Hi Tom, John Vestal, Sr, b 30 Sept 1793 Chatham, NC d. 26 Aug 1874 Bedford, Indiana at age 81 of cancer, heart problems and cystitis, son of William and Mary WHEELER VESTAL m 22 Nov 1821 in Lawrence, Indiana, Elizabeth "Betsy" CROOKE HAMM, young widow of Joel HAMM (mother of two infants, Alfred and Sally Ann HAMM), b 30 April 1794 Madison, KY d. 1886 Bedford, Indiana, daughter of Maj. John CROOKE and Anne Doggett REEVES. John Crooke was a surveyor for Daniel Boone and company and laid out the city of Richmond, KY, and was the county surveyor for nearly 50 years retiring just a couple years before his death. (Information from the genealogy of the CROOKE family, DAR records, and various written and historical accounts, newspaper articles, etc.) John VESTAL Sr. did have a brother David VESTAL b 1797 Chatham, NC m Margaret Hodgin. He also had a brother William David VESTAL b 1795 Chatham, NC m Elizabeth Newby in Randolph County, NC. John VESTAL, Sr, son of Wiliam and Mary Wheeler VESTAL was NOT a twin. Information in my data base is from Eunice VESTAL, family bible records, autobiographical sketch, marriage records, the will of John VESTAL, Sr, Quaker records, from the newspaper article "John Vestal, Pioneer of the 1860s by Claude Parsons. Also, from the History of Lawrence and Monroe Counties, Indiana, Their People, Industries, and Institutions, 1914 B. F Bowern and Co, Inc, Indianaoplis, Indiana. and from the documents and records of various descendants from William VESTAL/ Mary WHEELER. I have no information on the NORTH family other than to have their names in the data base. I hope this helps :)) Peggy Hill Pegleghill@aol.com