[Church Petition to the Legislature, Albermarle Parish, Sussex Co. VA, 8 Nov 1780] [transcribed by Norma McGarrey, 26 Jan 2003] 1780 November 8 Sussex County To the Honourable the General Assembly of Virginia The Petition of Sundry the Vestrymen of the Parish of Albarmarle in the County of Sussex, humbly shareth(?) That your Petitioners humbly beg that the (?) Vestry maybe disposed(?) and a new one chose, as the present members are greatly remiss in the duties of their office from which many inconveniences have arisen and ? may arise hereafter that there is but one member of that body that was chosen(?) by the freeholders of ? Parish of your petitioners as is duty (?) bound shall ever pray ____(?) George Booth John Peters Nath Dunn Tom(?) Gibbons Janis(?) George Rivers John Mason Robrt Jones Henry Gee Nick? Blood?

1785 October 28  Isle Of Wight County, Virginia (mistakenly typed North Carolina on the first post) [transcribed by Audrey Fetterhoff Jan 24, 2003 with many thanks to Mark Murphy] To the Honorable; the Speaker and Gentlemen of the House of Delegates. The petition of the Inhabitants of the County humbly Sheweth: That whereas it has pleased your honorable House to Publish a Bill obliging the Inhabitants of this Commonwealth to pay the Teachers of the Christian Religion and have required you their opinions concerning it: your Petitioners do therefore most earnestly Declare against it; believing it to be contrary to the Spirit of the Gospel, and the Bill of Rights. Certain it is that the blessed Author of our Religion supported and maintained his Gospel in the World for several hundred years, not only without Aid of civil power, but against all the powers of the Earth. The excellent purity of its Precepts, and the unblamiable Behavior of its Ministers (with the divine Blessing) made its way through all opposition. Neither was it the better for the Church when Constantine first established Christianity by human Laws,, tho' there was rest from Persecution for some time; but how soon was the Church overrun with Error, Superstition, and Immorality, how unlike were Ministers then to what they were in time past, both in Orthodoxy of principle and purity. But it is Said that Religion has taken it's flight and that Deism with its Baneful Influence is spreading itself over the State; if so, it is owing to other causes, and not for want of religious Establishment. Let your Laws punish the vices and Immoralities of the Times; and let there not be wanting such Men, (placed in Authority) who by their pious Examples, shall Recommend Religion, and by their Faithfulness, Scourge the Vices of the Age. Let Ministers manifest to the World that they are inwardly moved by the holy Ghost to take upon them that Office; that they seek the good of mankind, and not Worldy Interest. Let their Doctrine be Scriptural and their lives upright; then shall Religion, (if departed) speedily Return with it's bright Influence, and Deism put to open Shame, and its dreaded Consequences speedily removed. But what valuable purpose would such Assesment Answer? Would it introduce any more Useful and faithful Men into the Ministerial Office? Surely not! Those whom divine Grace hath called to that Work, will never Esteem it their highest Honour to do his Pleasurte: On the contrary it might call in many hirelings whose chief Motive would be temporal Gain. That Religion, Establishment and Government are linked together, and that the latter cannot stand without the former, is something new. Witness the State of Pennsylvania wherein no such Establishment hath  ? place; their Government stands firm; and which of the neighboring States has better Members, of Brighter and more upright Characters? That it is against our Bill of Rights, which Says "all Men by nature are born equally free"; so no person in this common Wealth shall Enjoy Exclusive privilagis, or Emmoluments except for services rendered the State; shall not then, those who are not professors of the Christian Religion, who ware in this State at the passing of this Bill, and others who have been invited since by the benefits held out when they shall be obliged to support the Christian Religion, think such obligation to be a departure from the Spirit and meaning of it? Finally, if such Tax is against the Spirit of the Gospel, if Christ for several hundred years, not only without aid of civil Power, but against all the powers of the World supported it, if Establishment has never been a Means of prospering the Gospel, if No more faithful Men would be call'd into the Ministry by it, if it wou'd not revive decayed Religion, and stop the groth of Deism, nor serve the purpose of Government, and if against the Bill of Rights, which your petitioners believe; they trust the Wisdom and Uprightness of your hounerable House, will have them entirely Free in matters of Religion, and the manner of supporting their Ministers. And they shall ever pray. Thomas Mangum David Jansen Wm Barlow John Wimble John Gay James Barlow James Cephas John Williamson Solomon Jam ? Williamson Ben Adking Wm Patterson John Lord B????? Edwards Willis Wills M???lwood Delk/Dolk Jas Pars??l Robert Wall John Allen Samuel Johnson Hugh Montgomery O?son Adkins Josiah Duck James Doford Jesse Croaker Samuel Law??ness Jesse Williamson Micajah Munford Thos Gwin Wm  ?? Henry Wimble Wm Johnson Wm Jordan? Wm St?li?me Wm Robertson Wm Allison Solloman Gwaltney Solomon Cane Jas/Jos Wimble Edward Gray Lott Griffin James Bedgood Hardy Cane Wm Gay Phillp Thomas? Wm Gunn John Cane Benj Stringfield John Thomas? Wm Parker Rich James? Moody Thomason John Owing Robt Mangum Jesse Thomason Wm Duck Simon Adking Geo Barlor Eliazor Butler Benjamin Jones John Clanke Absolum Birch Wm ? Obediah Johnson Saml Edwards J ames Laspar Abram Cane Wm Brock ???? scribbled out Thomas B? Rich Bradshaw James Carnell Willis Brantley Thomas Johnson B? Wimble Abram Jones Robert Duck David Thompson Jas B? Robert Tanner ?? Jesse Larson Shadrack Griffin Henry Baker? Wm O???? Mill? Cane James Gwaltney Benj Ward Jacob Duck Benj Goodings Jonathan ? Elias Edwards Benj Bradshaw Wm Moody James Johnson Thomas Bound? Joseph Tamlor James Brett Demsey Cane/Carr Wm Whitley Elisha Carr Robert Edwards John Duck Wm Edwards Elias Owing Thomas Smith Thomas Johnson Brasy Whitley John B?? Jos Powell Philip Moody Geo Mackey Jesse Mackey James Johnson John Philips Wm Gay Jr Jacob Edwards John English Michael Murphey Jas Moody Drury Philips Wm Gay Saml Melsor John Wodkin James ? Thomas Bivel Demsey Marshall James Allwood Nathl Stephenson John Smith Wm Bra?ey ohn Jordan Jas Pope Thomas Daviss Elij Johnson E?a?orsditus But??e Arnold Powell Wm Blunt Back cover: Isle of Wight Pct Oct 28 1785 Ref To whole ??? ?? from the establishment of Isle of Wight Lots of familiar names. Hope this helps some. I am particularly interested in the John and Drury Philips listed and wonder if they are connected to my Philips line in Halifax Co, NC...William>John> John... Audrey Fetterhoff

1785 October 28 Isle Of Wight County, North Carolina [transcribed by Audrey Fetterhoff Jan 24, 2003 with many thanks to Mark Murphy] To the Honorable; the Speaker and Gentlemen of the House of Delegates. The petition of the Inhabitants of the County humbly Sheweth: That whereas it has pleased your honorable House to Publish a Bill obliging the Inhabitants of this Commonwealth to pay the Teachers of the Christian Religion and have required you their opinions concerning it: your Petitioners do therefore most earnestly Declare against it; believing it to be contrary to the Spirit of the Gospel, and the Bill of Rights. Certain it is that the blessed Author of our Religion supported and maintained his Gospel in the World for several hundred years, not only without Aid of civil power, but against all the powers of the Earth. The excellent purity of its Precepts, and the unblamiable Behavior of its Ministers (with the divine Blessing) made its way through all opposition. Neither was it the better for the Church when Constantine first established Christianity by human Laws,, tho' there was rest from Persecution for some time; but how soon was the Church overrun with Error, Superstition, and Immorality, how unlike were Ministers then to what they were in time past, both in Orthodoxy of principle and purity. But it is Said that Religion has taken it's flight and that Deism with its Baneful Influence is spreading itself over the State; if so, it is owing to other causes, and not for want of religious Establishment. Let your Laws punish the vices and Immoralities of the Times; and let there not be wanting such Men, (placed in Authority) who by their pious Examples, shall Recommend Religion, and by their Faithfulness, Scourge the Vices of the Age. Let Ministers manifest to the World that they are inwardly moved by the holy Ghost to take upon them that Office; that they seek the good of mankind, and not Worldy Interest. Let their Doctrine be Scriptural and their lives upright; then shall Religion, (if departed) speedily Return with it's bright Influence, and Deism put to open Shame, and its dreaded Consequences speedily removed. But what valuable purpose would such Assesment Answer? Would it introduce any more Useful and faithful Men into the Ministerial Office? Surely not! Those whom divine Grace hath called to that Work, will never Esteem it their highest Honour to do his Pleasurte: On the contrary it might call in many hirelings whose chief Motive would be temporal Gain. That Religion, Establishment and Government are linked together, and that the latter cannot stand without the former, is something new. Witness the State of Pennsylvania wherein no such Establishment hath ? place; their Government stands firm; and which of the neighboring States has better Members, of Brighter and more upright Characters? That it is against our Bill of Rights, which Says "all Men by nature are born equally free"; so no person in this common Wealth shall Enjoy Exclusive privilagis, or Emmoluments except for services rendered the State; shall not then, those who are not professors of the Christian Religion, who ware in this State at the passing of this Bill, and others who have been invited since by the benefits held out when they shall be obliged to support the Christian Religion, think such obligation to be a departure from the Spirit and meaning of it? Finally, if such Tax is against the Spirit of the Gospel, if Christ for several hundred years, not only without aid of civil Power, but against all the powers of the World supported it, if Establishment has never been a Means of prospering the Gospel, if No more faithful Men would be call'd into the Ministry by it, if it wou'd not revive decayed Religion, and stop the groth of Deism, nor serve the purpose of Government, and if against the Bill of Rights, which your petitioners believe; they trust the Wisdom and Uprightness of your hounerable House, will have them entirely Free in matters of Religion, and the manner of supporting their Ministers. And they shall ever pray. Thomas Mangum David Jansen Wm Barlow John Wimble John Gay James Barlow James Cephas John Williamson Solomon Jam ? Williamson Ben Adking Wm Patterson John Lord B????? Edwards Willis Wills M???lwood Delk/Dolk Jas Pars??l Robert wall John Allen Samuel Johnson Hugh Montgomery O?son Adkins Josiah Duck James Doford Jesse Croaker Samuel Law??ness Jesse Williamson Micajah Munford Thos Gwin Wm ?? Henry Wimble Wm Johnson Wm Jordan? Wm St?li?me Wm Robertson Wm Allison Solloman Gwaltney Solomon Cane Jas/Jos Wimble Edward Gray Lott Griffin James Bedgood Hardy Cane Wm Gay Phillp Thomas? Wm Gunn John Cane Benj Stringfield John Thomas? Wm Parker Rich James? Moody Thomason John Owing Robt Mangum Jesse Thomason Wm Duck Simon Adking Geo Barlor Eliazor Butler Benjamin Jones John Clanke Absolum Birch Wm ? Obediah Johnson Saml Edwards James Laspar Abram Cane Wm Brock ???? scribbled out Thomas B? Rich Bradshaw James Carnell Willis Brantley Thomas Johnson B? Wimble Abram Jones Robert Duck David Thompson Jas B? Robert Tanner ?? Jesse Larson Shadrack Griffin Henry Baker? Wm O???? Mill? Cane James Gwaltney Benj Ward Jacob Duck Benj Goodings Jonathan ? Elias Edwards Benj Bradshaw Wm Moody James Johnson Thomas Bound? Joseph Tamlor James Brett Demsey Cane/Carr Wm Whitley Elisha Carr Robert Edwards John Duck Wm Edwards Elias Owing Thomas Smith Thomas Johnson Brasy Whitley John B?? Jos Powell Philip Moody Geo Mackey Jesse Mackey James Johnson John Philips Wm Gay Jr Jacob Edwards John English Michael Murphey Jas Moody Drury Philips Wm Gay Saml Melsor John Wodkin James ? Thomas Bivel Demsey Marshall James Allwood Nathl Stephenson John Smith Wm Bra?ey John Jordan Jas Pope Thomas Daviss Elij Johnson E?a?orsditus But??e Arnold Powell Wm Blunt Back cover: Isle of Wight Pct Oct 28 1785 Ref To whole ??? ?? from the establishment of Isle of Wight Lots of familiar names. Hope this helps some. I am particularly interested in the John and Drury Philips listed and wonder if they are connected to my Philips line in Halifax Co, NC...William>John> John... Audrey Fetterhoff

I need a Hening's Statutes of Virginia citation, specifically Volume 8, p. 130. Supposedly this has information on Richard Murphy & William Byrd I. Thanks in advance, Mark

Thanks very much! I learned something today. I'll correct the file and send this out. Mark Esims4@aol.com wrote: > Thank you for posting the information. Thought you might like to > know the word should be 'glebe' land. This, the way I understand it, was > what the church land was called. > J.H.

I went ahead and transcribed this one since it had a Murphree.- mm [Church Petition to the Legislature, Nansemond Co. VA, 20 Nov 1778] [transcribed by Mark A. Murphy, 22 Jan 2003] The the Honourable the speaker & Delegates of Virginia met in General ASsembly The petition fo the Vestry & other inhabitants of the upper Parish of Nansemond County humbly sheweth~ That the Globe[?] in the said Parish is considered totally unfit for the reception of a Clergyman by the principal HouSes thereas Def.[?] this Dwelling house & Kitchen being consum'd by fire. & that it would be very inconvenient & at this time very expensive to build proper houses in the said Globe[Glade?] for this use of a Minister. And your Petitioners further shew that improvisions of an Act of Assembly in that behalf made, the Vestry of the said Parish did purchase a Lot of Land & thereon did rest[?] & build a house in the Town of Suffolk in the County aforesaid as a work house for the acceptance of the face[?] of the said Parish which workhouse has been found by experience not to answer the good purposes expected from it. May it therefore please this Honourable house that a Law may be proposed informing the Vestry of the said Parish to sell the said Gleb[?]. & Work house with the Land thereto belonging by publick Auction for the most that can be got for them & to apply the money arising from such sale to the neceSsary uSes of the said Parish & your Petitioners will we pray &c [apparent actual signatures- some difficult to decipher-mm] John Driver} Church Wardens Jn.a Brickell} Henry Reddick| Vestry Men Josiah Reddick| Willis Reddick| Christopher Roberts| John Coles Jun| Ben Baker jr| Saml Colson| Jeremiah Godwin| John Riddick| James Winborne James Copeland John Best John Riddick Moses Riddick Jun Elish Ashburn William King Wills Congren Thomas Walker John Everitt George Yearling William Whitlock John James Daniel Riddick Hundy[?] Rawls Henry[?] Wilims[?] Wm Cowpers Richd. W. Godwin John Rawls Daniel Bird Edw Baker William Wright Willm Webb John King Lewis[?] Harrell Edwd Riddick David Howell James Bates Thos Willis Michael Howell Peter Butler Thos Smith Joseph Baker Fran. Powell Peter Green James Murphree Francis Powell Junr. Thos Nelmes Peter Ashburn Wm. Turner Will Hughes[?] Abraham Ballard John Giles Stephen Hawkins John Miles- Henery Griffin Joseph LaSsiter John Nerney [next page] Daniel Hollom Samuel[or Lemuel] Robsy[?] Jacob Henderson Wm. Lukel[?] Jacob Collier Nic. Powers[?] Herman[?] Side[?] John Nice[?] [next page] Rader Booth Petn. upper Parish John Baser[?] Nansemond ref James [Gwalker?] to Religion Wm. Baker X 20th Nov. 1778. Robertt Riddick Nov. 27th 1778. James Pugh Reasonable as to the Ezekias Riddick proposal of the workhouse John Jinkins & Rejected as to the other Harrison Allmand part of the Petition Robert Owens James Parney Joseph Skinner[?] Willem Melter Wm. Bird Jonathan Duke Danl. March Zorobabel RoSs Jacob Lawrence James Stallings

I forgot to mention that I have the following images also. I'll send them to you if you will volunteer to transcribe them and post them back to the list group: Albermarle parish, Sussex Co., 8 Nov 1780 (short) Isle of Wight Co., 28 Oct 1785 Nansemond Co. 20 Nov 1778

[Church Petition to the Legislature, Southampton Co. VA, 29 Nov 1785] [transcribed by Mark A. Murphy, 22 Jan 2003] To the Hounerable[sic], the Speaker & Gentlemen of the House of Delegates~ The Petition of the Inhabitants of the County of Southampton humbly sheweth That whereas it has pleased your hounerable House to publish "A Bill obliging the Inhabitants of this common Wealth to pay the Teachers of the christian Religion, and have required their Opinion conserning it, we your Petitioners therefore, do most earnestly declare against it; believing it to be contrary to the Spirit of the Gospel & the Bill of Rights. Certain it is, that the bleSsed Author of our Religion supported & Maintained his Gospel in the World for several hundred years, not only without the Aid of civil Power, but against all the powers of the Earth; the excellent purity of its precepts, & the unblamable behaviour of its Ministers, (with the divine BleSsing,) made its way through all Opposition; nor was it the better for the Church, when Constantine first Established Christianity by human Laws, tho' there was Rest awhile from Prosecution. But how soon was the Church overrun with Error, Superstition, & Immorality? How unlike were Ministers then, to what they were in Times past, both in Orthodoxy of Principle & purity of Life? But i is Said that Religion has taken its Rights and that Derision, with its baneful Influence is spreading itself over the State; if so, it must be owing to other Causes, and not for want of Religious Establishment.~ Let your Laws punish the Vices of Immoralities of the Times, & let there not be wanting such Men placed in Authority, who by their pious Examples shall recommend Religion; & by their FaithfulneSs, shall Scurge the growing Vices of the Age.- Let Ministers manifest to their Hearers, that they are inwardly moved by the holy Ghost, to take them that savord[?] Office; that they seek the good of Mankind, & not Worldly Interest; let their Doctrine be TeriSstrial, & their Lives upright; then Shall Religion (if [next page] depicted[?]) speedily[?] return, and Deism[?] be part to open Shrine, and its dreaded Consequences removed. - But what unleashable passion won't such ASsignment Answer? Won't it introduce any more useful & faithful Men into the Ministry: surely not; these whom divine grace hath called to that Work will esteem it their highest Honour to do his Pleasure; On the contrary it may call in many Hirelings whose chief motive is temporal Interest. That religious Establishment and Government are linked together & that the latter cannot Stand without the former, is something new. WitneSs the State of Pennsylvania wherein no such Establishment has taken place; their Government stands Firm; and which of the neighbouring States, have better Members, of brighter Morals, and more upright Characters: That it is against our Bill of Rights, which says "All Men by Nature are equally Free, &c, And "That no Man, or set of Men, are intitled to Exclusive or separate Enrolements or Privileges from the Community, but in consideration of Publick Services.- Will not those then who are not profeSsors of the Christian Religion, who were in the State at the paSsing the Bill of Rights, and others who have been Invited since by the Benefits held out in that Bill, (where they shall be obliged to Support a Religion they do not Believe) think such Obligation, or Departure from the Spirit & meaning of it? - Finally if such Tax is against the Spirit of the Gospel, if Christ for several hundred years; not only without the aid of civil Power, but against all the Powers of the World supported it. If Establishment Law has never been a means of prospering the Gospel; if no more faithful Men would be called into the Ministry by it; if it would not Revive decayed Religion and stop the Growth of Deism, or serve the purpose of Government; and if against the Bill of Rights? which you Petitioners believe; they Trust the Wisdom and UprightneSs of your honourable House, will leave them entirely free in Matters of Religion, & the manner of Supporting its Ministers. - and they shall ever pray. &c. - [next page] David Barrow Jerimiah Summerall Shadrach Lewis William Stepheson John Bowers William Joyner John Council Drewry Joyner Henry Jones Richard Beal Toomer Joyner Asa Beal Stephen Lankford William Williams Carr. Doyel William Beal Benjamin Beal James Wright Giles Johnson Joshua Thymer Giles Joyner John Beal John Johnson Drewry Williams John Luter William Williams Jnr West Tynes Thomas Love John Oblenry Scion Williams William Barrett Henry Obenry Joshua Turner Kinchin Edwards Joshua Joyner William Edwards James Wilson Abia Beal Henry Joyner James Johnson Joseph Turner Arther Williams Moses Joyner Benjamin Beal Samuel Roe Daniel Johnson Cordal Roe William Barnes Burwell Burn John Bryant Simon Johnson John Carstarpher Burwell Williams Giles Wester Joshua Whitney Simon Murfee Willis Jones Joshua Beal Amos Council John Turner Ephraim Turner Ephraim Beal Shadrack Beal [next page] Wm. Pope James Jarmon James Edwards Jordan Williford John Bryant senr Joseph Atkinson Wilson Wade Johnson Williford Benjamin Beal sen James Lancaster John Joyner John Cocks John Blythe sen Arther Crocker JeSse DoughlaSs Belah Willeford Samuel Turner John Clayton John Crumpler William Holloman Richard Doyel Stephen Handcock Jacob Summerell Harmon HarriSs James Chapell Wm. Clark William Mackey Absalom Williamson Matthew Charles Edward Walfield JeSse Gardner William Waters[?] Jethro Joyner Richard Markes Joseph Bradshaw Randolph Newman[?] David Denson Joseph Markes Joshua Minyard William Brett John Worrell John Brett Joel Barham Edmon Stephenson snr[?] Elisha Milton Isom Burn James Barnes Joseph Wright John Martin Stephen Crumpler Arthur Doles William Crumpler Benjamin Crumpler senr John Wright junr John Wright Richard Bailey Jordan Jenkins [next page] Jethro Joyner Britain Travis Joseph Philips Edwin Davis Marks Judkins Howel Janes Henery Coker Eustace Windham Hartwell Bailey Benj.m Sebril Jordan Jones Anselon Jones Archer Davis Arther Booth Daniel Pond Aaron Booth John Bailey Lemuel Philips Peter Bailey John Windham se.r Stephen Summerall Benjamin Oney George Summerall Nathenel Kitchen Thomas Oney James Oney Wm. Oney Edward Marks Franklin Clark Edward Ficher [end of file]

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I would like to correspond with anyone familiar with Edmund Bishop; b abt 1803 in VA; settled in Henderson County, Tennessee, about 1825; married Nancy R. in 1827 in Henderson County, Tennessee; died December 20, 1855; and is buried at Cabo Cemetery, Chester County, Tennessee. I have reasons to believe he came with his father James Bishop ?? from Surry County, Virginia; maybe through Smith County, Tennessee; and is somehow connected to the Captain John Bishop line but I don't know how. Any help would be appreciated. Barry M. Bishop

For now 4 days, my messages to this and other web sites are either sent to wrong addresses or seem to be tampered with in some fashion. While I can not imagine that my puter is being hacked or why in the world anyone would want to do that, I am unsubscribing from all these sites for a few days. Will be back soon. Thanks, and happy holidays to all. Paul

Thought this exchange might benefit all ".......We have a group here in Virginia that until recently spoke an Elizabethan English with the mixture of Portuguese they retained. Another group quite close to where I live are also celebrating their differences and resenting outsiders. They were established in 1600's from English settlers and those sailors from various nations, mainly Portuguese, who decided to stay. We've barely touched the diversity of our American cultures. Shirley Maynard ----- Original Message ----- From: paul drake How true, Shirley, and the vowel sounds in Tidewater Southern VA and northern NC yet bear many of the tones of the west and south of England from whence our very early VA/NC/SC ancestors came. Notice that in most of our nation the vowels are pronounced a, ee, eye, oh, you. However if you listen carefully to our folks from the Southside areas mentioned you usually will hear each vowel carefully prounouced as ahh, a, ee, oh, oo, those sounds typical of ancient Somerset, Devon, Cornwall, etc. So it is that you yet will hear "ah-bow-ooht" for "about", "hoe-oose" for "house", "they-urr" for "there", on and on. Indeed, the very fine VA jurist/educator, Rowan Greer, Esq. (now dead these many years) pronounced his name, "Gray-ayr", again reflecting those early renderings of our vowels. It is always a pleasure for me to visit with the ladies employed at /Tidewater libraries, since if they are over 40 and southern Virginian or Tidewater North or South Carolinian by birth, they yet have many of the very pleasant and gentle sounds of the west of England in Elizabethan times. I am sorry that this group of dialects is rapidly passing and will be gone in but a couple more decades. They tell me that such sounds are no longer thought appropriate in our "modern" manner of speaking and should be "taught out" of the language. Hhhhmmmmmmmm; what a terrible loss it will be for our posterity. Paul

Question: ....I am trying to locate the ship that the widow Elizabeth Packer used to "transport" 19 people including a Jacob DeWitt to the Virginia Colony in 1637, .... Would the ship have pulled into another port before stopping at the VA Colony? Linda ********** Ms. Linda. There is no reason to be sure that those people indeed were "servants", nor do Mrs. Nugent's efforts provide any measure of evidence that all 19 arrived at the same date on the same ship. Then too, such passenger lists as have survived are but a tiny fraction of those lists lost in the past centuries. Nevertheless, in answer to your precise question, it is likely that whenever your ancestor came, his ship came by the "Southern route" (via the "trade winds"); that is, south from Britain to the vicinity of the Canary Islands, thence west to the "Indies" where ships often stopped for supplies or cargo and to drop servants and ordinary passengers, after which many - if not most - sailed North to GA, SC, VA and then on NORTH to further destinations, which may have been any Atlantic port or New England. Have you looked at the original lists from which Nugent abstracted what you found published? It is critical that you do so before relying on her works as evidence. Good luck. Paul. That URL is http://eagle.vsla.edu/lonn/

Here, and on other lists, questions having to do with naturalization and records concerning such often arise. Here is a very helpful article from 1991: http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/library/cac/ac9112.html Good luck. Paul

Does anyone have access to the following?: Hening's Statutes of Va., Vol. 8, p. 130 If so, I very much need a copy of the page, please. If its not too long, a transcription would be great. thank you, Mark Murphy

In the stuff I have here at home, I only see one listing for Winchester: Winchester, Arthur, New Kent County, page 9 Of the Virginia State Land Office, Patents no. 11, 1719 - 1724, found on the Libraray of Virginia microfilm no. 10 for that county. I did see a listing in Brunswick Co. for a : Winnister, Thomas; Brunswick Co. Court Order book 3 pag 62 ( August 1746 Court). Could be a possible misspelling but I am not realy sure. This is all the info that I have. hope this helps. nameste' Jeannie

Looking for any information about the surname, WINCHESTER, prior to the year 1768 in your county of Virginia.

If anyone has information concerning the Atkins families, please give me a summary. My Atkins line goes from Wake County, NC back to Virginia. Donna Atkins Absher

Hello Paul, I want to thank you for the help you have been giving to us. Your free searches and information that was such a joy! Especially, the free census at family search .Vasurry-L@ rootsweb thanks for being there for us all. Thanks Again, God Bless Exhale11@aol.com

FYI. At last, the 'Official Records' of the Civil War - "War of the Rebellion; Records of the Union and Confederate Armies" (US Govt., 1909 etc.) - are now free and on line, much thanks to Cornell Univ. A truly superb set for your CW searches. http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/moa/browse.monographs/waro.html Notice too that the complete 1880 census is now on LDS, and it too is free, NO thanks to any of the genealogy for cash sites !!! Just click on census and fill in the blanks. It too is great. Here is that site: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=cens us/search_census.asp Paul