Hello Rhonda, Ron (and all others,) I find these postings quite intriguing. I too have a John Hay(s)(es) in my ancestry who also was living in the Pound,VA area. My g-g-grandmother was Sarah "Sally" Hays who married John Phillips. Her father was John Hay. I've gone over the 1840 & 1850 Russell County and 1860 Wise County Census records, and they show he was married to a lady named Celia (Senal (?) on the 1860 one.) They had 3 children; Sarah "Sally", Ambrose and [another] John. On the 1860 Wise County Census, my g-g-g-grandparents, "John and Senal Hay" were living next door to my g-g-grandparents, John and Sarah "Sally" Phillips in Pound. On the 1870 Wise County Census, my g-g-g-grandparents, are not listed. So the "Jonathan Hayes" you found the headstone for, could possibly be an ancestor of mine too. :-) Oh and one last thing, there are members of my family still residing in the Flat Gap area as well. Looking forward to finding out who gets to claim this one. :-) Many thanks to you and Nancy for locating and sharing this finding. Still stumped in my family tree, Misty D. Hodges dm_hodges@planttel.net P.S. There is a Bollings or two found amongst my family lines also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greetings to all" <semperfi@willapabay.org> To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > Hi there, > > So you are thinking that the headstones would belong to a grandfather > Jonathan Hayes and not the father John Hayes , father to civil war > Jonathan Hayes. I had not thought about there being 3 John Hayes/Hays in a > row . The only spouce I know for certain is as I mentioned, Melvina Short. > also shown as Vina , Vinie etc. > > She is buried at one of the Bolling graveyards. Beside her are some of her > grandchildren. She died at about age 35 or 38, very young. George WA. > Bolling married again . > > my connection would be as follows. > > Ron Black Sr. - myself > Shirley Holbrook - Mother > Norma Sturgill of Flatgap - grandmother > Mary Standifer - Gordon Sturgill / flatgap - g grandparents > Mary Elizabeth Hayes - d/o Civil WarJonanthan /married Frank Standifer- > gg grandparents > Melvina Short d/o Daniel H. Short - Jonathan Hayes s/o John Hays > ggg grandparents. 2nd husb. George Wa. Bolling > > the two daughters of Melvina and Jonathan - Mary Elizabeth Hayes also known > as Mary E. C. Hayes and Martha Hayes . Martha raised as a Bolling, she > married Joseph Wiley Adams, all from around Flat Gap , Wise county Va. > > Hope this info helps some, glad to help all I can. > > cousin Ron , in WA. state > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rhonda Robertson" <rsr@mounet.com> > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:24 AM > Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > Ron, > > > > I'm not sure, but I believe this Jonathan Hayes is the grandfather of > > Jonathan who married Melvina Short and fought in the Civil War. He was > born > > in 1777 and died in 1865. Is John Hayes the father of Jonathan (Civil > War) > > and son of Jonathan (1777)? If so, can you tell me who John Hayes > married? > > Did Jonathan Hayes marry a Bolling, he certainly settled amidst the > Bollings > > at Flat Gap? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greetings to all" <semperfi@willapabay.org> > > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > > > > Hi Rhonda, > > > > > > I am not sure which Jonathan Hayes it might be as there were probably > many > > > from various families, if you find out for certain let me know as I have > > the > > > following two Johnathan Hayes grandparent ancestors from that era living > > in > > > and around wise county. We know little about them as far as family > > history > > > or dates. We spell it both ways Hayes and Hays. The eldest of the two > > > (the father Jonathan Hayes Sr.) would probably fit that time period.. I > > know > > > nothing about him except he had a son also named Jonathan Hayes who > > married > > > Melvina Short d/o Daniel Short. > > > I believe on a Wise county marriage license it list the Senior Jonathan > > > Hayes was a wittness when his son Jonathan married Melvina / Vina Short > > in > > > Wise county. It does not say anything more about him. I do believe > the > > > Junior Johnathan Hayes was taken POW duiring the civil war, around 1861 > > and > > > we believe he was then taken to Camp Douglas IL. where he died. > > > > > > We are egar to find any of them, family history or even the headstones. > > Most > > > of my ancestors would have come out of the Flat Gap Area of Pound. > > > > > > > > > Ron Black - Washington State > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rhonda Robertson" <rsr@mounet.com> > > > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:36 PM > > > Subject: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > > > > > > > Today, Nancy Brown and I were digitalizing cemeteries in and around > > Pound > > > and found a tombstone for Jonathan Hayes underneath an old smokehouse in > > the > > > Flat Gap section of Pound. > > > > > > > > Jonathan Hayes was born 1777 and died in 1865. A photo of the stone > is > > > being sent to the shadybanks website and will be posted. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any information on this Jonathan Hayes? > > > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > >

this is great ! that finally the Hayes / Hays family line of Wise county is being discussed here on the list. I have waited a long time for this. Yes there were other John Hayes/Hays but I think if we consider the dates we are talking about , there probably were not many at that point , and mostly related I would guess. Misty, thank you for the added information on Russell county, My family group of Hayes were living around Russell county, it seems that the reason as I know it that John Sr. decided to move to Wise county was when Jonathan and Melvina married , grandpa Daniel H. Short may have played a roll in keeping the family there, also the Short and Bollins have had close family ties for generations so it is not surprising to find this Jonathan Hayes among the Bolling family . Also since Melvina was living in Wise county at the time of the war, and Jonathan had not come home, that may have been the biggest motivation for John Sr. to live in Wise county. Also, if this Jonathan Hayes is a relative of Jonathan Jr. and Melvina, he only lived a few years after their marriage and died the same year we believe Jonathan Jr. did as a POW. 1865 I would like to note, that at least in my family , the spelling of this name has shown up most always as Hayes, espcially in more recent times, but we do know that the old John spelled it Hay/Hays To everyone else, reading along as this story unfolds, I hope you don't mind the exchange of information to the list. thanks to everyone who shares. I usually don't post messages , mostly just read them so not sure what is appropriate. My Mountain Heritage http://www.willapabay.org/~semperfi ----- Original Message ----- From: "DMHodges" <dm_hodges@planttel.net> To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > Hello Rhonda, Ron (and all others,) > > I find these postings quite intriguing. I too have a John Hay(s)(es) in > my ancestry who also was living in the Pound,VA area. > My g-g-grandmother was Sarah "Sally" Hays who married John Phillips. Her > father was John Hay. > > I've gone over the 1840 & 1850 Russell County and 1860 Wise County Census > records, and they show he was married to a lady named Celia (Senal (?) on > the 1860 one.) They had 3 children; Sarah "Sally", Ambrose and [another] > John. > > On the 1860 Wise County Census, my g-g-g-grandparents, "John and Senal > Hay" were living next door to my g-g-grandparents, John and Sarah "Sally" > Phillips in Pound. > On the 1870 Wise County Census, my g-g-g-grandparents, are not listed. > > So the "Jonathan Hayes" you found the headstone for, could possibly be an > ancestor of mine > too. :-) > > Oh and one last thing, there are members of my family still residing in > the Flat Gap area as well. > > Looking forward to finding out who gets to claim this one. :-) > > Many thanks to you and Nancy for locating and sharing this finding. > > Still stumped in my family tree, > Misty D. Hodges > dm_hodges@planttel.net > > P.S. There is a Bollings or two found amongst my family lines also. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greetings to all" <semperfi@willapabay.org> > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > Hi there, > > > > So you are thinking that the headstones would belong to a grandfather > > Jonathan Hayes and not the father John Hayes , father to civil war > > Jonathan Hayes. I had not thought about there being 3 John Hayes/Hays in > a > > row . The only spouce I know for certain is as I mentioned, Melvina Short. > > also shown as Vina , Vinie etc. > > > > She is buried at one of the Bolling graveyards. Beside her are some of > her > > grandchildren. She died at about age 35 or 38, very young. George WA. > > Bolling married again . > > > > my connection would be as follows. > > > > Ron Black Sr. - myself > > Shirley Holbrook - Mother > > Norma Sturgill of Flatgap - grandmother > > Mary Standifer - Gordon Sturgill / flatgap - g grandparents > > Mary Elizabeth Hayes - d/o Civil WarJonanthan /married Frank Standifer- > > gg grandparents > > Melvina Short d/o Daniel H. Short - Jonathan Hayes s/o John Hays > > ggg grandparents. 2nd husb. George Wa. Bolling > > > > the two daughters of Melvina and Jonathan - Mary Elizabeth Hayes also > known > > as Mary E. C. Hayes and Martha Hayes . Martha raised as a Bolling, she > > married Joseph Wiley Adams, all from around Flat Gap , Wise county Va. > > > > Hope this info helps some, glad to help all I can. > > > > cousin Ron , in WA. state > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rhonda Robertson" <rsr@mounet.com> > > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > I'm not sure, but I believe this Jonathan Hayes is the grandfather of > > > Jonathan who married Melvina Short and fought in the Civil War. He was > > born > > > in 1777 and died in 1865. Is John Hayes the father of Jonathan (Civil > > War) > > > and son of Jonathan (1777)? If so, can you tell me who John Hayes > > married? > > > Did Jonathan Hayes marry a Bolling, he certainly settled amidst the > > Bollings > > > at Flat Gap? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Greetings to all" <semperfi@willapabay.org> > > > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rhonda, > > > > > > > > I am not sure which Jonathan Hayes it might be as there were probably > > many > > > > from various families, if you find out for certain let me know as I > have > > > the > > > > following two Johnathan Hayes grandparent ancestors from that era > living > > > in > > > > and around wise county. We know little about them as far as family > > > history > > > > or dates. We spell it both ways Hayes and Hays. The eldest of the > two > > > > (the father Jonathan Hayes Sr.) would probably fit that time period.. > I > > > know > > > > nothing about him except he had a son also named Jonathan Hayes who > > > married > > > > Melvina Short d/o Daniel Short. > > > > I believe on a Wise county marriage license it list the Senior > Jonathan > > > > Hayes was a wittness when his son Jonathan married Melvina / Vina > Short > > > in > > > > Wise county. It does not say anything more about him. I do believe > > the > > > > Junior Johnathan Hayes was taken POW duiring the civil war, around > 1861 > > > and > > > > we believe he was then taken to Camp Douglas IL. where he died. > > > > > > > > We are egar to find any of them, family history or even the > headstones. > > > Most > > > > of my ancestors would have come out of the Flat Gap Area of Pound. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Black - Washington State > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Rhonda Robertson" <rsr@mounet.com> > > > > To: <VAWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:36 PM > > > > Subject: [VAWISE] Jonathan Hayes > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today, Nancy Brown and I were digitalizing cemeteries in and around > > > Pound > > > > and found a tombstone for Jonathan Hayes underneath an old smokehouse > in > > > the > > > > Flat Gap section of Pound. > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Hayes was born 1777 and died in 1865. A photo of the stone > > is > > > > being sent to the shadybanks website and will be posted. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any information on this Jonathan Hayes? > > > > > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > >