Tom, Are you talking about the Pine Forge below? Dirck Pennypacker...removed from the Perkiomen region of Pennsylvania to Sharpsburg, Maryland, established an iron working establishment there, which in the spring of 1781 was almost entirely swept away bry a freshet. Instead of rebuilding on that site he removed with his family over the mountains to Woodstock, Shenandoah County, Virginia. He first erected Redwill Furnance on Hawksbill Creek in New Market in what is now Page County and later erected another furnace a few miles below New Market, now called Pine Forge, Frederick county West(sic) Virginia. He was a pioneer iron master in that region, and the business established by him was continued by his son Benjamin and grandsons. Colonial and Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania, Volume 1, John Jordan L.L.D. In a 1785 census he had 64 white persons, 1 dwelling and 3 buildings. The persons are thought to be his helpers at the forges and his Redwell furnace. By 16 Oct. 1784, the Pennybackers were re-settled at Pine Forge in the Shenandoah Valley, as there is a record of a letter written by Dirck to his brother Jacob following the death of their father John Pennebacker on 14 June of that same year: Pine Forge bought from George Bird, Grandson of Andrew Bird. Library of Va. WPA says he built Pine Forge in 1785 on part of the original Zane grant. Pine Forge located on Smith Creek four miles below New Market. He operated Redwell until April 1796 when he leased it to his former associate, Richard Patton. About that time he leased Pine Forge to his son Benjamin and his partners, Isaac Samuels and Geroge Mayberry. Between Derick Pennybaker and Hannah his wife of Shanandoah County and Benjamin Fawcett and Delilah his wife of Rockingham County [to] Benjamin pennybacker George Mayberry and Isaac Samuels of Shanandoah County (Iron Masters) ... consideration of one thousand Pounds ... a certain small tract of Land lying and being in Shanandoah County on Smith's Creek it being the same Land which was conveyed to the said Derick Pennybaker and Benjamin Fawcett by Mounce Bird and clair his wife by their Deed of the 29th day of June 1786 ... corner to Mounce Birds land ... containing about three acres of Land ... and including a Grist Mill Saw Mill and the greatest part of the forge commonly called the pine forge together with all things thereunto belonging and all houses and buildings ... Derick Pennybaker Hannah Pennybaker B. Fawcett Recorded: 23 Feb 1792 Delilah (X) Fawcett I'm working the Samuels families and relatives. Isaac Samuels married Dirck daughter Elizabeth and had the following business relationships. Source: Shenandoah County, Virginia Deed Book Series, vol. 2 Deed Books E, F, G, H. 1784-1792 [p. 156] Deed H-333, 23 Feb, 1792 bought land on Smith's Creek along with Benjamin Pennypacker and George Mayberry from Benjamin Fawcett. Deed H-338, 23 Feb. 1792, Andrew Correll and wife Elizabeth of Rockingham Co., VA and Samuel Coffman and wife Ann of Shenandoah Co. to Benjamin Pennybacker, George Mayberry and Isaac Samuels conveyed 10 1/2 a. on Smith Creek, being part of 300 a. Correll bought from George Harrison. Contains part of Pine Forge. Deed H-340 20? Feb, 1792 along with Benjamin Pennypacker and George Mayberry bought 257 acres on Smith's Creek from Samuel Caufman, witnessed Mounce Byrd. April 1796 Pine Forge was leased from Derrick Pennybacker and operated by Isaac Samuels, George Mayberry and Benjamin Pennypacker. In 1799 he sold his share to Mayberry and Pennybacker. Gen Soc Of Page Co., Va Vol 8 No 2 the Redwell Ironworks by H.E. Comstock. Before moving to the Valley, Dirck had a forge in Md. near Antietam (city or forge?) that got washed out in a flood. Would be especially interested if you run across any Pennybacker or Samuels data. Harry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Pierce [mailto:tvpierce@infionline.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:54 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VASHENAN] Pine Forge Beginning Does anyone on the list have any hard evidence about the beginning date of Pine Forge? I am still trying to figure out several of my ironworker families who, like many industrial workers, left no deeds, wills, papers, etc. Anyway, I keep running into people too early and I'm trying to sort out whether they maybe were working at Miller's Ironworks in Augusta or whether Pine Forge (and possibly Isabella or a progenitor) started earlier than the dates I have always used. Tom ______________________________