Hello, I sent out to the list a combined marriage file I was working on. I have not received a copy back, and was wondering if anyone got it. It is large, so I don't know it that is the problem. Someone let me know if you get it, and whether it has been truncated or not. Barbara

Date: 98-10-29 13:40:59 EST From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hi all, I figured that it was about time that I posted my connection to the VESTAL family for the benefit of all on the list who dont know (and perhaps, for some who do). If you have any questions or would like to have information about living family, please email. :) All is documented. William Vestal m Alice Glover, daughter of George Glover and Alice Lambol of England :) William Vestal m Elizabeth Mercer Woodward, daughter of Thomas Mercer and Mary Greenaway, widow of Joseph Woodward. William and Elizabeth were the immigrants. Lived in PA and VA. William died there and Elizabeth and family removed to NC. Thomas Vestal m Elizabeth Davis, daughter of Charles Davis and Hannah Matson Both born in PA lived in VA and died in NC William Vestal m Mary Wheeler, dau of John Wheeler of Maryland and Sarah Haworth, daughter of Stephanas Haworth and Rachel Beeson. NC Children of Willam and Mary Wheeler Vestal: 1. Thomas Vestal m Mary Brower **2. John Vestal, Sr 3. William Vestal m Elizabeth Newby 4. David Vestal m Elizabeth Hodgin 5. Soloman Vestal m Esther Hodgin 6. Mary Vestal m Joab Hodgin 7. Alfred Vestal m Winnifred Staley 8. Zimri Vestal m Mary Brownfield. I would like further information on the descendanices of children 3 thru 8, if anyone has, please. **#2. John Vestal, Sr. b 30 Sept 1793 Chatham, NC d. 26 Aug 1874 Bedford, Indiana b Crown Hill, Indiana ---married 1st, 20 March 1816 Orange, NC, Elizabeth Fogelman b 4 April 1797 d 13 Jan 1860. They had one child, Simpson F. Vestal b 8 June 1860. John and Elizabeth were divorced. John wanted to go west and Elizabeth refused to leave 'civilization'. She remarried John Johnson in NC and had further family. ---married 2nd, 22 Nov 1821 Lawrence, Indiana, Elizabeth (Betsy) Crooke Hamm. Betsy b 30 April 1794 Madison, KY d. 18 Sept 1888 Bedford, Indiana, b Green Hill Cem, Bedford, Indiana, daughter of John Crooke and Ann Doggett Reeves. (Betsy was first married to Joel Hamm who died and left her with 2 young children, Alfred Hamm b 27 June 1812 d 18 Jan 1904, b Green Hill Cem, Indiana m 25 Dec 1838 Indiana Sarah A. Knight. Their child was Mary Amelia Hamm. The 2nd child of Joel HAMM and Betsy Crooke Hamm was Sally Ann Hamm m Silas Whitted.) The children of John Vestal and Betsy Crooke Hamm: 1. Paris Tillinghast Vestal b 2 March 1821 Bedford, Indiana d 21 March 1871 Bedford Indiana b Green Hill m 26 July 1842 Lawrence, Indiana Mary Emily D. Blackwell. (Further info available.) 2. Henrietta Vestal married Greenbury Owens 3. Virgil Vestal b 24 July 1824 Indiana married 7 Sept 1848 Maria Louisa Carlton, dau of Robert M and Lavinia Barlow Carlton. They had one child, Felicia Carlton Vestal (m William Lane) before his was killed in 1850. (Maria Carlton Vestal m 2nd James L. Houston. I have further info on this line.) 4. Caroline Vestal b 8 March 1826 Indiana 5. Felicia Vestal b 4 Jan 1828 Indiana 6. Mary Vestal b 16 Nov 1829 Indiana **7. John Vestal, Jr 8. William Vestal b 9 June 1833 9. Jared Vestal b 10 Sept 1834 10. Elizabeth Crooke Vestal m Noyes Ezekial Strout. (I have further info on this line) I would like further info on descendancies of #s 2,4,5,6,8, and 9, if anyone has please. **#7 John Vestal, Jr. b 9 Jan 1832 Bedford, Indiana d 13 Nov 1920 Indianapolis, Indiana buried Crown Hill, Indiana. married 1st, Eliza Ellen Baker b 2 March 1838 Vincennes, Indiana d. 25 Sept 1869 Bedford, Indiana, daughter of John Baker and Sarah Dillard (Delard?). Children of John and Ellen Baker Vestal: a. Fredrick Lawrence Vestal b 17 Jan 1861 Vincennes, Indiana d 22 June 1863, Vincennes, Indiana. ** b. Anna Richards Vestal c. Elinor Howard Vestal b 7 Aug 1865 Orleans, Indiana m Walter Parks Hanna d. Josephine Vestal b 19 Oct 1867 Orleans, Indiana d Nov 1942 Indianapolis, Indiana. "Aunt Josy" never married. **b. Anna Richards Vestal b 23 Sept 1862 Vincennes Indiana d 24 April 1917 Washington, DC., b Congressional Cemetery, Washington, DC. m John Henry von Herrmann b 28 Feb 1861 New York, New York d. 26 Jan 1922 Washington, DC, b Congressional Cemetery, Washington, DC, son of Charles John von Herrmann and Evaline Wappanhans, both born in Berlin, Brandenburg, Prussia. (After Anna Richards Vestal von Herrmann's death, John Henry m Rita Edwinetta Shroeder. John and Rita had no children.) Children of Anna Richards Vestal and John Henry von Herrmann: **a. Margaret Mortland von Herrmann b. Carl John von Herrmann b 23 Jan 1864 Washington, DC d 16 Nov 1897 Washington, DC. of diptheria, b Congressional Cemetery, Washington, DC. **a. Margaret Mortland von Herrmann b 20 June 1891 Washington, DC d 8 April 1963 Los Angeles, CA b Congressional Cemetery, Washinton, DC married 14 May 1914 Alexandria, VA John A. Ellis (birth name Lemuel Altemus Ellis) b 30 Oct 1885 Washington, DC d 11 Oct 1952 Los Angeles, CA., son of Dornin Ellis and Alice Lunn Altemus. These are my grandparents--further information available. Back to John Vestal, Jr. After the death of Eliza Ellen Baker, John married 8 Dec 1875 Indianapolis, Indiana, Eliza Jane Peay b 6 April 1843, New Albany, Indiana d 13 Aug 1927 Indianapolis, Indiana, daughter of Andrew Peay and Elizabeth Cobb. They had two children: a. John Wilfrid Vestal - descendancy available b. Allan Peay Vestal - descendancy available. This is Eunice Vestal's line. Hope this helps fill in a little more of the Vestal family for everyone. :) Peggy Hill [email protected]

Looking for a Priscilla Vestal born May 2, 1818 who married Thomas King. According to census she was born in NC but had moved to the Tallapoosa Co., AL area. I believe she had a relative who served in the 47th AL Infantry. The family also moved to Campbell Co., GA and then to Boone Co., MO. Sound familiar to anybody? Rene

No, I don't know who his parents are, that is the first record I have of him, his marriage to Rachel Dougan. I have seen so many William Vestals I didn't know which line he may come from. Jean

Hi cousins, I have some information about Thomas Curran Vestal and Obedience Williams. They and their children are on the 1840 and 1850 censuses of Jackson County, Missouri. Their son, Billy, married Sarah Hutchins in Jackson County. She is on the 1850 census there with her mother and siblings. Their daughter, Rebecca, did not marry Martin Howlet. She is on the 1840 Jackson County census with her parents but she died 8/18/1845. Their daughter, Elizabeth, did not marry George D. Long. She is not on the 1840 census because she died 4/3/1834 in North Carolina. I think that the Elizabeth who married George D. Long was the daughter of Solomon Vestal. I don't think that Thomas and Obedience's daughter, Sarah Ann married Charles Metcalf as she went to Missouri with her parents. There was not a son named Hobson Vestal. Hobson was part of the name of their son, Lemuel Hadley Hobson Vestal. That's all for now. Barbara Vestal Martin

I have seen the Dougan name before but do not know if anyone has connected it as yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [VESTAL-L] Vestal NC, MS, TX > No, I don't know who his parents are, that is the first record I have of him, > his marriage to Rachel Dougan. I have seen so many William Vestals I didn't > know which line he may come from. > Jean > > > ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, put unsubscribe in 1st line of body & subject, turn > automatic signatures off, & sent to: [email protected] for > reg. mail, and to [email protected] for digest mode. > >

Velma, Please send me your address, privately. I have a letter written by Molly, Mary Jane. to William and Rebecca Vestal. I can send you a copy. Andy McCloskey, Bellaire, Texas.

vanessa you could get farther with the vestals this has a lot done already [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: vansmith <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [VESTAL-L] Missouri Vestals > Hi! > I am actively researching the Jays from the Mary Vestal and William Jay > line who moved to North Carolina and South Carolina and Westward, but > not Northward. Don't know much about the Vestals yet..but will read your > correspondence with interest. I hope to finish my concentration with my > Jays in the near future and turn to other sides of my family like the > Vestals. > > Does anyone know where this name originated and if it has a meaning? I > never find this surname mentioned in surname books. > > Vanessa > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > Hi Wes, > > > > Thanks for the census link. I hope to get alot from it. > > > > I seem to have been really busy this past year but doing what I'm not quite > > sure. All of my genealogy was getting more and more unorganized and harder > > to deal with. Another of our cousins sent me a book about organizing > > genealogy "paper" so for the last 2 months I have been working on that. It > > has really helped me. It centers around 9x12 envelopes and 5x7 index cards > > and is all cross referenced. > > > > I am really interested in the Vestals and the Civil War and have index cards > > for 140+ Vestals who served during that war. I am going to put them all in a > > scrapbook along with any pictures, family info, etc. that I have about them. > > > > I am doing the census study because alot of the Missouri Vestals are not yet > > connected to the North Carolina Vestals even though I think that they should > > be. I have been making charts for all of the census records that I have from > > the years 1790 until 1840 when they only listed the name of the head of > > household. Figuring out who all of the nameless people are is the hard part. > > I am going back through my Quaker records first. Anyway, you can see why I > > need help collecting census records. I would go blind looking at all of that > > micro film myself. > > > > Anyway, did you ever connect your Vestals to North Carolina? > > > > What would we do without computers and the internet!! > > > > Gotta go, > > > > Hope to hear from you again soon, > > Barbara > > > > ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== > > Please post your Vestal lines! That new member just might be the link you're looking for! > > > ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== > Please Help Support Rootsweb! By becoming a member, your donation will continue to have this great surname e-mail list, and the new surname boards on a website at Rootsweb! Your donations are the only thing that keep them going! Just go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

PS , I forgot to list my migration . Surry/Yadkin County, NC Haven Reno County, KS. Portland Multnomah County, Oregon some of Obe's children went to LosAngles, CA. from Kansas

This is my Vestal line-- William Vestal 1 William Vestal 11 James Vestal m. (2) Phoebe Allen Jesse Vestal m. Martha Cassiday Martha Vestal (not married) Alexander Vestal m. Delanah Gross Michael Monroe Vestal and Isabel Finney (not married) Obe Vestal m. Luzena Swaim William Elmer Vestal m. Jessie Minnie Redsull Ethel Dolores Vestal m. Clifford Warren Streeter Donna Vestal Streeter m. Ronald Oscar Ertler (ME)

Hi, Here is my Vestal line, short as it is. Madison Thomas Vestal, born Feb 1852, Illinois m: Julie Lavina Green, born Sept 1864, Illinois Children are: 1. Olive T. Vestal, born Feb 1887, Kansas m: George Anderson and ? Carpenter 2. Charles T. Vestal, born Nov 1884, Kansas, died 1957 Kansas m: Verna ?, born abt. 1886, Illinois, died 1951, Kansas 3. Stella May Vestal, born Dec 18, 1890, Kansas, died Mar 25, 1987, Calif. m: Fred Robert Leiser, born June 7, 1887, Kansas, died Jult 15, 1970, Calif. 4. Cora A. Vestal, born Jan 1895, Kansas 5. Floyd R. Vestal, born Sept 1899, Kansas 6. Iva F. Vestal, born 1902, Kansas I hope this is a connection to someone. Wes Leiser Sunnyvale, California

Can Anyone connect this line? This is a whole other branch that I would like to add. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:58 AM Subject: [VESTAL-L] My Vestals > Hi, > Here is my Vestal line, short as it is. > > Madison Thomas Vestal, born Feb 1852, Illinois > m: Julie Lavina Green, born Sept 1864, Illinois > Children are: > 1. Olive T. Vestal, born Feb 1887, Kansas m: George Anderson > and ? Carpenter > 2. Charles T. Vestal, born Nov 1884, Kansas, died 1957 Kansas m: Verna > ?, > born abt. 1886, Illinois, died 1951, Kansas > 3. Stella May Vestal, born Dec 18, 1890, Kansas, died Mar 25, 1987, > Calif. m: > Fred Robert Leiser, born June 7, 1887, Kansas, died Jult 15, 1970, > Calif. > 4. Cora A. Vestal, born Jan 1895, Kansas > 5. Floyd R. Vestal, born Sept 1899, Kansas > 6. Iva F. Vestal, born 1902, Kansas > > I hope this is a connection to someone. > > Wes Leiser > Sunnyvale, California > > > ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, put unsubscribe in 1st line of body & subject, turn > automatic signatures off, & sent to: [email protected] for > reg. mail, and to [email protected] for digest mode. > >

I take it you do not know the parents of William? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: [VESTAL-L] Vestal NC, MS, TX > My direct line is: > > William Vestal b. abt. 1799 NC d. abt. 1891 Parker Co. TX > Married abt. 1846 to Rachel Dougan in TN. > William Dougan Vestal b. 14 Oct. 1827 DeSota Co. MS > Married 1st. Sarah Ann Hood 14 Sept. 1852 2nd. Susan Armstrong Steel > Mary Jane Vestal d/o Sarah Ann Hood b. 9 Aug. 1853 DeSota Co. MS d. 9 April > 1895 Parker County, TX > Mary Jane Vestal married John Nelson Baker 11 Jan 1874 Parker Co. TX > Sarah Francis Baker b. 13 Jan 1875 Parker Co. TX Married Robert Lee Houchin > 13 July 1893 Parker Co. TX > Lota M. (Lodie) Houchin b. 14 June 1904 Indian Territory (OK) > married William Thomas McCain 23 Oct. 1923 Paducah, TX > Velma Jean McCain b. 27 Nov. 1932 Brownfield, TX (Me) > . > > > ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== > Please Help Support Rootsweb! By becoming a member, your donation will continue to have this great surname e-mail list, and the new surname boards on a website at Rootsweb! Your donations are the only thing that keep them going! Just go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

My information came from Eunice Vestal, as some of you may know has been doing research for decades and has tons of information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Marianne Kepler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [VESTAL-L] Missouri Vestals > At 23:32 09/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >Marianne, > >I have a question for you about William Vestal "Billy" > >and his marriage to Elizabeth Piper. I have Elizabeth as being married to a > >Williamson Fowler Vestal who was born Jan. 1831 to David Vestal and Rebecca > >Evans. > > > >Do you think they could have married the same person, at different times or > >there is two different Elizabeth Pipers? What are you thoughts on this. > >Allen Vestal [email protected] > >> 1-William Vestal "Billy" > >> B-25 Nov 1822, Surry, NC > >> M-19 June 1857, Orange Co, NC > >> Spouse: Sarah A, Hutchens, Elizabeth Piper > ................................................ > > > Allen, Thanks for replying to my postings. The information above, about the > wife(s) of Wm. Vestal, I believe I rec'd from Diane Heryford about a year > ago. Wm. is her line. I am e-mailing her with this. We'll see what we can > come up with. > > Reguarding the additional child for this family, it seems very possible with > the dates involved. May I ask where your information on him came from? > > Marianne > > Wm Vestal B-1667 > Wm Vestal II B-1697 > Thomas Curran Vestal B-1724 > Thomas Curran Vestal II B-1764 > Thomas Curran Vestal III B-1801 > Amy Vestal B-1835 > +John Mahon Algeo B-1824 > > > > > <->-<->-<->-<->-<->->-<->->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<-> > Paul & Marianne Kepler > 15913 Mt. View Drive > Nevada City, CA 95959 > (530) 265-3666 > > > > ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== > Please Help Support Rootsweb! By becoming a member, your donation will continue to have this great surname e-mail list, and the new surname boards on a website at Rootsweb! Your donations are the only thing that keep them going! Just go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

Ramona, I have no documents that show JC's birth date. He died in Lawton, OK, in 1955/56. I'm guessing he was born somewhere around 1870, supposedly in Limestone County, TX. bob vestal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VESTAL-L] Here's what I know. Bob, Do you have an approximate year of birth for John Calhoun Vestal? Ramona Nichols ==== VESTAL Mailing List ==== Thank you for not sending any attachments, virus warnings, FCC, spams, or any other non-genealogy articles to the rootsweb lists. This helps to keep the rootsweb's equipment running smoothly, and not ruin their equipment.

I have a George Washington Vestal, b. 3/13/1850, son of Jesse Vestal & Mary Ann Holt. He married Laura Howe Weant 8/27/1870 in Edgar County, IL. He died 7/08/1921. Hope tha helps. Joyce

At 23:32 09/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Marianne, >I have a question for you about William Vestal "Billy" >and his marriage to Elizabeth Piper. I have Elizabeth as being married to a >Williamson Fowler Vestal who was born Jan. 1831 to David Vestal and Rebecca >Evans. > >Do you think they could have married the same person, at different times or >there is two different Elizabeth Pipers? What are you thoughts on this. >Allen Vestal [email protected] >> 1-William Vestal "Billy" >> B-25 Nov 1822, Surry, NC >> M-19 June 1857, Orange Co, NC >> Spouse: Sarah A, Hutchens, Elizabeth Piper ................................................ Allen, Thanks for replying to my postings. The information above, about the wife(s) of Wm. Vestal, I believe I rec'd from Diane Heryford about a year ago. Wm. is her line. I am e-mailing her with this. We'll see what we can come up with. Reguarding the additional child for this family, it seems very possible with the dates involved. May I ask where your information on him came from? Marianne Wm Vestal B-1667 Wm Vestal II B-1697 Thomas Curran Vestal B-1724 Thomas Curran Vestal II B-1764 Thomas Curran Vestal III B-1801 Amy Vestal B-1835 +John Mahon Algeo B-1824 > <->-<->-<->-<->-<->->-<->->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<-> Paul & Marianne Kepler 15913 Mt. View Drive Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 265-3666

If you would like an invitation to the William VESTAL Family pages.. please email me directly. This is a great page to share information and to get information quickly. Some people can't down load photos, but on this site, you can view them easily. I have pages for a lot of my families. I have found these pages to be an excellent source for family members. I hope you will feel the same way. hope to see you ALL on the site.. . Rhonda

Hi Vanessa, I'm Rhonda. I follow the JAY line off the VESTALS. I'd love to know Which JAY is yours. Did you see my other post? I had included all my lines. Maybe we can make a connection on these lines. hope to hear from you. Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: vansmith [mailto:[email protected]] Hi! I am actively researching the Jays from the Mary Vestal and William Jay line who moved to North Carolina and South Carolina and Westward, but not Northward. Don't know much about the Vestals yet..but will read your correspondence with interest. I hope to finish my concentration with my Jays in the near future and turn to other sides of my family like the Vestals. Does anyone know where this name originated and if it has a meaning? I never find this surname mentioned in surname books. Vanessa

My Direct line: 1- William Vestal 1667 Southampton, England - 1701 Brandywine, Chester Co., PA and Alice Glover (I need help with her lines) 2- William Vestall II 1696 Birmingham Twp., Chester County, Pennsylvania, USA - 1745 Frederick County, VA and Elizabeth Mercer 3- Mary Vestal 1725/7 Chester Co., PA - 1818 New Burlington, Fulton County, Ohio and William JAY This is where I follow the JAY line John JAY 26 Oct 1752 Bush River, Newberry, South Carolina - 23 April 1829 Mill Creek, Miami Co., Ohio, USA and Elizabeth Betty PUGH. My JAY line follows: ENG> MA>MD>SC>OH>IN>IA>OK Last names married into the direct lines: Jay/Mooney Jay/Davis Jay/Wareham Jay/Brooks Jay/Pugh Jay/VESTAL VESTAL/Mercer VESTAL/GLOVER VESTALL I'd love to chat with anyone that connects with any of these lines. Rhonda [email protected]