Hi Ron, I believe your friend's Pat Church was a son of John and Nancy Sturgill Church. Descendants of John Church 1 John Church b: Bet. 1835 - 1837 in VA or KY . +Nancy Sturgill b: 1837 m: March 08, 1855 Letcher Co KY .... 2 Pat Church ....... +Mary Boggs .... 2 James Franklin Church b: March 29, 1856 in Wise Co VA ....... +Drucilla Stidham b: April 18, 1859 in Lee Co VA d: March 07, 1953 m: February 09, 1875 Wise Co VA .... 2 Wilson Church b: 1858 ....... +Katherine Roberts .... 2 William Church b: 1861 in Wise Co,VA ....... +Cynthia Sturgill b: 1868 in Wise Co,VA m: February 01, 1883 Wise Co,VA .... 2 John W. Church b: 1865 .... 2 Rebecca Church b: 1866 .... 2 Kelly Church b: 1872 ....... +Rebecca Maggard .... 2 George Church b: 1876 .... 2 Thomas Church b: 1878 ....... +Mary Boggs Mary Boggs, wife of Pat Church was the daughter of : Descendants of Phillip Boggs 1 Phillip Boggs . +Katherine Roberts .... 2 Mary Boggs ....... +Pat Church Since I have Roberts and Boggs lines I'm interested in how they tie in. I have never tried looking up anything on this couple in my Wise Co references, will try to do so later tonight. Deborah Thompson Clarkston -----Original Message----- From: R. Black descendant of the cumberland <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 11:28 PM Subject: [VAWISE-L] Boggs,Church and Shrot familiies >Greetings cousins, > I am writing this for an old friend here where I live in WA. he is a >Short(tt) and knows very little about his Wise county ancestors, I would >like to help him figure out from what Boggs,Church, and Short(tt) families >(any or all) he came from..for his peace of mind and so I can document him >here in WA. and who his Wise co. people were. >As far as I know these people came from Wise Co. and or Neary- By KY> to >include Charlie himself. I believe he may have a few relatives , possibly >sister still living in or around Wise co. VA. > >I got very little info out of him this evening and am posting what little I >know.. I will try to get more info from him later should this not ring any >ones memory.. it is kind of hard to get the info from him, so I did not >press my luck, also am not sure as to his memory of first names which he >gave .. but this is what he said.. > >Keep in mind, my friend is about 75-80 > >his line starting with the farthest back, > >1.John R. Boggs - no mention of a wife >2.daughter/Mary Boggs-Possibly Polly, married Pat Church ? >3.Norma Church married Milfred Short(tt) ? Church (not sure about his >spelling. > >Then my friend \ relative Charlie > >Will try to send more later if I can get it but maybe someone will know this >family group, thank you all.. cousin Ron in WA. > >Also, If any of you have not checked out my web pages, please do when you >have time. If any of you have any thing you can share, especially photos >please do share what you can.. > >My Mountain Heritage / http://www.willapabay.org/~semperfi > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield > > >

Greetings cousins, I am writing this for an old friend here where I live in WA. he is a Short(tt) and knows very little about his Wise county ancestors, I would like to help him figure out from what Boggs,Church, and Short(tt) families (any or all) he came from..for his peace of mind and so I can document him here in WA. and who his Wise co. people were. As far as I know these people came from Wise Co. and or Neary- By KY> to include Charlie himself. I believe he may have a few relatives , possibly sister still living in or around Wise co. VA. I got very little info out of him this evening and am posting what little I know.. I will try to get more info from him later should this not ring any ones memory.. it is kind of hard to get the info from him, so I did not press my luck, also am not sure as to his memory of first names which he gave .. but this is what he said.. Keep in mind, my friend is about 75-80 his line starting with the farthest back, 1.John R. Boggs - no mention of a wife 2.daughter/Mary Boggs-Possibly Polly, married Pat Church ? 3.Norma Church married Milfred Short(tt) ? Church (not sure about his spelling. Then my friend \ relative Charlie Will try to send more later if I can get it but maybe someone will know this family group, thank you all.. cousin Ron in WA. Also, If any of you have not checked out my web pages, please do when you have time. If any of you have any thing you can share, especially photos please do share what you can.. My Mountain Heritage / http://www.willapabay.org/~semperfi

Looking for the parents of John McCurry, born abt. 1857, from Gladesville VA. Had a brother named Lewis McCurry who resided in Johnson County KY. I know nothing about this family prior to them coming to eastern Kentucky. Any help will be appreciated.

I have really enjoyed reading all of your stories. The one who wrote that geneology without stories like these is kind of useless was right. Unfortunatley I am under 50 years old and was raised mainly in Maryland, eastern shore, so I don't know of these things with the exception of Pinto and Navy bean with ham "soup". I do have memories of my mom making it, putting a piece of cornbread in the bottom of a bowl, lots of onions on top. Course, I can't stand cornbread so I used white bread. I'm sure my father would be very disappointed to know his son doesn't like cornbread being from Appalachia in Wise county. And by the way, when he was young I think he was embaressed that he was from Appalachia but as he grew older I don't think it bothered him anymore. I am proud of the fact that he is from there, it's beautiful country. And judging from the people on this list it is populated with some of the best people in this country.

Does anyknow anything about Harvey Morning Jones the son of James V. Jones and Sarah Elizabeth Ramsey. Harvey was born 3 May 1842 a section in Russell Co that later became Wise Co. Can anyone solve this mystery? Carmen Kay

Does anyone have information on James Madison Jones who married a Mary Mercer? I only know of one son, James V. Jones who died in WIse Co. James V. Jones's will was written 15 Dec 1857 and proven on 28 Jan 1858. James married Sarah Elizabeth Ramsey the daughter of Joel Ramsey and Mary Belcher. Children of James V Jones Harvey Morning Jones John Henry Jones Daniel Crockett Jones Mary J Jones Rhoda Melissa Jones Hester A Jones Susan C Jones George Washington Jones Would be glad to share Jones information. Carmen Kay

Ron, The Washington County Historical Society has about 20 volumes of Church family history...all in binders...located in their archives at the Washington County Courthouse in Abingdon. Rhonda Robertson [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: R. Black descendant of the cumberland <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 10:08 AM Subject: [VAWISE-L] Native American / Cherokee ??? ancestors of Mathias Kelly Church ????? >Greetings to all, cousins and friends > >Have any of you on this list who are related to Mathias Kelly Church and >Anna Maggard line from Wise county ever discovered how this " Church family" >has Western Cherokee roots and whom that or those Cherokee ancestors were ?? > >I have not been able to determine the names of which one(s) they -he or she >may have been , but am told they do have Cherokee connections somewhere in >the line .. Any help as to who that Cherokee(s) may be by name (they would >be registered in Oklahoma) would be very helpful.. I thank all of you in >advance and do hope one of you may have this info.. as my health is not good >and I sure would like to close this section of my search.. been looking a >long time.... feel free to email me privately if you wish. > >[email protected] > >Take Care - Ron in WA.. descendant of Kelly and Anna > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield > > > >

Greetings to all, cousins and friends Have any of you on this list who are related to Mathias Kelly Church and Anna Maggard line from Wise county ever discovered how this " Church family" has Western Cherokee roots and whom that or those Cherokee ancestors were ?? I have not been able to determine the names of which one(s) they -he or she may have been , but am told they do have Cherokee connections somewhere in the line .. Any help as to who that Cherokee(s) may be by name (they would be registered in Oklahoma) would be very helpful.. I thank all of you in advance and do hope one of you may have this info.. as my health is not good and I sure would like to close this section of my search.. been looking a long time.... feel free to email me privately if you wish. [email protected] Take Care - Ron in WA.. descendant of Kelly and Anna

In Sept of last year I visited in SW VA, mostly Grayson co, Va, where allot of my ancestors came from, and I can't say enough GOOD things about all the people we met and interviewed. They were truley WONDERFUL people. I will never ever forget that trip. We attended two different church services while there and the hospitality and warm welcomes was just unbelieveable!!!! I sure can't say enough good things about SW VA. Donna in PA

Shame!!! Shame!!! First of all let me say that I am not nor ever will be ashamed of my roots or the area or part of this country that I am from. I am not from sw-va but just across the line from pound va, a little town called Wheelwright Ky. But my mother and Father are from sw-va wise county scott county lee county. they were not from rich families put hardworking families who had a proud back ground good moral values. they were people that believed that they were no better than any one else and no one was any better that they were. They were not the goodie to shoes that went around with their nose stuck up in the air that if it came a good rain they would drown.. my people were simple people coal miners loggers and farmers, I am not ashamed to tell people were that I am from. or that my family is from. because that part of the county is home to me, and always will be I am not above my raisins. I do not live there any more but now live in tn, a town called Cookeville, I have lived in Mich also but sw-va and south eastern Ky. is home sweet home to me. my family and I attend the Assembly of God Church in Cookeville and I tell my Pastor that I am from God's country. and I truly believe that that is god's county People be thankful that you are from an area of this great nation that our forefathers and families were and are the backbone of this country. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Griffith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:35 PM Subject: [VAWISE-L] Griffith/Williams family >Any information on James Sanders Griffith from Wise County, died in >cave-in at Rhoda mine in 1908. > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield >

Who was the napier your aunt was married to I am a napier and my people are from sw-va -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [VAWISE-L] ref white trash >NEVER BE ASHAMED OF FAMILY. I have an Aunt that was married to a Napier in >Richmond, Va and she was never White trash. Iam proud of her she is gone now >her name wasGrace Napier and she has kids that carry the name. > > Love, >Grace > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Wise County list please send your request to: >[email protected] (if you are in list mode) or to >[email protected] (if you are in digest mode). >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield >

Dear Tim, No, it's High Knob above Norton. The lake is still intact at Jenkins, but I'm not sure if there is still a power house. The large old brick building with the tall, round chimney has been torn down and replaced by a charming city park and stage. Vaguely remember the Dipsy Doodle. Do you remember the Steak 'n Shake in Norton? Brenda Louise Vanover Vore wrote: > > Remember the Dipsey Doodle in Burdine/Jenkins ? > Dipsey in and Doodle out. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [VAWISE-L] ref white trash > > >Brenda wrote about Jenkins Mt., train station museum, Pound Gap, etc. My > wife > >and I are planning to venture into S. WV., SW. VA., and E.Ky in May of this > >year to reinspect and relive some memories as I was born in Coalwood, WV., > >McDowell Co. Where, at the time, Coal was King. As it was in Wise Co, Va., > and > >Letcher Co., Ky. I lived in Norton. My mother taught at J.J. Kelly High in > >Wise. My dad grew up in the Mining Areas of all three states. Became a Supt > of > >Mines in several areas, and a Fed. Mine Safety Engineer ultimately. I > recall > >living in McRoberts, and Burdine (was not incorporated into the Jenkins > city > >limits at the time) and attended grade school in Jenkins. Mother taught in > the > >area as well. My brother and I walked to and from Burdine & Jenkins. He > and > >I use to go up into the hills, where Bee-Hive Rock is located, which had a > >great view of the surrounding hills. Dad played baseball for the Jenkins > Cubs > >of the old Lonesome Pine League in the 1930's. I remember sitting in the > >bleachers in Jenkins eating peanuts and drinking Orange Crush, watching my > dad > >and others play ball. He also played ball for the Consol Coal Co. in > Coalwood, > >as well as the Red Robins. Following the games, there would usually be a > dance > >at the Club House or elsewhere. Met Happy Chandler on one of his jaunts, > when > >he was Governor of Ky. I recall the weather back then, and one 48" snow we > >had. Mr. Stambough lived across the creek, which we crossed via a wooden > >swinging bridge. He was an engineer on the railroad. We got to inspect one > of > >the engines, when I was 7 yrs old. Use to walk up and down the railroad > >picking up coal that fell from the cars that passed. We built a tree house > on > >the creek bank in back of our house. We had several Bulldogs at various > times. > >People down the way had two Birddogs; Bird and Hike. Our dog - Duke and the > >other two always fighting. > >There was and still is the lake and power house in Jenkins. An elderly man > >would always go out to test the ice to see if it was safe to skate on the > >lake. Gatherings at the fire at night then off to skate some more. I > remember > >the theater in the stone building on the corner, where we paid about 15 > cents > >for the ticket including pop-corn served in a celophane connical bag. A > >barber shop in the basement, where the owner kept a baby alligator. The > people > >who had a candy store in their house just up from the school. Jenkins > Hospital > >which is now a facility for long term care. The Peanut Man who would come > >around in McRoberts. We use to go over to Norton, where the City swimming > pool > >was located. Was it Bald Knob up on the mountain with look-out & picnic > >facilities, etc? We will venture to burial sites of Ancestors for perhaps > the > >last time. You see we are talking about events which took place 60 plus > years > >ago. AH, the memories, cherish them. Certainly nothing to be ashamed of in > >the least. Peace, Tim > > > > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== > >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers > know who is on the list. > >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield > > > > ==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== > Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. > [email protected] Phyllis Morefield

Remember the Dipsey Doodle in Burdine/Jenkins ? Dipsey in and Doodle out. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [VAWISE-L] ref white trash >Brenda wrote about Jenkins Mt., train station museum, Pound Gap, etc. My wife >and I are planning to venture into S. WV., SW. VA., and E.Ky in May of this >year to reinspect and relive some memories as I was born in Coalwood, WV., >McDowell Co. Where, at the time, Coal was King. As it was in Wise Co, Va., and >Letcher Co., Ky. I lived in Norton. My mother taught at J.J. Kelly High in >Wise. My dad grew up in the Mining Areas of all three states. Became a Supt of >Mines in several areas, and a Fed. Mine Safety Engineer ultimately. I recall >living in McRoberts, and Burdine (was not incorporated into the Jenkins city >limits at the time) and attended grade school in Jenkins. Mother taught in the >area as well. My brother and I walked to and from Burdine & Jenkins. He and >I use to go up into the hills, where Bee-Hive Rock is located, which had a >great view of the surrounding hills. Dad played baseball for the Jenkins Cubs >of the old Lonesome Pine League in the 1930's. I remember sitting in the >bleachers in Jenkins eating peanuts and drinking Orange Crush, watching my dad >and others play ball. He also played ball for the Consol Coal Co. in Coalwood, >as well as the Red Robins. Following the games, there would usually be a dance >at the Club House or elsewhere. Met Happy Chandler on one of his jaunts, when >he was Governor of Ky. I recall the weather back then, and one 48" snow we >had. Mr. Stambough lived across the creek, which we crossed via a wooden >swinging bridge. He was an engineer on the railroad. We got to inspect one of >the engines, when I was 7 yrs old. Use to walk up and down the railroad >picking up coal that fell from the cars that passed. We built a tree house on >the creek bank in back of our house. We had several Bulldogs at various times. >People down the way had two Birddogs; Bird and Hike. Our dog - Duke and the >other two always fighting. >There was and still is the lake and power house in Jenkins. An elderly man >would always go out to test the ice to see if it was safe to skate on the >lake. Gatherings at the fire at night then off to skate some more. I remember >the theater in the stone building on the corner, where we paid about 15 cents >for the ticket including pop-corn served in a celophane connical bag. A >barber shop in the basement, where the owner kept a baby alligator. The people >who had a candy store in their house just up from the school. Jenkins Hospital >which is now a facility for long term care. The Peanut Man who would come >around in McRoberts. We use to go over to Norton, where the City swimming pool >was located. Was it Bald Knob up on the mountain with look-out & picnic >facilities, etc? We will venture to burial sites of Ancestors for perhaps the >last time. You see we are talking about events which took place 60 plus years >ago. AH, the memories, cherish them. Certainly nothing to be ashamed of in >the least. Peace, Tim > > >==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== >Please post your family lines to the list perodically, so that newcomers know who is on the list. >[email protected] Phyllis Morefield >

You could not have said it better about SW VA

Hi, I lurk on this list, live in London KY and have to tell about going to Wise VA a couple years ago. To get there we traveled south through the Cumberland Gap tunnel then turned left to go up through Virginia. As we were going through Virginia, in the early morning, the fog hung on the mountain range that was on the left side of the road separating Virginia and Kentucky. It was so beautiful and as usual I had the feeling of being where my forefathers had been and traveled to get to KY. When we got to Wise, a lovely town, found it full of people(we thought there would only be a few) gathering at the college to hear speakers about the Melungeon heritage. People came from everywhere across the country and we all enjoyed each other and the area very much. We can be poor(or rich) and have a great love for family and the areas we are from. People are just different, some could be ashamed of their situation and it not bother others. I personally love Wise County and think it is very rich with heritage and should be proud. Penny in London, KY

Today would have been the 126th wedding anniversary of my great great grandparents. Are there any descendants out there? Descendants of Nathan Hamilton 1 Nathan Hamilton b: March 16, 1851 in Russell Co,VA d: in WiseCoVA . +Elizabeth "Betsy" Sturgill b: 1850 in Letcher Co Ky d: in Wise Co,VA m: February 19, 1873 Wise Co,VA .... 2 Rachel Hamilton b: 1877 ....... +Issac Parlor .... 2 Sarah Ann Hamilton b: 1879 in Wise Co VA d: 1953 in (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section of Norton, Wise Co VA) ....... +Henry A. Hunsucker b: 1876 in Wise Co VA d: 1937 in (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section of Norton, Wise Co VA) m: February 18, 1897 WiseCoVA .......... 3 Ellen Hunsucker b: 1899 d: 1937 in (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section of Norton, Wise Co VA) .............. +William Otto Applegate b: May 22, 1896 d: June 30, 1952 in (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section of Norton, Wise Co VA) .... 2 James L. Hamilton b: April 01, 1880 in Wise Co,VA d: June 05, 1949 in (Guest River near Dixiana, Wise Co VA) ....... +Laura Sturgill .... *2nd Wife of James L. Hamilton: ....... +Rosa Ellen Roberts b: December 23, 1884 in Wise Co,VA d: November 10, 1936 m: February 03, 1900 Wise Co,VA .......... 3 Sarah Elizabeth Hamilton b: December 01, 1902 d: September 08, 1953 in Needmore, Wise Co VA (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section, Norton, Wise Co VA) .............. +James Arthur Thompson b: July 10, 1895 in Wise Co VA d: April 10, 1971 in Norton,Wise Co VA (Laurel Grove Cemetery, Ramsey Section, Norton, Wise Co VA) m: July 02, 1920 Wise Co,VA .......... 3 Cindy Hamilton b: November 02, 1904 .............. +Dan Hurt .......... *2nd Husband of Cindy Hamilton: .............. +Sam Dixon .......... *3rd Husband of Cindy Hamilton: .............. +Clyde Barnette .......... 3 Percy Hamilton b: March 27, 1908 d: 1970 .............. +Dora Miller .......... 3 Hester Hamilton b: May 22, 1916 d: February 01, 1983 .............. +Pat Wells .......... 3 Lester Hamilton b: May 22, 1916 d: May 1980 .............. +Juanita Gilreath Deborah Thompson Clarkston

NEVER BE ASHAMED OF FAMILY. I have an Aunt that was married to a Napier in Richmond, Va and she was never White trash. Iam proud of her she is gone now her name wasGrace Napier and she has kids that carry the name. Love, Grace

GOOD FOR YOU.

Hi Penny, What a nice tribute! I think almost all of SW Virginia is beautiful, especially from the Powell Valley Overlook outside Norton--any season, any weather,any time of day. Next time you're in our area, drive on over to Pound Gap and down the Kentucky side. The new highway construction on Jenkins Mt. uncovered the most spectacular geology right before your eyes. On down in the town of Jenkins a renovated train station houses a coal/train/history of Jenkins museum. There are white trash and solid gold people wherever one looks, and we generally find whichever kind we are looking for. Brenda Ferguson wrote: > > Hi, I lurk on this list, live in London KY and have to tell about going to > Wise VA a couple years ago. To get there we traveled south through the > Cumberland Gap tunnel then turned left to go up through Virginia. As we > were going through Virginia, in the early morning, the fog hung on the > mountain range that was on the left side of the road separating Virginia and > Kentucky. It was so beautiful and as usual I had the feeling of being where > my forefathers had been and traveled to get to KY. When we got to Wise, a > lovely town, found it full of people(we thought there would only be a few) > gathering at the college to hear speakers about the Melungeon heritage. > People came from everywhere across the country and we all enjoyed each other > and the area very much. We can be poor(or rich) and have a great love for > family and the areas we are from. People are just different, some could be > ashamed of their situation and it not bother others. > I personally love Wise County and think it is very rich with heritage and > should be proud. > Penny in London, KY > > ==== VAWISE Mailing List ==== > Remember: All posts go back to the list. If you wish to contact someone privately you will have to change the address > [email protected] Phyllis Morefield

I've had a query from a lady wanting to know of or correspond with descendants of Dr. Teamon Bowman, son of Uriah Bowman, of Dickenson County. She has no idea of dates, just found an old undated obit that said TEAMON BOWMAN died at DeBusk on Lick Creek of Trammel. Teamon may have had children named Emma Austin, Francis Miller, Jane Silcox, Ellen Silcox and Charles Bowman. Dick. County didn't become a country until 1880, so what county would Trammel have been a part of prior to that? BDS