premises together with its appurtenances to her the said Fanny Via her Heirs and Assigns forever & said James Ingrum will for himself his heirs and assigns make any Further ___ Title Deed or Conveyance of the said Land to the said Fanny Via as She or her Heirs shall Lawfully require In Witness whereof the said James Ingrum hath set his hand and affixed his Seal This day and year above mentioned. James Ingrum [his mark] Teste James Cox William Via Thomas Perry [his mark] At a Court of Quarterly Sessions held for Patrick County on the 28th day of April 1796 The within Written Indenture was Acknowledged by the within named James Ingrum to be his Act and Deed and the same was Ordered to be Recorded by the Court. Teste Samuel Staples Clk ************************************************* 30 Nov 1795 Patrick Co., Virginia - will of Fanny Ann In the name of God amen I Fanny Ann Via of Patrick county and state of Virginia being in low state of health but in full exercise of my reason calling to mind the mortality of the body I have made and ordained this my last will and testament viz first I recommend my soul to God who gave it and my body to the earth to be buried with Christian burial at the discretion of my executor in hopes that it will be raised again at the last day and as touching such worldly goods as God has blest me with I do dispose of in the following manner Item I will & bequeath to my well beloved sons William Via and James Via my land to be equally divided between them also I will and bequeath to my two beloved son James Via my horse and mans saddle. I also will and bequeath to my well beloved daughters Anne Via and Sarah Amer Via my negroe woman named Amy and her increase to be equally divided between them I also give and bequeath to my daughter Sarah A my best bed and furniture also to my daughter Anne my other bed and furniture. I also do will that the land be rented out and the negroe woman hired out until my debts be paid. I also will and bequeath to my beloved daughter Anne my womans saddle. I also will and desire that my daughter Sarah A Via be maintained out of the rent of the land and hire of the negroe woman till she be able to maintain herself. I also will and bequeath to my beloved son William Via my cow and cay I also will the rest of my household furniture to be divided between my two daughters I also will that my corn and fodder and meat be equally divided between all four of my children. I constitute my son and my brother James Ingram William Via and James Via to be my executors of this my last will and testament In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 30th day of November 1795 Witness James Cox William Slaughter [his mark] Martha Ingram [her mark] Nancy Lewis [Patrick Co., Va. WB 3:301] *************************** Fanny Ann Ingram Via apparently died between the time she wrote her will on 30 November 1795 and the date is was ordered to be recorded 28 April 1796. However she is still shown on the Patrick Co., Virginia Land Tax Records for 1797. (Was this because the sons were not of age yet??) ************************ Patrick Co., Virginia Land Tax Records 1796 Fanny Via (of Jas. Ingram) 96 acres 1797 Fanny Via 96 acres ********************************************* I'll continue in another e-mail. Judy

Judy, Because of the loss of so many of Hanover's records in the 1865, out-of-control Richmond fire set by the Confederates to prevent the Yankees from gaining access to munitions, firearms and other supplies, trying to piece together family groups is convoluted torture. From the VESTRY BOOK OF ST. PAUL'S..., which I have studied thoroughly for years, I have developed the theory/premise that Robert I probably died ca 1760 (which, at that, would have given him a long life, especially for that time period), because there appears in November, 1759, Gideon, Josias and Robert (II) with Robert I in Precinct 18, Robert Via and Charles Barker, Overseers, p 388. The Orders and Returns are missing for 1763, but in 1768, there is only one Robert with Gideon, Josias and a William (perhaps a son of Robert also, but he has disappeared from the land or property tax rolls by 1782. It is definitely not the William who removed to Albemarle earlier). As the Revolution approached, the entries in the Vestry Book become less frequent and are not as thorough until they commence in 1782, under County jurisdiction as opposed to Parish. All this is preface in an attempt to answer (certainly not validated by anything except the records that are available to which I have had access in Hanover and educated deduction) your inquiring about my thoughts about Robert II and wife (ves). He was processioning his own land by 1759, so it can be assumed, I think, that he was of age, say at least 21, so born by ca 1735, which would be in line for his being son of Robert I. In 1788, in a deed of gift (Robert Sr. or II to Robert, Jr. or III), gives son a number of slaves with the stipulation that wife, Fanny Ann, have use of two of them during her widowhood providing she treats them well. In 1789, there appears in the Personal Property Tax Roll for the first time Fanny Ann Via. Robert Via is there also, but I think this is Robert, Jr (III). If Robert II or Sr. as husband were living, Fanny Ann would not be listed, but her tithes must be paid by her because she is head of household (presumably she is a widow), and significantly, I think, she is listed with 2 slaves (and a horse). Robert Via is listed on the Property (Land) and Personal Property Tax Rolls, but again, I think this is Jr. or III, and he inherited from Sr. or II his land (128 acres). Fanny Ann continues on the Personal Property Tax Roll through 1794 (and Robert, Jr. or III is listed beyond 1794, and also on the Land Tax Roll ). Fanny Ann has disappeared from Hanover completely by 1795. Is this about the time she appears in Patrick County? Are our dates consistent that the Fanny Ann of Hanover is the Fanny Ann of Patrick? She is listed with one free white male tithable above 16 years of age in 1794. I think Robert, Jr. (or III) was of age when his father gave him the slaves in 1788, or his father would have made guardian provisions in the deed, I surmise (only a guess, because I do not know the law at the time without looking it up). Also, Robert, Jr. (III) estate (land) is listed in 1804, and it continues until 1814, when it is finally settled on Robert IIII (after some of it had been sold), who was the father of Louisiana. He died 1823-24. Although her mother, Mary, was living, a guardian was appointed for Louisiana because she was a minor (age, about 15) and inherited land from her father (either 43 or 48 acres), and on 7 Jan. 1828, when Louisiana was 20 and married Carter Via, her guardian posted bond (Henrico County). I have not followed Fanny Ann after she disappeared from the Hanover Personal Property Tax Roll. I think it is entirely possible that Robert, Sr. (or II) could have been married more than once, that Fanny Ann could have been second wife. I think it is also possible (speculating, based on interpretation of existing records) that Robert Via, Jr./III was married more than once also, 2nd being a propertied woman, and the results of this second union may have been Gilson Via and Nancy Via. They were brother and sister, and Gilson's father's name was Robert, ergo so was Nancy's. Nancy was the Nancy who married John Gibson. Gilson married 1st Cynthia Hughes, Dec. 22, 1812, and had one son, Richardson, who died young and left life estate to his father. Gilson married 2nd Mary "Polly" White, Aug. 1, 1816 and had Susanna, Mary Elizabeth who married Wiliam A. "Billy" Jones, Margaret Ann who married Thomas Gallatin Turner, Robert who died without issue before his father, and Virginia A. who married Francis W. Johnson. Gilson married 3rd Jane S. Talley, May 18, 1848, and had two more daughters, Alice Newell who married Christopher R. Hughes and Kate D. who married Patrick Henry Hughes, brother of Christopher. I believe it is a descendant of one of Kate's children who is in possession of the Hughes, Via, Turner, Hughes family Bible, typescript pages of which are in The LVA. Gilson's will is handwritten, and he dies in 1865, will probated Oct. 21, 1865. What are Fanny Ann's children's names in Patrick County? When do they come of age? When did she die? This is an interesting revelation that she moved on and did not just die in Hanover when she disappeared. Did she remarry? In the Patrick County Personal Property Tax Roll is she listed with the 2 slaves? She did not have right by law to dispose of them. Oh, Hanover is forever a challenge. I imagine that is the reason that I stay fascinated with family there, and why I keep going back over all the records that I have assembled to try to determine if I have missed something. I do not know the surnames of any of the wives until Carter marries Louisiana Via. I assume that Lucy (her given name and wife of Littleberry) was Carter's grandmother, but I know no surnames until Louisiana is born in 1807-08. The strongest evidence that Josias (also listed alias Cyrus or Joseph at times on the tax records, but is definitely synonymous with Josias), Gideon, Robert (II) and Littleberry are the sons of Robert I is that in 1782, when their lands are first taxed by the county, they are listed with roughly the same amount of land each, they are appraised on the same day, April 25, and after the appearance of the "Designation and Situation of Land" column these lands are adjacent, or to be more precise, portions and/or all of several are adjacent to each other. All four of them can write as could thier father and grandfather. There are extant examples of their signatures. Have I just muddied the waters? Janelle

In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:55:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > What else is known about Robert II. Could he be my Robert? > Sue, As far as I know Robert II died in Hanover Co. about 1788. His deed of 1788 is below. Judy This indenture made the 19th day of August in the year of our Lord God MDCCLXXIII between Robt. Via, Senr of the Parish of St. Paul of the County of Hanover of the one part, to his son Robt. Via Junr of the said Parish and County of the other part, Witnesseth: That the said Robt. Via, Senr for and in consideration of the love and affection which he beareth to his said son Robt. Via, Junr and also for and in consideration of the tender and affectionate care which the said Robt. Via Junr hath exercised toward his Father at all times but particularly in his distress and sickness, hath given, granted and confirmed and by these presents doth give, grant and confirm unto the said Robert Via Junr his heirs and assigns forever all the following Estate to wit Eight Negroes Viz Peter, Tom, Jimboy, Jack, Lucy, Sarah, Amy and Jane also two featherbeds of furniture also two pewter dishes and a Bason and my Red Heffer with a Red Bull calf also a White Barrow of a White Sow Shote and also a Bay horse colt two years old all which Estate I give, Grant and confirm unto my said son Robt. Via Junr his heirs and assigns forever but with the following exception that my wife Fanny Ann Via shall hold and enjoy two of the said Negroes to Wit Sarah and Amy During her Widdowhood or as long as she shall use them well and provide for their comfortable support and nourishment in food and Clothing but when she shall Die or Marry or shall neglect them or let them suffer my said son is to assume his undivided Interest in the said Slaves and I do by these presents Warrant and Defend all the above mentioned Estate with their Increase unto my said son Robert Via Junr his heirs and assigns forever Except as to the above Exception with Respect to Sarah and Amy, in Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my Seal the day and year above written. Robt. R. Via Senr (His Hand) In presence of Elisha White Manoah Lipscomb Lucy Kent (mark) court of Thurs. Sept. 4, 1788

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: [VIA-L] Robert > Janelle, > In regards to one of your postings you mentioned yu also descend from another > son of Robert I....through son, Robert (of the deed of 1788) through son, > Robert (same deed), through son, Robert, to daughter, Louisiana Via. > > Do you think Robert II was married twice? Since the children Robert's wife > Fanny Ann took to Patrick County were born from about 1779 to 1788 it seems > like there is quite a gap between their ages and Robert II's (assuming Robert > II was of age to receive his father's estate). What else is known about Robert II. Could he be my Robert? Sue > > Judy >

Janelle, In regards to one of your postings you mentioned yu also descend from another son of Robert I....through son, Robert (of the deed of 1788) through son, Robert (same deed), through son, Robert, to daughter, Louisiana Via. Do you think Robert II was married twice? Since the children Robert's wife Fanny Ann took to Patrick County were born from about 1779 to 1788 it seems like there is quite a gap between their ages and Robert II's (assuming Robert II was of age to receive his father's estate). Judy

From: A Hornbook of Virginia History, Published by The Division of History of the Virginia Department of Conservation and Development, Compiled and Edited by J.R.V. Daniel, Division Director Page 97 The head right system of land distribution was the essence of democracy. >From 1610 to 1660, when small farms were profitable and wages for labor four and five times those paid in England, it made the Colony a veritable land of opportunity for the poor and middle classes across the ocean. By this system, each settler, be he nobleman or churl, was entitled to 50 acres; so too were apprentices upon the completion of their apprenticeships. Practically all labor was supplied by white indentured servants until the century's last decade. In 1699 "treasury rights," which meant the sale of unlimited land by the Colony to those who could pay the treasury five shillings for each 50 acres, were issued, and as a result, before 1715 the head right system had ceased to be an important factor in building Virginia civilization. As plantations grew in number and great landed estates appeared, the position of the small farmer and the white servants steadily deteriorated. There is a possibility the above information could answer some questions we have about Amer's 50 acres and may account for the fact he wasn't in the early records for New Kent County. He may have been an indentured servant but it is just as likely that when the above mentioned "treasury rights" appeared in 1699 he was able to acquire the 50 acres. We know he paid the taxes or quit rent of his 50 acres. Judy

----- Original Message ----- From: R&SB <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] If Wm Amer was out of the County!!! > Good Afternoon, Group!!! I meant he was out of the county, perhaps had gone to James City County or York County, Williamsburg. Was also told by County Clerks in one Virginia Courthouse, that if the names on the tax list were only those who paid their taxes. If they were not paid that was a separate list that sometimes did not get recorded. I have seen some lists of unpaid taxes, they usually caught them up the next year or two. Also in the case of Jesse Maupin of Madison Co. Ky, son of Zachariah, one year he was gone from Madison Co. His step son paid the taxes, the next year Jesse was back and paid the taxes himself, again. William

Judy, I guess it didnt go through but this is the person who emailed this to me..."Sue/Allen Brazell" [email protected] ... She would be the one to contact about this... Sorry about the confusion... - Tabitha Holmes [email protected] wrote:In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:53:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > My g-g-grandfather was RUFUS JOSIAS VIA who was born in Hanover Co VA. JOHN > WILLIAM VIA was his son and was born 24 March 1843, born in Virginia (I > think). This would probably make the birth date of Rufus Josias Via > somewhere near 1800. JOHN WILLIAM VIA married CORRINE SISSON in > Charlottesville, Green Co VA. I do not know what date, but their first > child, Ernest Stanard Via was born in 1869 in Stanardsville, Greene Co VA Anitsalagi Nanisulagogvni a/ Ewf n/{wqz/ (Cherokees Never Quit) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:53:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > My g-g-grandfather was RUFUS JOSIAS VIA who was born in Hanover Co VA. JOHN > WILLIAM VIA was his son and was born 24 March 1843, born in Virginia (I > think). This would probably make the birth date of Rufus Josias Via > somewhere near 1800. JOHN WILLIAM VIA married CORRINE SISSON in > Charlottesville, Green Co VA. I do not know what date, but their first > child, Ernest Stanard Via was born in 1869 in Stanardsville, Greene Co VA Tabitha, I'd be interested in knowing more about Rufus Josias Via and what documentation shows he was the father of John William Via. I have info on a John W. Via and his son Ernest S. Via but have the father of John W. listed as Reuben Via and Lavinia Garrison. Maybe we can share info and determine which parent is correct...Rufus Josias or Reuben. Judy

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] If Wm Amer was out of the County!!! > In a message dated 12/3/2002 8:36:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Do you think he could have been in another county, working, living, etc, > > temporarily. > > > > > > William, > Anything's possible but we haven't seen any info that would indicate to us > that Amer may have been out of the country. > Are you looking at the actual microfilm of the records or the records themselves? Sometimes transcribers miss a name. I found one ancester of mine was totally off all the transcriptions of one particular census. But when I looked at the microfilm, I found him. It seems that one person did the first transcription and no one else did theirs from the original. Sue > Judy >

Personal Property Tax Lists For The Year 1787, by NettiSchreiner-Yantis and Florene Speakman Love, Genealogical Books in Print, Springfield, Virginia, 1987 Column One – Number of white males above 16 and under 21 Column Two – Blacks above 16 Column Three – Blacks under 16 Column Four – Horses, mares, colts & mulesColumn Five – Cattle “The lists are given twice in the individual county books– once in the original order, then again rearranged by the date on which the commissioner had visited each taxpayer. This second list makes it possible to tell who the neighbors were since it appears evident that the commissioner visited those living in the same vicinity on the same day.” ‘Reasons for being exempt included being a woman; being old and infirm; and an occupation of clergyman or professor. Certain political jobs – from constable (at the county level) to governor (at the state level) made one exempt. White males sixteen to twenty one were subject to a county parish tithe, but not to the state poll tax. Indians were exempt. Levy free and not tithable are synonymous. However, when the tax commissioner wrote levy free, he probably meant the person had been legally exempted from paying the tax by the county court. Any time a person’s name did not appear in the column to becounted as a poll, we have indicated this by inserting not tithable in the notes. Some of these were no doubt levy free because of court orders, while others were exempt from the poll for other reasons. ‘ Hanover County David Via self 01 0 1 1 – [Mss. Torn] [?]id Via self 01 4 3 11 – not tithale Estate - [Mss. Torn] [A]bagal Via self 0 2 2 1 3 - not tithable [Mss. Torn] Littlebury Via self 0 0 0 2 4 - [Mss. Torn] Robert Via Jr. self 0 1 0 1 2 Robert Via Sr. self 0 2 4 2 3 William Via Edward Burnett 3/20 Nathan Barker, Wm. Barker, Minoah Lipscomb, Robt. Via Jr. 4/13 Nathan White, Mary Anderson, James Blackwell, Reuben Blackwell, Wm. Brame, Ann Burnett, Edward Burnett, John Burnett, James Carter, Richd. Dobson, Sam Earnest, Benjamine Goodman, Anthony Ingram, John Ingram, John Johnson, William Jones, Thos. Jordon, Abraham Kent, Wm. Lane, John Massie, Ann McDugal, Mary McDugal, Samuel McFall, Samuel Ragland, Robert Seldon, James Smith, Bartlotte Talley, Nat Turner, Wm. Via, Edmond Wade, Wm. Wade, Major Winfry 4/28 Joseph Turner, Lewis Turner, PhillWhite, Sarah Ingram, Robt. Via Sr., Clauduius Viall 5/?? John Slaughter, Turner Slaughter, David Via, [?] Estate Via, Abagal Via ??/?? Frances Barker, George Daviss, JamesDaviss, Nat. Daviss, Supre Daviss, Agness Sprotty, Ann Sydnor, Littlebury Via, Acra? Wade, John White,? Willis, Lucy Woody, Micajah Woody, Obediah Woody, Ruth Woods, Ciceley Woody

Sue/Allen Brazell <[email protected]> wrote:From: "Sue/Allen Brazell" To: Subject: VIA Family Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:58:40 -0600 My g-g-grandfather was RUFUS JOSIAS VIA who was born in Hanover Co VA. JOHN WILLIAM VIA was his son and was born 24 March 1843, born in Virginia (I think). This would probably make the birth date of Rufus Josias Via somewhere near 1800. JOHN WILLIAM VIA married CORRINE SISSON in Charlottesville, Green Co VA. I do not know what date, but their first child, Ernest Stanard Via was born in 1869 in Stanardsville, Greene Co VA. Do you have any of these names in your genealogy? I would be so grateful because I have hit a dead end with Rufus Josias Via and haven't been able to go back beyond him. Sue Sayle Via Brazell Anitsalagi Nanisulagogvni a/ Ewf n/{wqz/ (Cherokees Never Quit) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now