Ms. Mona; I am sending a copy of this to Karen in order that she may assist, if she is available. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Mona Moss To: Paul Drake Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Fw: re Irish not being Celts Mr. Drake, I am also interested in the DNA research. Information about how and where one does this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Mona J. Moss --- Paul Drake <pauldrake@charter.net> wrote: > Karen, can you help Holly, please? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Holly Bute > To: Paul Drake > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: re Irish not being Celts > > > Hello! > The DNA research is fascinating! Is that > expensive? Where does on have > such tests done? I am very curious!! > Holly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <pauldrake@charter.net> > To: <VASURRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:19 PM > Subject: Fw: Fw: re Irish not being Celts > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: re Irish not being Celts > > > > > > > > I agree with the poster, and want to add my half > "sense" (since I have no > scientific background). I had a Maternal line DNA > test taken last year, > which proved much of the research I completed on > my Lewis line. The proof > was not just in the DNA test, but in those who > contacted me. Most who > contacted me were well educated, and had completed > quite a bit of research > on their family lines. Many of the Americans > connected to me through > Virginia, and my Lewis line. > > > > The Lewis (Llewelyns) came from Breconshire and > Monmouthshire Wales. My > female ancestor came to Europe through North > Africa, and left traces of DNA > in the Basque Region of Spain, Switerland, > Germany, France, before settling > in England. They entered England about 250 AD, > 45,000 years after entering > Europe (that is a long time). There is one person > who is in Ireland that is > a DNA match, but I have not heard directly from > him. It was fascinating to > learn that my DNA is so ancient, and that it > continues to exist all over > Europe, and in North Africa. I believe there is a > lot of recessive DNA that > has yet to show up in tests. It is still > relatively new, and there is a lot > more to learn. > > > > If the Irish are not Celts then who is? > > > > Anita > > > > > > -- Paul Drake <pauldrake@CHARTER.NET> wrote: > > Because of the recent notes and URL about the > Irish likely not being > > Celts, here is a view from a lady who likely > knows more about the > > subject than most of us, and surely more than do > I. Paul > > > > Subject: re Irish not being Celts > > > > Dear Paul: Having had our family DNA in done > for the (BFOOV) - and > > we did > > the other test too for the alleles - for closest > genetic matches - it > > was > > astounding to see the matches for the Nordic > related numbers, as well > > as, > > Russian and central European, but by far, the > most matching alleles > > came > > from Icelandic peoples, which would make sense, > since the Vikings > > invaded > > these areas early on. Since I am an > anthropologist - one must > > remember that > > research without empirical data CAN be swayed to > represent ones > > ideological > > agenda! Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. > One must also ask > > "who > > paid for the research" - this is always > important in approaching the > > end > > result. Another perspective one needs to > consider, it is often > > difficult > > when doing anthropology in Ireland, because > being wood and other decay > > able > > materials - a lot of it, simply disappeared, in > addition, to having a > > inhabitable coastline, where really ancient > materials would have been > > swept > > away. What is interesting to consider, is that > steppe peoples, from > > which > > most of us descend, went out in two different > directions, those to the > > east > > and those to the west. If one would look at > the decorations, burial > > rituals and funereal items found in the steppes, > types of structure in > > clothing items, (when found) and tool > replications, along with > > ornamentation > > - you may notice a distinct similarity. I do > not doubt the validity > > of > > some of this material - I do find it hard to > believe there is no > > viable > > inclusion of "Celtic" descendancy in larger > numbers. > > > > That is just my perspective - always read > between the lines! > > > > karen > > > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe > please see the instructions > at > > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Get your name as your email address. > > Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads > and more > > Only $1.99/ month - visit > http://www.mysite.com/name today! > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== VASURRY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out the Surry County, > Virginia, Historical Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/ > List Mistress is Eve Gregory schsva2@hotmail.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the > new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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