This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACE/28.1.1 Message Board Post: I know what you mean by not having much luck. The Cifers/Ciphers name has been on of my brick walls. My great grand father, Ransom Rufus Cipher was born in 1840. Don't have any siblings nor parents, and am still looking. Ransom was supposed to have been born in VA. That's all I know. Good luck to you as you continue to chip away at your brick wall!!!