To All: May I add my two cents worth> I have just finished reading the book " Scotch Irish a social history" by James G. Leyburn. (great book) I will quote a couple of sentences for you: Quote pg.5 National chatacter cannot be attributed to Race or to biolgical inheritance. What is distinctive in it is Attitudes of mind,strongly held custom,moral standards, and science has long since controverted the notion that these can be passed from one generation to another through biological inheritance.the literature is full of comment about celtic mysticism,excitability,and impracticality,as if celtic children did not learn these traits from infancy they are socially approved,but if they were inborn in every celt,transmitted transmitted to him through his genes. Since a large component of the Scottish stock was CELTIC, such generalizations would seem,if true, to apply to most scots ..gaelic .Lowlanders who left Scotland for Ireland between 1610 and1690 were biologically compounded of many ancestral strains while the gaelic Highlanders of that time were (as they are probably still) over whelmingly CELTIC IN ANCESTRY,this was not true of the lowlanders Fred On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:19:27 -0500 "Paul Drake" <pauldrake@charter.net> writes: > > Subject: Re: Fw: re Irish not being Celts > > > > I agree with the poster, and want to add my half "sense" (since I > have no scientific background). I had a Maternal line DNA test taken > last year, which proved much of the research I completed on my Lewis > line. The proof was not just in the DNA test, but in those who > contacted me. Most who contacted me were well educated, and had > completed quite a bit of research on their family lines. Many of > the Americans connected to me through Virginia, and my Lewis line. > > The Lewis (Llewelyns) came from Breconshire and Monmouthshire Wales. > My female ancestor came to Europe through North Africa, and left > traces of DNA in the Basque Region of Spain, Switerland, Germany, > France, before settling in England. They entered England about 250 > AD, 45,000 years after entering Europe (that is a long time). There > is one person who is in Ireland that is a DNA match, but I have not > heard directly from him. It was fascinating to learn that my DNA is > so ancient, and that it continues to exist all over Europe, and in > North Africa. I believe there is a lot of recessive DNA that has yet > to show up in tests. It is still relatively new, and there is a lot > more to learn. > > If the Irish are not Celts then who is? > > Anita > > > -- Paul Drake <pauldrake@CHARTER.NET> wrote: > Because of the recent notes and URL about the Irish likely not > being > Celts, here is a view from a lady who likely knows more about the > subject than most of us, and surely more than do I. Paul > > Subject: re Irish not being Celts > > Dear Paul: Having had our family DNA in done for the (BFOOV) - > and > we did > the other test too for the alleles - for closest genetic matches - > it > was > astounding to see the matches for the Nordic related numbers, as > well > as, > Russian and central European, but by far, the most matching alleles > came > from Icelandic peoples, which would make sense, since the Vikings > invaded > these areas early on. Since I am an anthropologist - one must > remember that > research without empirical data CAN be swayed to represent ones > ideological > agenda! Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. One must also ask > "who > paid for the research" - this is always important in approaching > the > end > result. Another perspective one needs to consider, it is often > difficult > when doing anthropology in Ireland, because being wood and other > decay > able > materials - a lot of it, simply disappeared, in addition, to having > a > inhabitable coastline, where really ancient materials would have > been > swept > away. What is interesting to consider, is that steppe peoples, > from > which > most of us descend, went out in two different directions, those to > the > east > and those to the west. If one would look at the decorations, > burial > rituals and funereal items found in the steppes, types of structure > in > clothing items, (when found) and tool replications, along with > ornamentation > - you may notice a distinct similarity. I do not doubt the > validity > of > some of this material - I do find it hard to believe there is no > viable > inclusion of "Celtic" descendancy in larger numbers. > > That is just my perspective - always read between the lines! > > karen > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get your name as your email address. > Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more > Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! > > > ==== VASURRY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out the Surry County, Virginia, Historical > Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/ > List Mistress is Eve Gregory schsva2@hotmail.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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