This is my great great grandmother's Father's line, nothing futher back than Jocko Rivers Harriet Descendants of Jocko Rivers     Generation No. 1   1.  JOCKO1RIVERSwas born Abt. 1803 in Canada.  He married MARYN.EVERLET.  She was born Abt. 1810 in Canada.         Children of JOCKORIVERSand MARYEVERLETare:                    i.    JOSEPH2RIVERS, b. 1828, Canada.                   ii.    DELINRIVERS, b. 1834, Canada.                  iii.    JOCKORIVERS, b. 1836, Canada.                  iv.    ANTOINERIVERS, b. 1838, Canada; m. CATHERINE. 2.               v.    VICTORIARIVERS, b. 05 Aug 1842, Enosburg, VT, USA; d. 21 Jan 1906, Enosburg, VT, USA. 3.              vi.    NANCYRIVERS, b. 28 Aug 1844, Canada; d. 04 Apr 1915, Whitefield, Coos, NH, USA.                 vii.    PASCHALRIVERS, b. Abt. 1859.     Generation No. 2   2.  VICTORIA2RIVERS(JOCKO1)was born 05 Aug 1842 in Enosburg, VT, USA, and died 21 Jan 1906 in Enosburg, VT, USA.  She married CHARLESWESCOM12 Aug 1860 in Lamoille County, Belvidere, Vermont by:  William S. Rublu, son of FRANCOISWESCOMand ROZILLACRUTCHER.  He was born Sep 1842 in Sutton, PQ, Canada, and died 1919.   More About CHARLESWESCOMand VICTORIARIVERS: Marriage: 12 Aug 1860, Lamoille County, Belvidere, Vermont by:  William S. Rublu         Children of VICTORIARIVERSand CHARLESWESCOMare: 4.                i.    BARNARDE.3WESCOM, b. 22 Sep 1860, VT, USA; d. Aft. 1930. 5.               ii.    ABBIEANNWESCOM, b. 03 Feb 1861, Eden, VT, USA; d. 03 Dec 1937, Jeffersonville, VT, USA. 6.              iii.    FLORABELLEWESCOM, b. 04 Feb 1865, Eden, Vermont; d. 10 Jun 1905, Lamoille County, Eden, Vermont.     3.  NANCY2RIVERS(JOCKO1)was born 28 Aug 1844 in Canada, and died 04 Apr 1915 in Whitefield, Coos, NH, USA.  She married HENRYWESCOM13 Mar 1859 in Enosberg or Montgomery,  VT, son of FRANCOISWESCOMand ROZILLACRUTCHER.  He was born 22 Apr 1838 in Richford, VT, USA, and died 04 Feb 1909 in Henniker, NH, USA.

Hi Deb I had a suggestion from a friend that you go to the Glamorgan list and ask there. Apparently there are a number who will do translating. Betty Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Benigni" <missmysterychix@yahoo.com> To: <vermont@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: [VERMONT] help translating a list of items in Welsh Am wondering if anyone out there reads enough Welsh to help translate a document. Basically some family members recently found a hand-written document that looks to be two separate list of names and birth dates. The document isn't in the best shape, but we've got it scanned for archival purposes and I am hoping to find someone who can help me figure out the Welsh text. E-mail me off-line if you think you can help and I'll be happy to forward you the photo of the document. deb ************************************************* List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/VermontWelcome.html Visit the Gateway to Vermont Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VERMONT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Vermont Phoenix, Brattleboro, Friday , January 16, 1891 Springfield news A. WOOLSON, a leading and respected citizen, and president of the First National bank, died Sunday in his 80th year after a long illness. His funeral, held on Wednesday, was largely attended. At the national bank meeting held on Wednesday, C. E. RICHARDSON was chosen president in place of Mr. WOOLSON, and R. M. COLBURN was elected to the vacant place in the board of directors. There was a large audience to hear Capt. CHILDS's address on the postal service, given at Grand Army hall on Wednesday evening, and he received a cordial reception from our people. The Clee club furnished music. The permanent organization of the free reading room was effected on Monday night. The rooms have been very neatly fitted up, and here may be found the Boston and New York daily papers and the leading magazines and weeklies of the country. A sleigh-ride was enjoyed by the first Grammar school last Saturday. Transcribed by Ruth Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

The Vermont Phoenix, Brattleboro, Friday , January 16, 1891 Saxtons River news Academy Notes Robarts HARPER delivered a fine lecture on Italy Monday evening. The various views with which the lecture was illustrated were fine, and the lecture was one of the best ever given at the academy. The Sunday school met in the chapel last Sunday, and listened to a talk on the lesson by the Baptist pastor. The pupils enjoyed a very pleasant social Saturday, the 10th. Transcribed by Ruth Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

The Vermont Phoenix, Brattleboro, Friday , January 16, 1891 Guilford news Maurice FITZGERALD of Bridgeport, Conn., was in town the past week, and has bargained the house and land belonging to his father to Joel FLAGG, jr. Nearly all teh men of the village were summoned to Brattleboro to court on Monday and Tuesday of this week as witnesses in the grist-mill law suit between Herbert RICHMOND and Jesse SQUIRES. Henry BURNHAM has leased a hotel in Deerfield, Mass. John GALE is teaching school in the Andrews district. Transcribed by Ruth Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

The Vermont Phoenix, Brattleboro, Friday , January 16, 1891 Guilford Centre There will be a dance at the town hall Wednesday evening, Jan. 21, with A. H. HINES as prompter. An oyster supper will be served in the ladies' rooms. All are cordially invited. Transcribed by Ruth Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

The Vermont Phoenix, Brattleboro, Friday , January 16, 1891 Cambridgeport News Geo. EAGER went last week to New York to spend the winter with his brother. Jennie HARWOOD is visiting at home. The soapstone mill has not been running much lately owing to the want of water. The rain Sunday and Monday raised the river so the ice crashed into the bridge at the west end of the village, taking it off Monday forenoon. it is very unfortunate for the teamsters and traveling public, as it was on the main road to Bellows Falls from Athens, Grafton and Townshend. Transcribed by Ruth Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

The Vermont Phoenix, Brattleboro, Friday , January 16, 1891 Dummerston news The members of the circulating and the agricultural library have been notified to meet at the shop of the late Winslow DUTTON on Monday, January 19, at 7 o'clock P. M. for the purpose of uniting the two libraries into one and choosing the necessary officers. Volume five of the Vermont Historical Gazetteer, or magazine, containing the history of the towns of Windham county, will be published as soon as the necessary revision of the pamphlet histories of the towns already printed can be made and portions reprinted. The history of Dummerston receives the following commendation from Chicago by a resident of that city who has read the printed sheets of the forth-coming history of the county: "Don't expect that all the towns of Windham county will be as well written up as Dummerston; if you do you will be sadly disappointed." Copies of the town edition are still in demand, and a copy was sent recently to a lady living in the central part of New York. Donors of portraits for the town history can have the chance to furnish portraits for the county volume. The Christian Endeavor society will have a social in the vestry of the Congregational church Tuesday evening, January 27, to which all are cordially invited. Transcribed by Ruth Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

> > Today's Topics: > > 1. Obit of Viola Norton (Harriet Cady) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:14:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Harriet Cady <kd4318@yahoo.com> > Subject: [VERMONT] Obit of Viola Norton > To: vermont@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <89736.70892.qm@web84305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I was called and told of my cousin's death at MT Ascutney hospital in Vermont.? I just found this cousin last fall and found out she was on dialysis.? She had diabetes and so I talked with her and asked about maybe meeting when weather allowed.? I wondered if anyone is near Springfield and if they saw the obit, she died Feb. 6 would they cut it out and send.? If there is a web site for newspapers in area maybe it will be in paper.? Her funeral is at Methodist Church, Proctorsville Sat. Feb 21 at 11 AM.? I just don't think I can make the 100 mile trip over and then beck tomorrow. > Harriet .qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> To locate obituaries, go to the website www.legacy.com, and enter her name. Viola's obituary appeared in the Rutland Herald on February 11. The site contains some obituaries as far back as the 1930's. Shelley

Am wondering if anyone out there reads enough Welsh to help translate a document.  Basically some family members recently found a hand-written document that looks to be two separate list of names and birth dates.  The document isn't in the best shape, but we've got it scanned for archival purposes and I am hoping to find someone who can help me figure out the Welsh text. E-mail me off-line if you think you can help and I'll be happy to forward you the photo of the document. deb

Harriet, Below is Viola's obit. Legacy.com is a great source for RECENT newspaper obits.  They don't have all newspapers, but I have had good luck on this site.  Sometimes you can find archived obits (old), but there is a small fee to view them. For obits (from Vermont) that are very old, it is much better to contact the Vermont Dept. of Libraries to search for them for you, as long as you can give them enough information, such as exact date of death, and where their last residence was, so they know when and what newspaper(s) to search in. Hope this helps : ) Viola E. Norton           LUDLOW - Viola E. Norton, 71, died Feb. 6, 2009, at Mount Ascutney Hospital. She was born Jan. 4, 1938, in Waterville, the daughter of Melburn and Jean (Martin) Quinn. She attended school in Walpole and Alstead, N.H. On March 13, 1954, she married Arnold Norton Sr. of Cavendish. Mrs. Norton worked for Mack Molding for 14 years. She enjoyed pony pulling and flowers. Survivors include two sons, Arnold Norton Jr. of Proctorsville and Gary Norton of Mount Holly; three daughters, Eleanor Ellison of Ludlow, Candy Davis of North Springfield and Shirley Vagts of Tennessee; four sisters, Jeannette Skorupski of Minnesota, Carolyn Smith of Springfield, Mass., Katherine Hogan, Jeanann Lariviere, both of Massachusetts; 17 grandchildren, 20 great-grandchildren; and her companion, Ralph Barnes of Springfield. She was predeceased by her husband; three brothers, William Pimintal, Melburn and James Quinn. The memorial service will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday, Feb. 21, at the Methodist Church in Proctorsville with Pastor White officiating. Burial will be at a later date in Proctorsville Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Hospice of Vermont and New Hampshire. View the guest book at www.rutlandherald.com/ obits. http://www.legacy.com/RutlandHerald/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&ersonId=124001211 ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------------------------- 1. Obit of Viola Norton (Harriet Cady) Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Harriet Cady <kd4318@yahoo.com> Subject: [VERMONT] Obit of Viola Norton To: vermont@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <89736.70892.qm@web84305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was called and told of my cousin's death at MT Ascutney hospital in Vermont.? I just found this cousin last fall and found out she was on dialysis.? She had diabetes and so I talked with her and asked about maybe meeting when weather allowed.? I wondered if anyone is near Springfield and if they saw the obit, she died Feb. 6 would they cut it out and send.? If there is a web site for newspapers in area maybe it will be in paper.? Her funeral is at Methodist Church, Proctorsville Sat. Feb 21 at 11 AM.? I just don't think I can make the 100 mile trip over and then beck tomorrow. Harriet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pbausman Surnames: Hopkins Martindale Barron Barnes Barns Classification: military Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.vermont.unknown/4949/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm trying to find info. on Capt. Elisha Hopkins's Co., Col. Martindale's Regt., Vermont Detached Militia. The man I am researching (Leonard Barron or Barnes or Barns) served in this unit between 17 Sept-30 Nov. 1812. What I would really like to know is which town, county, area, the troops mostly came from. Thanks, Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hoping to clarify information on Frank O.Brock born 1869 in Sutton, Brome Co., PQ the son of Ebenezer Brock and Hannah Bedell.   Frank Brock living Troy, Vermont in 1910 census, wife Melissa and son Harold A. Brock b.1897. Also living with them is daughter Nora b.1890 and her husband Charles Barnes.   Can't find any of them after 1910...would like to find name of Frank Brock's wife and any children for Nora and son Harold. Where did they all end up?   Thanks Janice

I'd guess it's because they don't have a waiting period after you apply for a license. You can get married on the same day. That is the way it is now, so it probably was the same back then. Perhaps NH had no waiting period back then either. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackbowk@aol.com> > Betty, > > Hope you learn why an elopement to VT was attractive back then. My > grandparents eloped to NH in 1900 and I've never learned why as they both > were over > 21. > > Bellows Falls, VT, is not far above the MA border, on the CT River and > definitely is in southern VT. White River Junction is pretty far up, > albeit south > of Burlington and Montpelier. It is at the junction of the White River > and > the CT River. It became a significant rail junction and, although a > small > community, all trains stopped there. WRJ is pretty much opposite, > Hanover, NH, > and was the RR station for Dartmouth College. > > Perhaps a Vermonter will tell us whether it is considered to be in > northern > VT. > > Jack

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DeborahBlood97 Surnames: Preville's Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.vermont.unknown/2660.4.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Bonnie I would love to know any info that you might have. I had to put all of my info into this computer. So I'm doing the family tree again. Su wrote to you, that's great. My relation is Henry brother Frank and Anna. My dad was born in Vermont moved to Albany after the 1930's. That were I grow up. My parents then moved to Coeyman's NY. That is were I met and Married my husband. We moved to Stratford NY 24 years ago. I would love any pictures of the family. I got some from Su. If you like to know anything about this end of the Preville's, just let me know. Debbie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Harriet, Check the websites for newspapers such as: www.rutlandherald.com/obits www.timesargus.com/obits www.valleynews.com/obits Then you could search by name, or by date... or do a range of dates, it might bring up the picture and obit. Bill Rotax Syracuse, NY -----Original Message----- From: Harriet Cady <kd4318@yahoo.com> To: vermont@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 8:14 am Subject: [VERMONT] Obit of Viola Norton I was called and told of my cousin's death at MT Ascutney hospital in Vermont.? I just found this cousin last fall and found out she was on dialysis.? She had diabetes and so I talked with her and asked about maybe meeting when weather allowed.? I wondered if anyone is near Springfield and if they saw the obit, she died Feb. 6 would they cut it out and send.? If there is a web site for newspapers in area maybe it will be in paper.? Her funeral is at Methodist Church, Proctorsville Sat. Feb 21 at 11 AM.? I just don't think I can make the 100 mile trip over and then beck tomorrow. Harriet ************************************************* List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/VermontWelcome.html Visit the Gateway to Vermont Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VERMONT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I first read this thread, I was immediately reminded of the old Mount Washington Hotel - built around early 1900s (?) by rail tycoon Stickney. Now called Breton Woods, I believe. There is something about warm springs (?)  I have a recollection of learning this tidbit from some school project on the famous and not-so-famous visiting places where the trains brought them. Bellows Falls was very popular - home to Hetty Green - as was Charlestown NH (the Connecticut River separates). There were several inns in Charlestown and elaborate steps cut into the river banks.  Don't know if this is helpful, but one never knows! I, for one, have found info I never even thought I was looking for by reading EVERYTHING! --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Betty <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> wrote: From: Betty <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [VERMONT] Bellows Falls/White River Junction To: vermont@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:38 AM Hi Jack, When I mentioned this a couple years ago, I was told that it would have been fairly easy to get on a train in Boston, MA, and head up to White River Junction, VT. But, now that I have been reminded of Bellows Falls, I'll have to think about this more. If my imagination is working this morning, I could think of a few reasons to "elope" to another state. A vacation which turns into a marriage. A relative in another state and they went to visit him or her. A place they always wanted to visit. (Niagara Falls, for instance) (The White Mountains, for instance.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) (I'm still trying to figure out why my great-grandfather in Stoneham, MA, wanted to spend the last months of his life in Center Sandwich, NH. This was 1923 and he was a "newspaperman." And, he and his wife were from Liverpool, England, and didn't have relatives in New England. He is buried there. His children started visiting that town after his passing, and living there. Did he go there on a business trip? Did he need "paper supplies" for his newspaper business? Etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackbowk@aol.com> To: <vermont@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: [VERMONT] Bellows Falls/White River Junction > Betty, > > Hope you learn why an elopement to VT was attractive back then. My > grandparents eloped to NH in 1900 and I've never learned why as they both > were over > 21. > > Bellows Falls, VT, is not far above the MA border, on the CT River and > definitely is in southern VT. White River Junction is pretty far up, > albeit south > of Burlington and Montpelier. It is at the junction of the White River > and > the CT River. It became a significant rail junction and, although a > small > community, all trains stopped there. WRJ is pretty much opposite, > Hanover, NH, > and was the RR station for Dartmouth College. > > Perhaps a Vermonter will tell us whether it is considered to be in > northern > VT. > > Jack > > ************************************************* List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/VermontWelcome.html Visit the Gateway to Vermont Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VERMONT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jack, When I mentioned this a couple years ago, I was told that it would have been fairly easy to get on a train in Boston, MA, and head up to White River Junction, VT. But, now that I have been reminded of Bellows Falls, I'll have to think about this more. If my imagination is working this morning, I could think of a few reasons to "elope" to another state. A vacation which turns into a marriage. A relative in another state and they went to visit him or her. A place they always wanted to visit. (Niagara Falls, for instance) (The White Mountains, for instance.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) (I'm still trying to figure out why my great-grandfather in Stoneham, MA, wanted to spend the last months of his life in Center Sandwich, NH. This was 1923 and he was a "newspaperman." And, he and his wife were from Liverpool, England, and didn't have relatives in New England. He is buried there. His children started visiting that town after his passing, and living there. Did he go there on a business trip? Did he need "paper supplies" for his newspaper business? Etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackbowk@aol.com> To: <vermont@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: [VERMONT] Bellows Falls/White River Junction > Betty, > > Hope you learn why an elopement to VT was attractive back then. My > grandparents eloped to NH in 1900 and I've never learned why as they both > were over > 21. > > Bellows Falls, VT, is not far above the MA border, on the CT River and > definitely is in southern VT. White River Junction is pretty far up, > albeit south > of Burlington and Montpelier. It is at the junction of the White River > and > the CT River. It became a significant rail junction and, although a > small > community, all trains stopped there. WRJ is pretty much opposite, > Hanover, NH, > and was the RR station for Dartmouth College. > > Perhaps a Vermonter will tell us whether it is considered to be in > northern > VT. > > Jack > >

I was called and told of my cousin's death at MT Ascutney hospital in Vermont.  I just found this cousin last fall and found out she was on dialysis.  She had diabetes and so I talked with her and asked about maybe meeting when weather allowed.  I wondered if anyone is near Springfield and if they saw the obit, she died Feb. 6 would they cut it out and send.  If there is a web site for newspapers in area maybe it will be in paper.  Her funeral is at Methodist Church, Proctorsville Sat. Feb 21 at 11 AM.  I just don't think I can make the 100 mile trip over and then beck tomorrow. Harriet

This was from a kind and helpful person on the Quebec list.  I would like to join the Lamoille list also can someone send me the address. Thanks Harriet Hi Harriet- Those dates came from the 1900 census which lists month and year of birth. I was actually surprised that their ages stayed so consistent. That isn't usually the case with 50 years of census records, but they always show ages that make them born about 1861.  In 1880 they were living in Eden, Lamoille County, VT In 1900 they were living in Lowell, Orleans County, VT In 1910 they were living in Albany, Orleans County, VT In 1920 they were living in Albany, Orleans County, VT In 1930 they were living in Albany, Orleans County, VT If you aren't in Vermont, have you tried RAOGK - Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness? There are a couple volunteers in Vermont who might be able to help you. And, maybe it will just take another set of eyes looking at the same record. http://www.raogk.org/ Note also that Ancestry has records of both Alice and Mitchell in the American Genealogical-Biographical Index. I think this might be available at NEGH Library, among other places. Maybe someone can check that for you. Have you seen this posting and contacted the descendant of Irene Shatney? I don't know their parents names, unless that is Alice in 1870 with her father, Orrison Miles in  Hardwick, VT. If so, his wife's name in the 1860 census was Alma. And, there is a Shatney message board on Rootsweb and one woman seems to know a lot about this couple, including the names of Mitchell's father and grandfather: http://boards.ancestry.myfamily.com/surnames.shatney/32/mb.ashx Hope one of these tips will help. Bridget On Feb 19, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Harriet Cady wrote: Bridget Where did you find their birth dates?  Do you also have their place of birth?  Does it list their parents names? I have searched VT Vital Records several times and never found their dates of birth. Harriet ________________________________ From: Bridget Kopetzky <bri.kop@verizon.net> To: quebec-research@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:18:48 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Marriage--Alice Miles to Mitchell Shatney about 1875 Harriet- I found some information that might help narrow down the date and   place of marriage. According to the 1900 census this couple married about 1879, as they   had been married 21 years. Mitchell was born June 1861 in Canada,   Alice March 1861 in Vermont. Then in the 1930 census it says they were   married at the age of 18 (Mitchell) and 19 (Alice). If accurate, that   actually narrows the date of marriage to being before Mitchell's 19th   birthday in June 1880, but after Alice's 19th birthday in March 1880.   To add to that information, their first son Clarence was born in May   1880, according to the 1880 census. At the time of that census,   Mitchell was still 18 and Alice was 19. According to the 1920 census, Mitchell was not naturalized and he   immigrated in 1870. So, it seems possible that the marriage would have   been in Vermont. I did not find Mitchel Shatney in the 1870 census in   the U.S., though. Note also that in two of the later censuses Mitchell was said to have   been born in Vermont. In the 1870 census there was a 9 year old Alice Miles living in   Hardwick, VT in a family headed by Orrison Miles. Bridget ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- End forwarded message -----