A little common sense is in order on berating the LDS data files at FHC sites as well as UTAH. 1. ICI Files: These are copies of primary source data and very useful. The LDS spent a lot of volunteer time to go around the world and collect this data. 2. Ancestral Files. These are patron submissions and the data is worth no more than the other data that is passed around through e-mail, forums, home pages, etc. A lot of it is wishful thinking. The value of all non primary or secondary source data is to look for clues that may lead you down a different path than you otherwise would have traveled. I firmly believe that there is a lot of truth in what people think from data that has been handed down through the generations. It is like any other data, the user must confirm what he sees through 2nd and 3rd sources. Rather than bad mouth someone's effort, look for the good that could come out of it. Nothing further on this subject. Phyllis