Richard, thanks for the information about bond vs. marriage. Does that line "we John of Henry..." look like a good starting place to find the father of John? Would the consent paper be on microfilm at the library? I know that you are great with the Pence history and wonder if you had anything about David and Leah? I think I emailed with you years ago when I started. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard A. Pence Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL The "obligation" you write about in your message below is the marriage bond. What the bond's "obligation" is not an intent to marry. It is meant to assure that there is no legal reason why the marriage should not take place. The most common of these were that both parties were of legal age, that neither were married and that the were not too closely related (per laws of the church or state). The bondsman was not necessarily the father of either the bride or groom. But if David was actually born in 1802, then he was not yet of age. Therefore there needed to be some sort of consent furnished by a parent. Perhaps signed the bond was that consent. If you sent for the marriage record, did you ask for or get all the papers associated with the record. There is often consent slips. I don't know where the marriage bonds are now kept in Shenandoah County, but many years ago they were filed in little file drawers in the clerk's office in Woodstock. I think these contained loose papers as well as the bond, wrapped with a ribbon. Richard Pence Fairfax, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Whetzel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL > Sandy, I have been looking over the information on John Wetzel and I am > attaching a copy of John Wetzel and Christiana Coffman's "obligation" or > intent to marry. Let me know if you think that the first line says "we > John > Wetzel of Henry Wetzel" and does this mean that Henry is the father of > John. > I see that Samuel Wetzel's name is on the bottom and I thought maybe that > is > a bondsman signature as you sited "Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds > 1772-1850" page 81. > > John's son David Wetzel is my husband's line. We feel that our David was > indeed born around 1802, married Leah Pence in July of 1882, had James, > Rebecca, Sidney Ann and Peter) and then married Rachael Slater in May of > 1868, when he was 66 years old. This is the marriage that produced > 1)David > (never married d. 10 Oct 1949) 2)Sarah 3)William McCauley(my husband's > grandfather), and 4) Eliza (see above bond/marriage licenses.) > > We have not seen any middle initial connected with our David. > > There does appear to be a David F. Wetzel born in the 1790? He is often > confused/interchanged with our David. > [[[[iv. DAVID F. WETZEL, b. 1793, Shenandoah Co., VA; m. LEAH PENCE, 31 > Jul > 1822, Shenandoah Co., VA]]]. This would mean that David F. was born 5 > years > before John and Christina were married. > > Also you will see (attached) that Leah's name is also shown as Feah in > some > genealogy lists. > > Do you have anymore information about our David line? > Send b > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Sandi Komosinski > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL > > First of all, thank you to everyone who has contributed their time and > help! > I thought maybe by including a bit on my WETZEL line it may help to > pinpoint > my WOLF line (Mainly John's father). I thought maybe desc. of the > Wetzel/Kauffman lines may recognize my Wolf family. Thx again everyone > for > your time, help, and guidance! I appreciate it very much! > Sandi Komosinski > By the way, I am more than willing to share all the info I have on all > these > lines. > > Descendants of John Wetzel > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. JOHN2 WETZEL (SAMUEL1) was born Abt. 1775 in Shenandoah Co., VA. He > married CHRISTINA COFFMAN 11 Aug 1798 in Shenandoah Co., VA, daughter of > AUGUSTINE COFFMAN/KAUFFMAN and MARY HOUTZ. She was born Abt. 1776. > > Notes for JOHN WETZEL: > > > > Marriage Notes for JOHN WETZEL and CHRISTINA COFFMAN: > Virginia Marriages to 1800 > Spouse 1: Coffman, Christina > Spouse 2: Wetzel, John > Marriage Date: 11 Aug 1798 > Marriage Location: Virginia > Shenandoah County > > "Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds 1772-1850" page 81 > WETZEL, John / COFFMAN, Christina > August 11,1798, Bondsman: Saml. Wetzel > > > > More About JOHN WETZEL and CHRISTINA COFFMAN: > Marriage: 11 Aug 1798, Shenandoah Co., VA > > Children of JOHN WETZEL and CHRISTINA COFFMAN are: > i. ANNA3 WETZEL, m. HENRY WEAVER, 14 Nov 1827. > > More About HENRY WEAVER and ANNA WETZEL: > Marriage: 14 Nov 1827 > > ii. ELI WETZEL, b. Abt. 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA; m. DIANA ESTEP, 29 Apr > 1837, Shenandoah Co., VA; b. 22 Jul 1818, Shenandoah Co., VA; d. Jan 1896. > > More About ELI WETZEL and DIANA ESTEP: > Marriage: 29 Apr 1837, Shenandoah Co., VA > > iii. HENRY WETZEL, m. REBECCA DELLINGER, 09 Nov 1838, Shenandoah Co., VA. > > More About HENRY WETZEL and REBECCA DELLINGER: > Marriage: 09 Nov 1838, Shenandoah Co., VA > > iv. DAVID F. WETZEL, b. 1793, Shenandoah Co., VA; m. LEAH PENCE, 31 Jul > 1822, Shenandoah Co., VA. > > More About DAVID WETZEL and LEAH PENCE: > Marriage: 31 Jul 1822, Shenandoah Co., VA > > 2. v. SOPHIA WETZEL, b. 1798, VA; d. 25 Apr 1885, Indianapolis, Marion > Co., > IN. > vi. JOHN WETZEL, b. 1803, Shenandoah Co., VA; d. Shenandoah Co., VA; m. > HANNAH H. HORSAFLUKE/HAUSENFLUCK, 28 Jun 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA; b. Abt. > 1800, Shenandoah Co., VA; d. Abt. 1826. > > More About JOHN WETZEL and HANNAH HORSAFLUKE/HAUSENFLUCK: > Marriage: 28 Jun 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA > > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. SOPHIA3 WETZEL (JOHN2, SAMUEL1) was born 1798 in VA, and died 25 Apr > 1885 in Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN1. She married JOHN WOLF 04 Jul 1820 > in > Shenandoah Co., VA2, son of ADAM WOLF?. He was born 09 Jun 1795 in VA, > and > died 16 Sep 1860 in Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN. > > Notes for SOPHIA WETZEL: > The 1868 City Directory for Indianapolis shows Sophia WOLF, widow, > boarding > at 65 N. Bright Street and in 1869 at W.S. Minerva 2 South New York > Street. > > On July 22, 1870, in the 4th Ward in Marion Co., IN Sophia was residing > with > her son Erasmus and his wife and son. At this time Sophia was 70 years > old > and her occupation was "braning" in the flour mill in Indianapolis. > WOLF, Erasmus-age 36, born Virginia, cooper > WOLF, Uphias-age 25, born Indiana, keep house > WOLF, John A.-age 7/12, born Indiana, born Nov. > WOLF, Sophia-age 70, born Virginia, braning > > In 1874 Mrs. John Wolf and her son Erasmus resided at 54 N. Geisendorff > Street and in 1880 Sophia resided at 633 W. Vermont Street. > > The following is from the 1880 Federal Census for Indianapolis, Marion > Co., > IN; June 19,1880; 633 W. Vermont St., Dwelling #513, Family #597: > WOLF, Sophia-age 83, born VA, keeps house, widow, parents born VA > WOLF, Isac-age 36, born VA, cooper, single, parents born VA > > Sophia was listed in the 1880 list of Old Residents in Indianapolis over > age > 65. > > Sophia died in 1885 at the age of 87. The following death notice was > found > for her in the April 25,1885 issue of the "Indianapolis News", page 3, > column 3: "DIED-WOLF, Sophia, in this city in her 87th year. Funeral > from > the residence of Jas. Amos, 2 and Blake St. Sunday at 2 p.m." > > > More About SOPHIA WETZEL: > Burial: 28 Apr 1885, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN-Mt. Jackson Cem. > Cause of Death: Old Age, age 87 > Resided 1: 1820, Mt. Pleasant, Shenandoah Co., VA3 > Resided 2: 1830, Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia4 > Resided 3: 1850, Springfield, Clark Co., OH5 > Resided 4: 1860, N. 1/2 Centre Twp., Marion Co., IN6 > Resided 5: 1868, 65 N. Bright St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN7 > Resided 6: 1869, 2 South New York St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN8 > Resided 7: 22 Jul 1870, 4th Ward, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN w/son > Erasmus > Resided 8: 1874, 54 N. Geisendorff St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN9 > Resided 9: 1880, 633 W. Vermont St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN10 > Resided 10: 19 Jun 1880, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN10 > > Notes for JOHN WOLF: > John and Sophia had nine children. All of their children were born in > Virginia, in the Forestville/Mount Jackson area of Shenandoah County. For > many, many years it was believed that John and Sophia had a son Otto, born > about 1827 in Virginia. Finally, after some very extensive research, it > is > now believed that there was no Otto. There is an Otto in the Indianapolis > area but after much research this Otto could not be ours as he was born in > Bavaria. And a child of his approximate age never showed up in the > Virginia > or Ohio census records that would have matched up with ours. So as far as > I > am concerned, there was no son named Otto, unless someone can prove > otherwise. > > John and Sophia were found in the 1820 census for Mt. Pleasant, Shenandoah > Co., VA: > John Wolf, 1 free white male 16-26 > 1 free white female 16-26 > 1 person engaged in manufacturing > > The 1830 census for the Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia shows > the following: > John Wolf (of Adam) > 2 white males under 5 (Abraham 1824 & William 1825) > 1 white male of 30 under 40 (John 1795) > 2 white females under 5 (Elizabeth 1829 & Sidney Amanda 1830) > 1 white female of 5 & under 10 (Diana 1821) > 1 white female of 30 under 40 (Sophia 1799) > > The family has not been found in any 1840 census for Virginia, Ohio, or > Indiana, even though we do know the family was in Virginia in 1844 as > their > son Isaac was born in Virginia. More research on this needs to be done. > > Around 1848 the family left Virginia by covered wagon and went to > Springfield, Clark Co., Ohio. John had the first kerosene lamp in > Springfield and people from all over came to see it. The following > information was found in the 1850 Federal Census for Springfield, Clark > Co., > OH, August 12,1850, Dwelling 947, Family 965: > WOLF, Jno.-age 55, born VA 1795, Cooper > WOLF, Sophia-age 52, born VA 1798 > WOLF, William-age 21, born VA 1829, Cooper > WOLF, Sidney A.-age 16, born VA 1834 > WOLF, Erasmus-age 14, born VA 1836 > WOLF, L.C.-age 12, born VA 1838 > WOLF, Isaac-age 10, born VA 1840 > > Also in Springfield was John and Sophia's son Abraham and his family: > Dwelling 959, Family 977, Abraham WOLF, age 26, born 1824 in Virginia, > Farmer; his wife Sarah, age 25, born 1823 in Virginia; and their two > children, Peter, age 2 born in Ohio in 1848 and J.A., age 11/12 born 1849 > in Ohio. > > John Wolf is listed in the 1852 City Directory for Springfield as a > laborer > and boarding with George Dibert, a brick maker. > > In 1853 the Wolf's left Springfield by train and settled in Indianapolis, > Marion Co., Indiana. > > The following information was found in the 1860 Federal Census for North > 1/2 > Centre Twp., Marion Co., IN; June 12,1860; Dwelling #86, Family #71: > WOLF, John-age 65, born Virginia, occupation: cooper > WOLF, Sophia-age 63, born Virginia > Dwelling #87, Family #71: > WOLF, Erasmns-age 25, born Virginia, occupation: cooper > WOLF, Sidney-age 24, born Virginia, Weaver > WOLF, Isaac-age 22, born Virginia, Cooper > UNKUS or ANKUS????, this was not legible, John-age 6/12, born Indiana > (This > could possibly be Sidney's son John Alta Miller although he was supposedly > born in Ohio.) > > John was a cooper (barrel maker) all his life, as were his sons William, > Erasmus, and Isaac. > > John's tombstone, which is still standing after 146 years, in Mt. Jackson > Cemetery in Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana reads as: > JOHN WOLF DIED Sept 16 1860 AGED 65 yrs 3 mos 7 da > On the lower portion of the stone is the following: > I have fought the good fight. I have finished my course. I have kept the > faith. > > > More About JOHN WOLF: > Date born 2: 09 Jun 1795, Tombstone states age 65 y 3 m 7 days-Mt. Jackson > Cem., Marion Co., IN11 > Burial: Sep 1860, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN-Mt. Jackson Cem. > Cause of Death: Cause unknown, age 65 > Occupation: Cooper > Resided 1: 1820, Mt. Pleasant, Shenandoah Co., VA12 > Resided 2: 1830, Shenandoah Co. (Western District), VA13 > Resided 3: 12 Aug 1850, Springfield, Clark Co., OH14 > Resided 4: 12 Jun 1860, North 1/2 Centre Twp., Marion Co., IN15 > > More About JOHN WOLF and SOPHIA WETZEL: > Marriage: 04 Jul 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA16 > > Children of SOPHIA WETZEL and JOHN WOLF are: > i. DIANA4 WOLF, b. 18 Mar 1821, Forestville/Mt. Jackson, Shenandoah Co., > VA; m. JOHN PRIEST, 10 Mar 1846, Clark Co., OH17; b. Abt. 1826, Clark Co., > OH. > > Notes for DIANA WOLF: > It is not known as of yet if our Diana Wolf is indeed the Diana Wolf that > married John Priest. More research will need to be done. The information > on John Priest is merely being listed for research purposes only at this > time. > > > More About DIANA WOLF: > Baptism: 21 Aug 1821, Shenandoah Co., VA-Godmother Eve Wetzel18 > Resided: 1830, Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia19 > > More About JOHN PRIEST and DIANA WOLF: > Marriage: 10 Mar 1846, Clark Co., OH20 > > ii. HARRESON WOLF, b. 02 Jul 1822, Forestville/Mt. Jackson, Shenandoah > Co., > VA; d. 19 Aug 1823, Forestville, Shenandoah Co., VA. > > Notes for HARRESON WOLF: > Tombstone Inscription, Solomon's Church Cemetary, Forestville, Shenandoah > Co., Virginia: > Wolf, Harreson Died: 19 Aug 1823 Son of John & Sophia; age 1.1.17 > > > More About HARRESON WOLF: > Burial: Aug 1823, Forestville, Shenandoah Co., VA-Solomon's Ch.21 > Cause of Death: Cause unknown, age 1 yr 1 m 7 d > > iii. ABRAHAM WOLF, b. Apr 1824, Forestville/Mt. Jackson, Shenandoah Co., > VA; d. 1904; m. SARAH RINKER, 12 Oct 1846, Clark Co., OH22; b. 31 Dec > 1823, > VA; d. 20 Aug 1882, Indiana. > > Notes for ABRAHAM WOLF: > 1850 Federal Census Springfield, Clark Co., Ohio; Dwelling 959, Family > 977: > Abraham WOLF, age 26, born 1824 in Virginia, Farmer; his wife Sarah, age > 25, > born 1823 in Virginia; and their two children, Peter, age 2 born in Ohio > in > 1848 and J.A., age 11/12 born 1849 in Ohio. > > 1860 Federal Census June 23,1860 Erie Twp., Miami Co., Indiana, Post > Office > Peru: > Abram Wolf, age 34, born Virginia ca 1826; Farmer > Sarah Wolf 37 VA > Peter R Wolf 13 OH > John H Wolf 11 OH > Joseph Wolf 9 > Mary E Wolf 7 > Lydia S Wolf 2 > > 1870 Federal Census Beaver Twp., Newton Co., Indiana: > Abraham Wolf, 45, VA, Farmer > Sarah, 46, VA, Keeps House > Peter, 22, OH, At Home > John, 20, OH, At Home > Joseph, 19, OH, At Home > Mary E, 17, OH, At Home > Lydia S, 11, IN, At Home > Edward S, 8, IN, At Home > Sarah J, 6, IN, At Home > > 1880 Federal Census Washington, Newton Co., Indiana: > Abraham Wolf, 56, Farmer, born VA, parents also > Sarah, 57, Keeps House, born VA, parents also > Edward, 19, Works On Farm, born IN > Jane, 16, born IN > > 1900 Federal Census Mill, Grant Co., Indiana: > Mary E. Wolf, head, 47, OH, Feb 1853, 1 child, 1 living > Silas Archibald , son, 24, IN, Mar 1876, single > Abraham Wolf, father, 75, VA, Apr 1825, widow > > > More About ABRAHAM WOLF: > Occupation: Farmer > Religion: 1830, Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia23 > Resided 1: 1850, Springfield, Clark Co., OH24 > Resided 2: 1860, Erie, Miami Co., IN25 > Resided 3: 1870, Beaver Twp., Newton Co., IN26 > Resided 4: 1880, Washington, Newton Co., IN27 > Resided 5: 1900, Mill, Grant Co., IN28 > > More About SARAH RINKER: > Burial: Murphy Cemetery; Morocco, Newton Co., IN29 > > More About ABRAHAM WOLF and SARAH RINKER: > Marriage: 12 Oct 1846, Clark Co., OH30 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message