SHAME!!shame!! I am not ashamed and never will be ashamed of were I was born and raised and never will be ashamed of my background or roots. I am not from sw-va but just a few miles from pound va a little town called wheelwriht Ky. but both my parents being from the Appalachia va area.and all my aunts and uncles and cousins. neither side of my family were rich or had great amounts of land. they were simple people but proud people hard working coal miners and loggers but not rich. I now live in middle TN a town called Cookeville. But I am proud to tell people were I am from and were my parents are from. Just remember that the people from the sw-va and Eastern Ky area are the backbone of this great nation of ours . I love this site. but I must admit that the one thing that gets under my skin the most is people putting my part of the country down. that is my home and I will take up for it and my people there at all cost. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Griffith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: [VAWISE-L] ref white trash >My father was born in Appalachia, Wise County, Va. and told my mother he >was born in Bristol. He told my step mother he was born in Richmond. She >had a copy of his birth certificate which plainly gave the residence of >the parents and doctor as Wise County. I guess she just didn't look >close enough. He had a huge ego and I am sure, once he got away from >there and into the world, that he was ashamed to tell people where he >was from. > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield > >

--WebTV-Mail-1200691984-775 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Paul, My mother was born in Appalachia also, was raised in BSG( Cadet ) She hated the place for some reason, she left the state and only returned to see her mother. and me one time, as I left at the age of 11, with my father. She called it Big S____ Gap. She didn't mention where she was from also. WHY? So many people left there because of this very problem. Any ideas? Elizabeth --WebTV-Mail-1200691984-775 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:35:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id PAA21021; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28989; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:29:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:29:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:31:23 -0500 From: Paul Griffith <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Va <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [VAWISE-L] ref white trash Resent-Message-ID: <"UZGEIB.A.QCH.EJKz2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/375 X-Loop: [email protected] To: [email protected] Precedence: list Errors-To: [email protected] Resent-Sender: [email protected] My father was born in Appalachia, Wise County, Va. and told my mother he was born in Bristol. He told my step mother he was born in Richmond. She had a copy of his birth certificate which plainly gave the residence of the parents and doctor as Wise County. I guess she just didn't look close enough. He had a huge ego and I am sure, once he got away from there and into the world, that he was ashamed to tell people where he was from. ==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. [email protected] Phyllis Morefield --WebTV-Mail-1200691984-775--

SHAME!!! SHAME!!! I am not ashamed and never will be ashamed of were I was born and raised. and never be ashamed of my back ground being born and raised only a few miles from the va line in a little town called wheelwright Ky but my Mother and Dad being from Appalachia area and all of my aunts and uncles and cousins.neither side of my family were rich or great property owners just proud working people coal miners and loggers but not rich. I now live in middle Tn. but I proudly tell people where I am from and my family is from. Just remember one thing the people from there area of sw-va and south eastern Ky are the backbone of this nation or should I say what little nation that we have left. Roger Napier -----Original Message----- From: Paul Griffith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: [VAWISE-L] ref white trash >My father was born in Appalachia, Wise County, Va. and told my mother he >was born in Bristol. He told my step mother he was born in Richmond. She >had a copy of his birth certificate which plainly gave the residence of >the parents and doctor as Wise County. I guess she just didn't look >close enough. He had a huge ego and I am sure, once he got away from >there and into the world, that he was ashamed to tell people where he >was from. > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield > >

Brenda wrote about Jenkins Mt., train station museum, Pound Gap, etc. My wife and I are planning to venture into S. WV., SW. VA., and E.Ky in May of this year to reinspect and relive some memories as I was born in Coalwood, WV., McDowell Co. Where, at the time, Coal was King. As it was in Wise Co, Va., and Letcher Co., Ky. I lived in Norton. My mother taught at J.J. Kelly High in Wise. My dad grew up in the Mining Areas of all three states. Became a Supt of Mines in several areas, and a Fed. Mine Safety Engineer ultimately. I recall living in McRoberts, and Burdine (was not incorporated into the Jenkins city limits at the time) and attended grade school in Jenkins. Mother taught in the area as well. My brother and I walked to and from Burdine & Jenkins. He and I use to go up into the hills, where Bee-Hive Rock is located, which had a great view of the surrounding hills. Dad played baseball for the Jenkins Cubs of the old Lonesome Pine League in the 1930's. I remember sitting in the bleachers in Jenkins eating peanuts and drinking Orange Crush, watching my dad and others play ball. He also played ball for the Consol Coal Co. in Coalwood, as well as the Red Robins. Following the games, there would usually be a dance at the Club House or elsewhere. Met Happy Chandler on one of his jaunts, when he was Governor of Ky. I recall the weather back then, and one 48" snow we had. Mr. Stambough lived across the creek, which we crossed via a wooden swinging bridge. He was an engineer on the railroad. We got to inspect one of the engines, when I was 7 yrs old. Use to walk up and down the railroad picking up coal that fell from the cars that passed. We built a tree house on the creek bank in back of our house. We had several Bulldogs at various times. People down the way had two Birddogs; Bird and Hike. Our dog - Duke and the other two always fighting. There was and still is the lake and power house in Jenkins. An elderly man would always go out to test the ice to see if it was safe to skate on the lake. Gatherings at the fire at night then off to skate some more. I remember the theater in the stone building on the corner, where we paid about 15 cents for the ticket including pop-corn served in a celophane connical bag. A barber shop in the basement, where the owner kept a baby alligator. The people who had a candy store in their house just up from the school. Jenkins Hospital which is now a facility for long term care. The Peanut Man who would come around in McRoberts. We use to go over to Norton, where the City swimming pool was located. Was it Bald Knob up on the mountain with look-out & picnic facilities, etc? We will venture to burial sites of Ancestors for perhaps the last time. You see we are talking about events which took place 60 plus years ago. AH, the memories, cherish them. Certainly nothing to be ashamed of in the least. Peace, Tim

Any information on James Sanders Griffith from Wise County, died in cave-in at Rhoda mine in 1908.

My father was born in Appalachia, Wise County, Va. and told my mother he was born in Bristol. He told my step mother he was born in Richmond. She had a copy of his birth certificate which plainly gave the residence of the parents and doctor as Wise County. I guess she just didn't look close enough. He had a huge ego and I am sure, once he got away from there and into the world, that he was ashamed to tell people where he was from.

Penny, Good for you. Wise in great. Carmen

Has anyone heard of a Doctor Tudor MD of Norton, Wise Co. VA and if so, I would like to know if hekept records and how to obtain copies of them. My father (b. 1929) seems to remember that he was the doctor that delivered him and most of the children in his family. He was also the doctor who signed my gret-grandmother Lettie Reynolds (b. 1880- d. 1943) death certificate. Any inforamtion would be helpful. Thank You, B. Noaks

SORRY TO HEAR YOUR FAMILY WAS WHITE TRASH. BUT CERTAINLY NOT MINE

I recently copied the Russell County 1860 census record below of my gg grandfather William Johnson. Nathan is my great Grandfather. The only information I have on William and his family, other than my Grandfather Nathan, is that William's daughter Rissey, married *Charles Salyer 24 Jan 1865, his son Major married Elizabeth Salyer 7 nov 1872, and son William Jr married Elvira Massey 4 sep 1873 (all in Russell County). On Rissey¹s marriage record she said that she was born in Ashe County, NC. Noting that all of William¹s children were born in North Carolina and Lucinda being only six years old in 1860, I figured I could go to the 1850 Ashe County census and find William and his family. Not so, they were not there. *Charles Salyer had first married Rebecca J. Vicars shortly before 1860 and was widowed when he married Rissey in 1865. Charles had two children, G. Washington, b. ca 1861 and Nancy C., b ca 1864. They were enumerated with Charles and Rissey in the 1880 census. Also in the 1880 census Charles and Rissey had five children. They were John F., Sarah C., Mary J., Cynthia C., and Benjamin B. I am trying to find anything-anything-anything on any of these Johnsons and any help would be greatly appreciated. 1860 RUSSELL COUNTY, VIRGINIA CENSUS Johnson, William 45 NC Rebecca 44 NC Rissey 21 NC Nathan 18 NC Sarah 16 NC Major 21 NC William 10 NC Lucinda 6 NC

Hi, Cousin Ron I went to the courthouse in Abingdon VA where the Washington Co VA Genealogical Society is located, where there are 19 notebooks of information on the Church Family. I was researching for a friend. Below is some of the information I gathered along with some information shared with me by others. Descendants of John Church 1 John Church .... 2 Joel Church b: Bet. 1760 - 1783 in Wilkes Co NC d: Bet. 1855 - 1870 ....... +Margaret "Peggy" Adams d: Bef. 1840 .......... 3 Gabriel Church b: 1811 in NC .............. +Jane Cooper b: Bet. 1805 - 1807 in VA ................ 4 William Church b: 1830 .................... +Rachel Stidham b: 1832 m: Bef. 1850 ...................... 5 Sarah E. Church b: February 05, 1858 in Wise Co VA ................ 4 Mary Church b: 1832 .................... +Greenberry Sallee b: Bet. 1824 - 1826 in Lee Co VA m: Abt. 1863 ...................... 5 John Sallee b: 1864 ...................... 5 Greenberry Salley, Jr. b: 1866 ...................... 5 Robert T. Salley b: 1867 ...................... 5 Jonas Salley b: 1869 ................ 4 Margaret "Peggy" Church b: 1835 in Lee Co VA .................... +Issac Isom b: 1831 in TN m: April 23, 1854 Lee Co VA ................ 4 John Church b: Bet. 1835 - 1837 in VA or KY .................... +Nancy Sturgill b: 1838 in VA m: March 08, 1855 Letcher Co KY ...................... 5 Pat Church .......................... +Mary Boggs ...................... 5 James Franklin Church b: March 29, 1856 in Wise Co VA .......................... +Drucilla Stidham b: April 18, 1859 in Lee Co VA d: March 07, 1953 m: February 09, 1875 Wise Co VA ............................ 6 Ora Church ................................ +Wade Hampton ............................ 6 Orpha Church ................................ +William Fuller ............................ 6 James Monroe Church b: 1877 in VA ................................ +Catherine Boggs ............................ *2nd Wife of James Monroe Church: ................................ +Renie A. Stidham b: 1882 in Wise Co VA ............................ 6 Nancy J. Church b: 1878 in VA ................................ +James Hubbard ............................ 6 Nevada Church b: April 1880 in VA ................................ +Pete Pocolac ............................ 6 Creed Church b: 1881 ................................ +Nannie ............................ 6 Henry Church b: 1884 ................................ +Jenny ............................ 6 Lee Church b: 1886 ................................ +Caroline Gardner ............................ 6 Grover Cleveland Church b: February 25, 1886 d: May 03, 1973 in (Laural Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section of Norton, Wise Co VA) ................................ +Isabell R. Stidham b: September 25, 1899 d: November 22, 1987 in (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section of Norton, Wise Co VA) ............................ *2nd Wife of Grover Cleveland Church: ................................ +Ruby Collins ............................ *3rd Wife of Grover Cleveland Church: ................................ +Bell Roberts ............................ 6 Trigg Church b: 1890 ................................ +Mae Hampton ............................ 6 Viola Church b: 1892 ................................ +George Hubbard ............................ 6 Tennessee Church b: 1895 ................................ +Ethel Church ............................ 6 Maggie Church b: 1898 ................................ +Henry Stanifer ...................... 5 Wilson Church b: 1858 .......................... +Katherine Roberts ...................... 5 William Church b: 1861 in Wise Co,VA .......................... +Cynthia Sturgill b: 1868 in Wise Co,VA m: February 01, 1883 Wise Co,VA ...................... 5 John W. Church b: 1865 ...................... 5 Rebecca Church b: 1866 ...................... 5 Kelly Church b: 1872 .......................... +Rebecca Maggard ...................... 5 George Church b: 1876 ...................... 5 Thomas Church b: 1878 .......................... +Mary Boggs ................ 4 Gabriel Church b: 1839 in VA .................... +Tamar Musselwhite ...................... 5 Diada Church b: 1858 .......................... +Samuel Vincent Hale b: July 13, 1847 in Bull Creek Floyd Co KY d: July 02, 1923 m: October 24, 1878 Carter Co KY ............................ 6 John William Hale b: October 31, 1879 ............................ 6 James Lafayette Hale b: July 31, 1881 ............................ 6 Myrtle May Hale b: September 29, 1883 ............................ 6 Charles Herbert Hale b: September 29, 1887 ............................ 6 Virgie Elizabeth Hale b: August 16, 1890 ............................ 6 Samuel Vincent Hale b: June 04, 1893 ............................ 6 Walter Mason Hale b: February 06, 1897 ............................ 6 Warren Smith Hale b: September 20, 1899 ................ 4 Nancy Church b: 1841 in VA ................ 4 Isaiah Church b: 1843 in VA ................ 4 Wilson Church b: October 07, 1845 in VA d: February 02, 1932 .................... +Rachel Maggard ...................... 5 Elizabeth Church b: 1870 in Letcher Co KY .......................... +James Sturgill b: 1865 in Letcher Co KY m: July 21, 1885 Wise Co VA ............................ 6 Billy Sturgill b: December 17, 1892 ................................ +Maggie Bolling b: November 26, 1899 d: November 22, 1955 m: March 17, 1917 Wise Co VA ................ *2nd Wife of Wilson Church: .................... +Catherine Roberts b: 1836 in Lee Co,VA ................ 4 Mathias Kelly Church b: October 28, 1847 in VA d: January 05, 1932 in (Church Cemetery North Fork of the Pound) .................... +Anna Maggard b: May 02, 1847 in KY d: September 01, 1914 in Wise Co VA ...................... 5 Elizabeth Church .......................... +John P Sturgill b: 1869 in VA ...................... 5 Laura Lucenda Church .......................... +Sampson Short d: 1920 ............................ 6 Hansford Short b: January 11, 1909 d: January 17, 1909 in (Church Cemetery North Fork of the Pound) ............................ 6 Goldie Short ...................... 5 Rausa Church b: 1884 d: September 23, 1930 .......................... +Joe L Sturgill b: April 30, 1884 d: July 05, 1914 ...................... 5 Rachel Church .......................... +Unknown Hays ...................... 5 Jim Church .......................... +Mary June Roberts ...................... 5 George Church b: 1860 .......................... +Nancy Roberts ...................... 5 Bud Church ...................... 5 Benton Church ...................... 5 Mary Jane Church b: 1871 in Letcher Co KY .......................... +William Sturgill b: 1873 in Letcher Co KY m: March 01, 1894 Wise Co VA .......... 3 Joel Church, Jr. b: 1814 .............. +Nancy Caroline Layne b: 1821 in NC .......... 3 John Church b: 1818 .......... 3 Anne Church b: 1820 .............. +David Stidham .......... 3 William Church b: 1822 .......... 3 Elizabeth Church b: 1824 .............. +Wilson Wampler .......... 3 Celia Church b: 1827 in VA d: November 15, 1906 .............. +Spencer Adams b: February 19, 1826 in Whitley Co KY d: March 21, 1905 m: March 19, 1844 ................ 4 Latitia Adams b: 1858 in Letcher Co, Kentucky .................... +Shadrick R. Roberts b: Bet. 1820 - 1830 in Carroll Co,VA m: April 15, 1879 Wise Co VA ...................... 5 [2] Dicy Roberts .......................... +[1] James Taylor Adams b: February 03, 1892 in near Whitesburg, Letcher Co, KY d: September 03, 1954 ................ 4 Joseph Adams b: May 14, 1855 in Pine Creek, Letcher Co KY d: March 1905 .................... +Mary Jane Short b: 1856 in Russell Co,VA m: December 27, 1875 Wise Co VA ...................... 5 [1] James Taylor Adams b: February 03, 1892 in near Whitesburg, Letcher Co, KY d: September 03, 1954 .......................... +[2] Dicy Roberts ................ 4 Samuel Simpson Adams b: December 27, 1852 in Letcher Co KY d: April 13, 1914 .................... +Elizabeth Roberts b: 1850 in Lee Co VA d: August 23, 1919 ...................... 5 Mary Adams b: October 18, 1876 in Rocky Fork of Guest River, Wise Co, VA d: December 20, 1977 .......................... +Leonard Erastus Carter b: November 21, 1878 in Wise Co Va d: August 08, 1963 m: January 02, 1902 ............................ 6 Charles Wentz Carter ................................ +Edna Kilgore ................ 4 John Adams b: 1863 in Letcher Co KY .................... +Amanda Chisenhall b: 1860 in Wise Co VA m: September 23, 1884 Wise Co VA ................ 4 William G. Adams b: 1848 in Letcher Co KY .................... +Luemma Hubbard b: 1856 in Wise Co VA m: December 08, 1874 Wise Co VA .......... 3 Joseph Church b: 1828 in VA d: 1906 .......... 3 Emanuel Church b: Bet. 1831 - 1833 in VA .............. +Lucinda Ratcliff b: 1836 in VA m: 1854 Lee Co VA? ................ 4 Isaac Church b: April 03, 1857 in Wise Co VA ................ 4 James C. Church b: 1855 .......... 3 Thomas Church b: 1832 in TN .......... 3 Nancy Church b: 1833 in VA .... *2nd Wife of Joel Church: ....... +Caroline Hobbs b: 1814 in TN m: Abt. 1840 .......... 3 Mills Church b: 1840 .......... 3 Margaret "Peggy" Church b: Bet. 1842 - 1846 .......... 3 George Church b: Bet. 1844 - 1845 in VA .......... 3 James Church b: 1848 I have Francis and Rebecca Hash Sturgill's daughter married an Osborne; also she is much older than the Nancy Sturgill who married John Church. I, too, wonder who Nancy Sturgill Church's parents are. Nancy Sturgill b: January 15, 1803 in NC d: November 30, 1894 in Grayson Co,VA . +Andrew Osborne b: November 15, 1799 in Grayson Co VA d: January 1877 in Grayson Co,VA m: 1829 -----Original Message----- From: R. Black descendant of the cumberland <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 1:24 PM Subject: [VAWISE-L] John church and Nancy Sturgill Wise county VA. >Hi cousins, in Wise county and surrounding areas. > >Looking for information on John Church ( I believe that is son of Gabriel, >and a brother to Mathias Kelly . and his wife Nancy Sturgill, I believe she >may have been daughter of Francis Sturgill and Rebecca Hash.. > >Would like to have their parents confirmed based on what you all might have >and would appreciate any "descendant line info" you might have for John >Church and Nancy Sturgill Church, their children etc. as I do not have >anything in my FTM files currently for them. > >Thanks and God Bless, take care cousin Ron in WA. > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Remember: All posts go back to the list. If you wish to contact someone privately you will have to change the address >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield > > >

Sorry to post this to list, tried Martha's address to thank her but wouldn't go.. thank you Martha, Thank you for the information.. not sure if it is the same group but will compare it to some of the other info I have.. I am doing this for a relative here in WA. ( NOTE: I believe I listed this Nancy Sturgill's parents as being Francis Sturgill and Rebecca Hash, I believe it would me Rebecca Hall.. which is a few generations later. I too am connected to the Church & Sturgill family but my connection is via Methias Kelly Church and Anna Maggard, John would be brother to Kelly.. and the Nancy Sturgill would be connected to my Sturgill line but several generations ago.. so really am not sure about the info when I see it .. I see your email is Short family, are you connected to Short family around Wise county.. my connection is to my ggg grandmother Melvina Short, daughter of Daniel H. Short(tt) of Wise county. have collected most of that info.. my family is so inter married that I seem to have grandparent ancestors from most all the long standing Wise county and Letcher county families.. Melvina Short above married a Jonathan Hayes(Hays) which I can't find any info on.. they had two daughters.. one being Mary Elizabeth which married Francis Standifer/ Standefer and the other was Martha Hayes who married a Joseph Wiley Adams ? Melvina Short later married George Washington Bolling.. and they had many children together.. so that is a bit about my Short line, My grandmother was a Sturgill, from flat gap.. I only have her brother Percy Vernon Sturgill and his family still living there at Flat Gap.. If you have not seen my web pages and are interested please visit it.. My Mountain Heritage.. http://www.willapabay.org/~semperfi Thanks so much, Ron Black - Washington State. -----Original Message----- From: Martha Short <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [VAWISE-L] John church and Nancy Sturgill Wise county VA. > >-- > >On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:18:40 R. Black descendant of the cumberland wrote: >>Looking for information on John Church ( I believe >that is son of Gabriel, and a brother to Mathias >Kelly . and his wife Nancy Sturgill > >Hi Ron: > >I don't know if this is the family that you are looking for, however, the following household was found in the 1880 Wise Co. Census as transcribed by Rhonda Roberson: > >John CHURCH, white, m, 44, married, farmer, VVV >Nancy, f, 38, wife, married, keeps house, VVV >William, m, 21, son, single, works on farm, VVV >Rebecca, f, 18, dau, single, VVV >John W., m, 15, son, single, works on farm, VVV >Kelly, m, 8, son, single, VVV >George, m, 4, son, single, VVV >Thomas, m, 2, son, single, VVV > >(notations indicated that Nancy, Rebecca, and John W. could read or write and William could not write but could read). > >Hope this helps you in your search, >Martha > > > >Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Remember: All posts go back to the list. If you wish to contact someone privately you will have to change the address >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield >

-- On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:18:40 R. Black descendant of the cumberland wrote: >Looking for information on John Church ( I believe >that is son of Gabriel, and a brother to Mathias >Kelly . and his wife Nancy Sturgill Hi Ron: I don't know if this is the family that you are looking for, however, the following household was found in the 1880 Wise Co. Census as transcribed by Rhonda Roberson: John CHURCH, white, m, 44, married, farmer, VVV Nancy, f, 38, wife, married, keeps house, VVV William, m, 21, son, single, works on farm, VVV Rebecca, f, 18, dau, single, VVV John W., m, 15, son, single, works on farm, VVV Kelly, m, 8, son, single, VVV George, m, 4, son, single, VVV Thomas, m, 2, son, single, VVV (notations indicated that Nancy, Rebecca, and John W. could read or write and William could not write but could read). Hope this helps you in your search, Martha Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

Hi cousins, in Wise county and surrounding areas. Looking for information on John Church ( I believe that is son of Gabriel, and a brother to Mathias Kelly . and his wife Nancy Sturgill, I believe she may have been daughter of Francis Sturgill and Rebecca Hash.. Would like to have their parents confirmed based on what you all might have and would appreciate any "descendant line info" you might have for John Church and Nancy Sturgill Church, their children etc. as I do not have anything in my FTM files currently for them. Thanks and God Bless, take care cousin Ron in WA.

Hi Everyone, Hope this helps some one. ORANGE COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA Abstracts of the Minutes of the Court of Pleas & Quaker Sessions, Orange County, NC. September 1752 - Aug 1766 compiled by Ruth Shields from the Alamance County Public Libraries, Burlington, NC. Court of February 1765 300 “ Ordered that Isaac Beverley , an Orphain child of John Beverley , aged about 11 years, be bound to Joshua Hadley until he arrive to the age of 21, who is to receive the sum of b 12 above his freedom dues.” 302 Harmon Husband returned an Inventory of the Estate of John Beverley, dec’d. Three orphan children of John Beverley are bound out - John Beverley bound to Harmon Husband till 21 years old. Jesse Beverley bound to William Moffitt “weaver” till 21. Hannah Beverly bound to John Fruit till she is 18 years old. 405 Elijah Beverley (aged 3 years) son of John Beverley, dec’d bound to Henry Doyle .... “ to learn the trade and occupation of a weaver.” Elijah Beverly married Mary Polly Freeman , settled on Wise County Virginia, daughter Abigail Freeman married Richard Baker. I do have copy of the Will of John Beverly Louise Vanover Vore

Greetings: I have the newspaper clippings (2) of my grandfathers obit. Which I found tucked away in an old family Bible. They are very fragile and yellowed, there are no headings or date of the paper or clipping, I have searched both sides of the clipping and can not tell. I will type it out for you, it reads: # 1 -Trammel, Va., April 14. - Teamon Bowman, Dickenson County pioneer, and probably the oldest man in Southwest Virginia, died at his home at DeBusk postoffice, on Lick Creek, five miles north of here, at 9 A.M. Thursday, April 8th. Born near Alum Wells, Washington County, in 1822, he was ninety-three years of age at the time of his death. His father, Uriah Bowman, came from North Carolina in the early years of the neneteeth century and settled near Alum Wells, where he readed his family; of this family only one now survives, Mrs. Tryphena Agnor, of Hilton Station. #2 - Trammel Viginia. Mrs Emm Austin, Mrs. Francis Miller, Mrs. Jane Silcox, Mrs. Ellen Silcox and Mr. Charles Bowman were called to DeBusk, on account of the serious illness, and subsequent death of their aged fater, Dr. Teamon Bowman. Dr. Bowman, who was undoubtedly, Dickenson County's oldest citizen, was ninety-three years of age, and settled on the farm where he died, some forty-five years ago. Granville White, Foy McMillian, Jessee McMillaan, O. T. Austin and many others from Trammel attended the burial of Dr. Teamon Bowman, on Bear Ridge, Saturday. (typo errors left in as written) I have FTM 5.0, and have had absolutely no luck with the Bowman line. One family member thinks Teamon's wife was named Mary ?. My grandmother Emmaline Bowman was born April 21, 1881 in Washington Co., Va. d. 11-30-1964. She married Nathan Ballard Austin 12-08-1898 at Nora, Dickenson, Co., Va. I have had much better luck with the Austin line. If anyone has any suggestions, or if we can share info., please let me know. Kathryn Austin e-mail: [email protected] ............................................................................. ................................

John Clarkston wrote: > > The address for the above site is http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/wise1857.htm When looking at this site (1857 Wise Co VA Tax List A-M) I see JAMES BAKER as owner of two parcels of land - and JOHN MULLINS as owner of 1 parcel. Does anyone know which James Baker & John Mullins they are? Spouses names? Thank you for any info you might have, [email protected]

The address for the above site is http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/wise1857.htm

Those wanting to know more about Wise Co and the occupations of their ancestors really need to check out this resource at this address: http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/wise1888.htm

(My information has not been personally researched by me. I have found everything in books or by family legend, and am open to any corrections.) It seems like anyone native to Wise or Dickenson Counties has some Mullins in his background. Mine starts with Revolutionary "Buttin'" John (b. 1750-60) in Burke Co. NC. His second wife was Jane "Jennie" Bailey, by whom all his children were born except the first, possibly, who may have been born by Mollie Brandon. She died of smallpox. John Sr. eventually lived in Clintwood with his son, John Jr. and his wife, Ollie Cox Mullins. My Mullins line comes on down through John Mullins Jr.> dau. Ollie Mullins who married Eli Vanover of Clintwood> Dora Vanover who married Sam Meade> Rena Meade who married Willie Dotson> me, Brenda Salyers. Grandma Dora (b.1875) lived with our family until her death in 1969. ¥Does anyone know when John Sr. came to Clintwood and if Jennie lived there with him? ¥Does anyone know of John Sr.'s parentage and ancestors for sure? Thanks for any help you may be able to offer. Brenda Salyers