Shirley, Thank you for the information. In doin gmy research I have located a Kibler cousin in Calif who told me there is a connection in our branch in Ohio to the KIblers in Va. I think somewher there was a Christian Kibler and Anne Magdalene Latsch on Va, Welll that is the name we start with in Gewrmany. They had a son Martin Kubler (Kibler) b abt 1750. Martin m Christina Hofer , thewir son Johannes b june 2 1779 Erbstetten he married Catharina Kublerine, they and there 8 children came to the US on 2/23/1832 on the Wilhemnia via Rotterdam and settled in Trumbull County Ohio two of their sons moved to Crawford County Ohio I have the 8 childrens names and dates of birth etc if you need them, thanks once again Gil