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Hello--I have a new e-mail address Westgatebo@msn.com please make the corrections--no problems with AOL but got a 2 year MSN subscription for my birthday so I am giving them a try---hope to hear from many of you soon--thanks Bobby-n-NC

Hello All, I am wondering if there is anyone out there on this list who might have access to Surry county, VA obits for 1919? I would really like to have a copy of the obituary for Richard R. Savedge b. Jan 2, 1840 d. Jan 27, 1919 in Elberon I believe. Or could someone advise me what the name of the newspaper would have been that would have carried it? Thanks so much, Audrey Orlando, FL

May I suggest you express your concerns to the governor, who's had to face tough choices in addressing the Commonwealth's budget shortfalls. Matt Harris http://www.governor.state.va.us/Contact/email_form.html

This is a real shame. It appears that quality of life for genealogy is going down with the rest of the economy. LVA is one of the best resources online. North Carolina won't loan anything. I'm already back beyond Tennessee in my research, so this puts a damper on things. I suppose I can't complain since I don't pay taxes in Virginia, but if someone does, maybe they should write or call their state legislature to set priorities. Our state budget in Texas is $2 billion in the red as well. Genealogy may have to take a back seat for a while, unless the quiet folks speak up. Mark Teresa wrote: > Budget cuts and other financial woes at the Library of VA result in > the loss of many services, including the Digital Library Program: > > http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whoweare/events/reducsummary.htm > > > > > ==== VASURRY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out the Surry County, Virginia, Historical Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/Index.html > List Mistress is Eve Gregory egregory20@earthlink.net > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Budget cuts and other financial woes at the Library of VA result in the loss of many services, including the Digital Library Program: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whoweare/events/reducsummary.htm

Lazarus Drake was 1 of the three (3) Constables of Surry, and then of Sussex when that county was carved from Surry in 1752. He took the tithables of Sussex on August 1, 1755 for the area near Sussex Courthouse and on Nottoway and Blackwater rivers in that immediate area. He was paid 211 lbs. of tobacco for taking the list. The "tythables" were as follows, and in the order and spelling in which he made his notes: "David Hines, 4; Peter Hines, 5; Richard Hines, 3; William Edmonds, 4; John Wesdon, 1; Isaac Seeburn, 2; Thomas Renn, 4; John Cargel's estate, 25; James Chappell, Sr., 11; William Hines, Sr., 14; Joshua Hines, 3; William Hines, Jr., 7; James Renn, 7(?); Thomas Peters, Jr., 5(probably); Thomas Peters, Sr., 5; John Hunt, 7; George Wych, 8; William Parker, 7; William Johnston 3(probably); John Mason, Sr., 4; Nathan Warrinton, 2; Elizabeth Chappell, 2; John Chappell, 1; Rubin Cook, 2; Robbert Jones, 7; James Jones, 6; David Jones, 2; William Hall, 11; James Chappell, Jr., 6; John Edmonds, 4; Sarah Parker, 6; Benjamin Clements, 2; Thomas Hines, 8; Samuel Peet, 5." Paul

Greetings All! The Surry County, VA, Historical Society web site has some new information that may interest you. We have posted a photograph of two Confederate Veterans, Samuel Wilson and Joseph Green. We would like to hear from anyone who knows anything about these two men. We've also posted updated photos of our Rogers Store project showing restoration progress. And for those interested in the Surrey, England, trip, there is a new page of Surrey, England, links. All of these links are on the What's New page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/ Enjoy! -- Eve S. Gregory, Historian and Director Virginia Foundation for Archaeological Research, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavfar/ Frances Bland Randolph Chapter, NSDAR, VIS Chairman http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrcdar/ Visit my home page for history and genealogy links! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~eve368g/

Looking for info on Susan E. Edwards, listed in the 1840 Surry Co, VA, federal census. She is listed as head of household, age 20-30, along with a male, age 20-30, and another female, age 20-30. Looking for my GGgrandmother Susan Edwards, born in VA, 1812.

Janet wrote again: >....kept his papers all folded up in....The documents were all folded several times over and jammed in so tight that many have or are in danger of ripping at the folds. I have opened everything up, and am in the process of putting them in plastic, .... I have so many that purchasing plastic sleeves is incredibly expensive and I am for the moment doubling them up.... Janet ...should have added; Preserving old documents #### I responded: In that case, you can buy .004 or .005 acid free mylar in rolls very reasonably from Action Plastics 1-800-622-4748) in MN; They are great to do business with and they also sell acid free while cardboard backing for spreading out your documents and papers. To straighten yours out, simply buy a small bottle of "distilled water" from your grocer, dampen a rag, and gently wipe the creases in the back until those are moist. The paper will straighten out quickly, then lay it out to completely dry. I usually weight the edges of the document in order that it not roll back up. I too have hundreds of such paper mementos and newspapers and have virtually all of those in plastic sleeves and sprayed. Paul

I keep all my paper mementos/artifacts in clear plastic sleeves and in a poplar chest lined with acid free paper; do not use walnut, pine, cherry or oak, as those are high in acid content, or so says my archivist friend. The chest is kept in the coolest and driest part of the house. ---- Original Message -----

Leslie asked: ....we found some old sheet music that my grandmother had written in 1951. All this time it has just been laying in a drawer. I really want to preserve it, but have no idea what I should be doing. ...I live on the Oregon coast which is very damp. Any help will be greatly appreciated. ##### Your immediate problems are 2 in number. Those are a) exposure to the elements, especially moisture and the sun, and b) the need that paper materials be de-acidified and maintained in that pH state. There are several products on the market in the form of archival plastic from which you can make sleeves and acid free folders, envelopes, etc., in which you items may be stored for a lifetime. There also are aerosol sprays and dips that will neutralize the pH content in the paper. You should ask your library for permission to look at their archival materials catalogs, and order what you need. I do that to EVERY paper and photo in my collection, although I do proceed slowly to save the expense all in one lump sum. Here is a URL if you need to order on line instead. http://talasonline.com/ Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl and Leslie Williams ....we found some old sheet music that my grandmother had written in 1951. All this time it has just been laying in a drawer. I really want to preserve it, but have no idea what I should be doing. The size of the paper is longer than legal paper. I live on the Oregon coast which is very damp.

Another Savage/Savedge/Savidge line from Surry Co, VA to NC (see outline below) Sorry I don't have dates for a lot of these yet and there may be some errors. I am trying to find out how this Robert Savidge who died in Surry Co, VA in 1698 was related to my line: Unknown Savidge (possibly Henry)> William Savidge b. ? Surry Co, VA d. 1777 in Surry Co, Va. m. Sarah Unknown> James H. Savidge/Savedge/Savage b. abt 1765/6 Surry Co, VA d. 1834 Edgecombe Co, NC m. Unknown> James H. Savedge/Savage b@1810 Surry Co, VA d.? m. Catherine "Kate" Barfield> George Acrile Savage b. 1846 Edgecombe Co, NC d. 1916 Halifax Co, NC...... Audrey Orlando, FL Descendants of Robert Savidge 1 Robert Savidge - 1697/98 .. +Mary ......... 2 Lovelis Savidge - 1729 ............. +Unknown Unknown .................... 3 Robert Savage - 1790 ........................ +Elizabeth ............................... 4 Warren John Savage - 1814 ................................... +Frances Hatton - 1845 ........................................... 5 Austin/Alston Savage - 1859 ............................................... +Dolly Parker - 1870 ...................................................... 6 John Henry Savage - 1917 .......................................................... +Pennina Savage - 1917 ................................................................. 7 Job Kitchen Savage 1881 - ..................................................................... +Florence C Felton 1885 - ................................................................. *2nd Wife of Job Kitchen Savage: ..................................................................... +Pat Walker ................................................................. 7 Theresa A. Savage 1879 - 1967 ..................................................................... +William Horace Davenport 1879 - 1927 ...................................................... *2nd Wife of John Henry Savage: .......................................................... +Sallie Ann Unknown ...................................................... *3rd Wife of John Henry Savage: .......................................................... +Nannie Kitchen ...................................................... 6 Emily Savage ...................................................... 6 Frances E Savage .......................................................... +William R Cherry ................................................................. 7 Robert Cherry ................................................................. 7 Austin Cherry ................................................................. 7 Julia B Cherry ................................................................. 7 Joe Cherry ...................................................... 6 Richard A Savage ...................................................... 6 Frederick L Savage .......................................................... +Pat Downing ...................................................... 6 William Robert Savage .......................................................... +Lois Emily Burnette ................................................................. 7 William Austin Savage ................................................................. 7 Mary Mollie Savage ................................................................. 7 Simmons Burnette Savage ................................................................. 7 Georgianna Savage ................................................................. 7 Austin Robert Savage ................................................................. 7 Julia Eva Savage ................................................................. 7 Elmer Savage ................................................................. 7 Lillian Savage ................................................................. 7 Phoebe Ophelia Savage ................................................................. 7 Laura Savage ...................................................... 6 Joseph Lloyd Savage .......................................................... +Ophelia Knight ................................................................. 7 Alma Ophelia Savage ................................................................. 7 Leia Savage ................................................................. 7 Ruth Savage ................................................................. 7 Marie Savage ................................................................. 7 William Parks Savage ................................................................. 7 Ida Savage ...................................................... *2nd Wife of Joseph Lloyd Savage: .......................................................... +Anne Davis ........................................... 5 Warren Savage, Jr ............................................... +Wealtha Boyd ...................................................... 6 Margaret Elizabeth Savage ...................................................... 6 Jesse Thomas Savage ...................................................... 6 Lucinda Savage ...................................................... 6 William Savage ...................................................... 6 Bythel Savage ...................................................... 6 Anne Savage ...................................................... 6 Wiltha Savage ...................................................... 6 Calvin Savage ........................................... *2nd Wife of Warren Savage, Jr: ............................................... +Ruth ........................................... 5 Lemuel Savage ............................................... +Tabith Long ...................................................... 6 Frances Savage ........................................... 5 Elizabeth Savage ............................................... +John Sherrod ...................................................... 6 Robert Wilson Sherrod ...................................................... 6 Frances Sherrod ............................... 4 Britton Savage - 1789 ................................... +Sylviah Norris ........................................... 5 Kitchen Savage ............................................... +Peggy Adams ...................................................... 6 Britton Savage ...................................................... 6 Alan Savage ...................................................... 6 Britanna Savage ...................................................... 6 Sherrod Savage ...................................................... 6 Kitchen Savage ...................................................... 6 William Henry Savage .......................................................... +Sallie Ann Savage ........................................... 5 Allen Savage ............................................... +Sarah Haynes ........................................... 5 Wiltha Savage ............................................... +Unknown Nowels ........................................... 5 Asenath Savage ............................................... +Eli Howell ........................................... 5 Asunol Savage ........................................... 5 Brittania Savage ............................... 4 Sterling Savage - 1794 ................................... +Susanna Unknown ........................................... 5 Sterling King Savage ........................................... 5 Jesse Savage ........................................... 5 Lovelace Savage ............................................... +Susan Dickens ........................................... 5 Elizabeth Savage ........................................... 5 Brittania Savage ............................... 4 Robert Savage - 1796 ................................... +Rhoda Savage ........................................... 5 Mary Savage ........................................... 5 Rhoda Savage ........................................... 5 William Savage ............................... 4 NannaHunt Savage ................................... +Henry Kentz ............................... 4 Betsy Savage ................................... +Unknown Smith ............................... 4 Juduah (Lucy?)Savage ................................... +James Evans .................... 3 Lovelis Savage - 1786 ........................ +Mary ............................... 4 William Savage .................... 3 Britton Savage - 1789 ........................ +Selviah ............................... 4 Kitchen Savage ............................... 4 Allen Savage ............................... 4 Bertha Savage ......... 2 Charles Savidge - 1713 ............. +Elizabeth Unknown *2nd Wife of Robert Savidge: .. +Unknown Unknown ......... 2 Robert Savidge

I found something in this book that might be of interest: page 43 and 62 Quote: "Musters of the Inhabitants in Virginia 1624/1625" (in Annie Lash Jester and Martha Woodruff Hiden's "Adventures of Purse and Person: Virginia, 1607-1625 [Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1956[, pages 5-69) [Lancour No. 210] The following list is actually taken from the second edition of 1964, copyright by the Order of the First Families of Virginia, and reference must be made to this work to ascertain what additional information is readily available therein. long list........ page 62 of this list Robart Savadge ship name: Elzabeth date 1621 (these are not typo's on my part-this is what the book has. It does not say where the ship came from or where in Virginia it landed) Could this be the same Robert Savedge/Savidge/Savage who died in Surry Co, VA in 1698 or his son? page 63 Thomas Savage ship name: John and Francis date 1607 Ann Savage ship name: Sea Flower date 1621 I do not have access to the other books mentioned --wish I did. Did find this site of interest: America's First Families http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/ and http://www.firstfamilies.org/db/25.htm---scroll down to Savidge, Robert Thomas is also on the list as Savage http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/req.htm Audrey Fettehoff Orlando, FL

Hmm, there's that Jacob Darden again. Dixon also. Don't I recognize them from Surry Co. records? -Mark [Will of Michael Murphry, 2 Jul 1743, Isle of Wight Co. VA] [Wills and Accounts, Vol. 5, 1745-1752, pp. 61, 62, Reel 24] [transcribed by Mark A. Murphy, 25 Sep 2002] 61 [end of will of William Cocksey presented by John Cocksey] In the Name of God Amen, I Michael Murphry of the County of Isle of Wight in Virginia being weak in Body and perfect Sence and Memory doth make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth. Imprimis. I give my Soul to God my maker and Redeemer and Secondly my Body to the Earth from whence it came to be Decently buried after a Christianlike manner. And the rest of my Estate which God hath given me I Dispose as followeth. Item. I give to my Son John Murphery all my Land that I am now poSseSs't with that lies on the West side of the Cedar Branch, And also I give him my Horse Bridle & Saddle; And my ball faced Ox for to pay my Debts with. And also two broad pewter Dishes, and two leather Chairs, and a Ewe, and also my wearing Cloaths. Item. I give to my Daughter Elizabeth Dixon a Ewe and a broad pewter Dish, and a broad Horn Heifer witha short tail. Item. I give to my Daughter Mary Murphery the Bed that I now lie on & Bolster and Bedstead and a Rug and a Blanket and a Sheet that belongs to the same.- Item. Now the rest of my moveable Estate I give to my three Daughters Mary Murphery and Sarah Murphery & Elender Murphery to be equally Divided between them. Item. I give to my Grand son Michael Murphery my plantation that I now live on and all my Land that lies on the East side of the Cedar Branch to have it properly his own after the Decease of his three Aunts or the Marriage of them Mary and Sarah & Elender Murphery, and he shall not 62 not debar them from living at the Manour plantation & having[?] what they can Tend of the Ground and to have it about the House and not to be turned off to Tend out in the Woods or Old Fields and for them not to debar him from working and Clearing on the Land.- And there was a Heifer that I had of Mary Sikes I Desire that may be paid out of my Stock before it is Divided and not for the Executor to pay that out of his own Stock- And I do appoint my son John Murphery to be my whole and sole Executor to see this my last Will and Testament fulfilled As WitneSs my Hand and Seal this Second day of July.- 1743. John Garnes, B. Beal} Michael his M mark Murphery At a Court held for Isle of Wight County May 14: 1747.~ The last Will and Testament of Michael Murphery Deced~ was this day proved by the Oath of Jacob Darden Richard Matthews and Ann Marshall and Ordered to be Recorded~ TeSt Jas. Baker CCler [followed by will of Mary Wrenn] [end of file]

Also, for anyone interested, I posted images of the will pages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~freshnup/markmurph/images/4.2.7Ma.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~freshnup/markmurph/images/4.2.7Mb.jpg The second page (looks like Latin) is extra large for your viewing pleasure. I know its not right, but mid-way down the first page, it still appears like he desires his son Showry to be killed at his funerall (what a rotten kid- ha). I'm CC'ing Isle of W. & Surry because of my Simon Murphey from there, probably not related. Any names recognized by you guys (esp. Davenport?). Mark

This was a very tough one to transcribe. Some in Latin, I think. This is not the final interpretation, because obviously he didn't want his son killed at his funeral, but that what it seems to say at this point. Will get a magnifying glass & spend more time on it-Mark [Will of Simon Murphey, 27 Aug 1673, Lancaster Co. VA] [Bundle of Loose Records, Library of Virginia, pp. 113 & 114] In the name of god Amen I Simon Murphey being [weaken?] in body but in perfect memory blesed by god I make my last will and testament in manor and formd as following. [Angivio?] I bequeath unto John Dabenport Junor two [sorels?] the one called pic[?] and the other called billy and [there in ordered flow & son?] Item I give unto George Dabenport one horse[?] by the name of Jason and two [then sauler and the used Gutridge for time?] Item I give unto George [?Part?] one son saulfo whiskie at Mr Lawson Item if give unto John Dabenport [forever my two ouwest jhands?] Item I give unto John Dabenport foreve my furlong of two hundred and forty acres of Land Item it is my desire that my son called by the name of Showry may be killed att my funerall Item G I do ordain and uppoye John [Dabenport?] forever my lawfull Exctor finally [Fedor son jasmu] this to be my last will and testament utterly denouncing all other wills and testament whatsoever as witness my hand and seale this 27th August Signed sealed and Delivered Simon US Murphey in the presents of Us his marke Robert + Sadge ani fualo George O Portux[?] his marke [Looks like Latin- probatus suit huminmodi tostus p& anum noble gadges of Georgi Lortisi ni our lomi lani & sid Lofi Aodin- Jese &Y do oarle & r lauftis]

No more after this. You now know more about death, etc., than anyone needs to know. :) Paul MOURNING IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY: AN OVERVIEW http://users.erols.com/va42nd/mourning.html

Some good sites, thanks to Charlotte from TX. Sickness and Death in the Old South http://www.tngenweb.org/darkside/ BURIAL CUSTOMS AND CEMETERIES IN AMERICAN HISTORY http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/cem2.htm Burial Customs in the 1st Millennium A.D. http://tanwayour.calafia.org/burial.html Antebellum Louisiana: Disease,Death, and Mourning http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/cabildo/cab8a.htm

Last one. "Life Signals" An interesting, somewhat bizarre, but nevertheless important, image in the minds of people during the 19th century was the horrifying prospect of being buried alive. The foundation for such morbid preoccupation stems from an earlier period of great plagues and epidemics when, in the frenzied haste of disposing of the dead, the stricken might well be mistaken for the dead. As early as 1843, "life signals" coffins were being patented. The earliest (1843) to be patented came from the drawing board of Christian Eisenbrandt, of Baltimore, MD. His invention was designed, by an arrangement of wires and pins and a spring lid to enable the occupant of the coffin, by the slightest movement of the hand or head, to cause the coffin lid to spring open. While Eisenbrandt's life-preserving coffin obviously had the utility only before the coffin was buried in the earth, the next four similar devices to appear in the patent files were designed to operate even after the body was interred. The first of these, invented in 1868 by Franz Vester of Newark, New Jersey, consisted of a square tube containing a ladder and a cord, one end of which was placed in the hand of the person laid in the coffin, while the other extended up to a bell on top of the tube, which was attached to the head of the coffin. More improvement in Life-Detectors coffins came in 1871. As far as present research has been able to ascertain, these inventions did not provoke more than a ripple of attention from the world of undertaking and funeral service, and it is doubtful if any were marketed. Reprinted by permission of N.F.D.A. Fumigator This formaldehyde gas generator fumigator, which is also known as the "keyhole fumigator", was part of the undertaker's equipment used in the home. The generator consisted of a stout copper retort (a heavy copper ball) of one-gallon capacity, with funnel-shaped tube and level indicator, so that the operator could readily see the formaldehyde when it was running low in the retort. The outlet tube was of large bore, communicating by means of a special flexible tube with another small brass tube, which was inserted through the keyhole of the room to be disinfected. This was the undertaker's tool, weighing six pounds when emptied and nine-and-a-half pounds when filled for use. It was the most practical lamp ever produced for the undertaker to disinfect the room where contagious diseases had been. It sold for $25, case included. e