I think surely the line should be "we John >and< Henry ..." - but it is hard to tell without the document in front of me. The Samuel at the bottom may be a witness; again it's hard to tell without seeing the document. It is quite possible that the consent slips - if any - would be on the microfilm. I really have kept up with where the Shenandoah records are now and exactly what was microfilmed - it's been at least 15 years since I've been in the court house. I have hardly anything on Leah Pence and David Wetzel. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Whetzel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL > Richard, thanks for the information about bond vs. marriage. Does that > line > "we John of Henry..." look like a good starting place to find the father > of > John? Would the consent paper be on microfilm at the library? I know > that > you are great with the Pence history and wonder if you had anything about > David and Leah? I think I emailed with you years ago when I started. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Richard A. Pence > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL > > The "obligation" you write about in your message below is the marriage > bond. > > What the bond's "obligation" is not an intent to marry. It is meant to > assure that there is no legal reason why the marriage should not take > place. > > The most common of these were that both parties were of legal age, that > neither were married and that the were not too closely related (per laws > of > the church or state). > > The bondsman was not necessarily the father of either the bride or groom. > But if David was actually born in 1802, then he was not yet of age. > Therefore there needed to be some sort of consent furnished by a parent. > Perhaps signed the bond was that consent. If you sent for the marriage > record, did you ask for or get all the papers associated with the record. > There is often consent slips. I don't know where the marriage bonds are > now > kept in Shenandoah County, but many years ago they were filed in little > file > > drawers in the clerk's office in Woodstock. I think these contained loose > papers as well as the bond, wrapped with a ribbon. > > Richard Pence > Fairfax, VA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Whetzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL > > >> Sandy, I have been looking over the information on John Wetzel and I am >> attaching a copy of John Wetzel and Christiana Coffman's "obligation" or >> intent to marry. Let me know if you think that the first line says "we >> John >> Wetzel of Henry Wetzel" and does this mean that Henry is the father of >> John. >> I see that Samuel Wetzel's name is on the bottom and I thought maybe that >> is >> a bondsman signature as you sited "Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds >> 1772-1850" page 81. >> >> John's son David Wetzel is my husband's line. We feel that our David was >> indeed born around 1802, married Leah Pence in July of 1882, had James, >> Rebecca, Sidney Ann and Peter) and then married Rachael Slater in May of >> 1868, when he was 66 years old. This is the marriage that produced >> 1)David >> (never married d. 10 Oct 1949) 2)Sarah 3)William McCauley(my husband's >> grandfather), and 4) Eliza (see above bond/marriage licenses.) >> >> We have not seen any middle initial connected with our David. >> >> There does appear to be a David F. Wetzel born in the 1790? He is often >> confused/interchanged with our David. >> [[[[iv. DAVID F. WETZEL, b. 1793, Shenandoah Co., VA; m. LEAH PENCE, 31 >> Jul >> 1822, Shenandoah Co., VA]]]. This would mean that David F. was born 5 >> years >> before John and Christina were married. >> >> Also you will see (attached) that Leah's name is also shown as Feah in >> some >> genealogy lists. >> >> Do you have anymore information about our David line? >> Send b >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Sandi Komosinski >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [VASHENAN] WOLF/WETZEL >> >> First of all, thank you to everyone who has contributed their time and >> help! >> I thought maybe by including a bit on my WETZEL line it may help to >> pinpoint >> my WOLF line (Mainly John's father). I thought maybe desc. of the >> Wetzel/Kauffman lines may recognize my Wolf family. Thx again everyone >> for >> your time, help, and guidance! I appreciate it very much! >> Sandi Komosinski >> By the way, I am more than willing to share all the info I have on all >> these >> lines. >> >> Descendants of John Wetzel >> >> Generation No. 1 >> >> 1. JOHN2 WETZEL (SAMUEL1) was born Abt. 1775 in Shenandoah Co., VA. He >> married CHRISTINA COFFMAN 11 Aug 1798 in Shenandoah Co., VA, daughter of >> AUGUSTINE COFFMAN/KAUFFMAN and MARY HOUTZ. She was born Abt. 1776. >> >> Notes for JOHN WETZEL: >> >> >> >> Marriage Notes for JOHN WETZEL and CHRISTINA COFFMAN: >> Virginia Marriages to 1800 >> Spouse 1: Coffman, Christina >> Spouse 2: Wetzel, John >> Marriage Date: 11 Aug 1798 >> Marriage Location: Virginia >> Shenandoah County >> >> "Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds 1772-1850" page 81 >> WETZEL, John / COFFMAN, Christina >> August 11,1798, Bondsman: Saml. Wetzel >> >> >> >> More About JOHN WETZEL and CHRISTINA COFFMAN: >> Marriage: 11 Aug 1798, Shenandoah Co., VA >> >> Children of JOHN WETZEL and CHRISTINA COFFMAN are: >> i. ANNA3 WETZEL, m. HENRY WEAVER, 14 Nov 1827. >> >> More About HENRY WEAVER and ANNA WETZEL: >> Marriage: 14 Nov 1827 >> >> ii. ELI WETZEL, b. Abt. 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA; m. DIANA ESTEP, 29 Apr >> 1837, Shenandoah Co., VA; b. 22 Jul 1818, Shenandoah Co., VA; d. Jan >> 1896. >> >> More About ELI WETZEL and DIANA ESTEP: >> Marriage: 29 Apr 1837, Shenandoah Co., VA >> >> iii. HENRY WETZEL, m. REBECCA DELLINGER, 09 Nov 1838, Shenandoah Co., VA. >> >> More About HENRY WETZEL and REBECCA DELLINGER: >> Marriage: 09 Nov 1838, Shenandoah Co., VA >> >> iv. DAVID F. WETZEL, b. 1793, Shenandoah Co., VA; m. LEAH PENCE, 31 Jul >> 1822, Shenandoah Co., VA. >> >> More About DAVID WETZEL and LEAH PENCE: >> Marriage: 31 Jul 1822, Shenandoah Co., VA >> >> 2. v. SOPHIA WETZEL, b. 1798, VA; d. 25 Apr 1885, Indianapolis, Marion >> Co., >> IN. >> vi. JOHN WETZEL, b. 1803, Shenandoah Co., VA; d. Shenandoah Co., VA; m. >> HANNAH H. HORSAFLUKE/HAUSENFLUCK, 28 Jun 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA; b. >> Abt. >> 1800, Shenandoah Co., VA; d. Abt. 1826. >> >> More About JOHN WETZEL and HANNAH HORSAFLUKE/HAUSENFLUCK: >> Marriage: 28 Jun 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA >> >> >> Generation No. 2 >> >> 2. SOPHIA3 WETZEL (JOHN2, SAMUEL1) was born 1798 in VA, and died 25 Apr >> 1885 in Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN1. She married JOHN WOLF 04 Jul 1820 >> in >> Shenandoah Co., VA2, son of ADAM WOLF?. He was born 09 Jun 1795 in VA, >> and >> died 16 Sep 1860 in Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN. >> >> Notes for SOPHIA WETZEL: >> The 1868 City Directory for Indianapolis shows Sophia WOLF, widow, >> boarding >> at 65 N. Bright Street and in 1869 at W.S. Minerva 2 South New York >> Street. >> >> On July 22, 1870, in the 4th Ward in Marion Co., IN Sophia was residing >> with >> her son Erasmus and his wife and son. At this time Sophia was 70 years >> old >> and her occupation was "braning" in the flour mill in Indianapolis. >> WOLF, Erasmus-age 36, born Virginia, cooper >> WOLF, Uphias-age 25, born Indiana, keep house >> WOLF, John A.-age 7/12, born Indiana, born Nov. >> WOLF, Sophia-age 70, born Virginia, braning >> >> In 1874 Mrs. John Wolf and her son Erasmus resided at 54 N. Geisendorff >> Street and in 1880 Sophia resided at 633 W. Vermont Street. >> >> The following is from the 1880 Federal Census for Indianapolis, Marion >> Co., >> IN; June 19,1880; 633 W. Vermont St., Dwelling #513, Family #597: >> WOLF, Sophia-age 83, born VA, keeps house, widow, parents born VA >> WOLF, Isac-age 36, born VA, cooper, single, parents born VA >> >> Sophia was listed in the 1880 list of Old Residents in Indianapolis over >> age >> 65. >> >> Sophia died in 1885 at the age of 87. The following death notice was >> found >> for her in the April 25,1885 issue of the "Indianapolis News", page 3, >> column 3: "DIED-WOLF, Sophia, in this city in her 87th year. Funeral >> from >> the residence of Jas. Amos, 2 and Blake St. Sunday at 2 p.m." >> >> >> More About SOPHIA WETZEL: >> Burial: 28 Apr 1885, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN-Mt. Jackson Cem. >> Cause of Death: Old Age, age 87 >> Resided 1: 1820, Mt. Pleasant, Shenandoah Co., VA3 >> Resided 2: 1830, Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia4 >> Resided 3: 1850, Springfield, Clark Co., OH5 >> Resided 4: 1860, N. 1/2 Centre Twp., Marion Co., IN6 >> Resided 5: 1868, 65 N. Bright St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN7 >> Resided 6: 1869, 2 South New York St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN8 >> Resided 7: 22 Jul 1870, 4th Ward, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN w/son >> Erasmus >> Resided 8: 1874, 54 N. Geisendorff St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN9 >> Resided 9: 1880, 633 W. Vermont St., Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN10 >> Resided 10: 19 Jun 1880, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN10 >> >> Notes for JOHN WOLF: >> John and Sophia had nine children. All of their children were born in >> Virginia, in the Forestville/Mount Jackson area of Shenandoah County. >> For >> many, many years it was believed that John and Sophia had a son Otto, >> born >> about 1827 in Virginia. Finally, after some very extensive research, it >> is >> now believed that there was no Otto. There is an Otto in the >> Indianapolis >> area but after much research this Otto could not be ours as he was born >> in >> Bavaria. And a child of his approximate age never showed up in the >> Virginia >> or Ohio census records that would have matched up with ours. So as far as >> I >> am concerned, there was no son named Otto, unless someone can prove >> otherwise. >> >> John and Sophia were found in the 1820 census for Mt. Pleasant, >> Shenandoah >> Co., VA: >> John Wolf, 1 free white male 16-26 >> 1 free white female 16-26 >> 1 person engaged in manufacturing >> >> The 1830 census for the Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia >> shows >> the following: >> John Wolf (of Adam) >> 2 white males under 5 (Abraham 1824 & William 1825) >> 1 white male of 30 under 40 (John 1795) >> 2 white females under 5 (Elizabeth 1829 & Sidney Amanda 1830) >> 1 white female of 5 & under 10 (Diana 1821) >> 1 white female of 30 under 40 (Sophia 1799) >> >> The family has not been found in any 1840 census for Virginia, Ohio, or >> Indiana, even though we do know the family was in Virginia in 1844 as >> their >> son Isaac was born in Virginia. More research on this needs to be done. >> >> Around 1848 the family left Virginia by covered wagon and went to >> Springfield, Clark Co., Ohio. John had the first kerosene lamp in >> Springfield and people from all over came to see it. The following >> information was found in the 1850 Federal Census for Springfield, Clark >> Co., >> OH, August 12,1850, Dwelling 947, Family 965: >> WOLF, Jno.-age 55, born VA 1795, Cooper >> WOLF, Sophia-age 52, born VA 1798 >> WOLF, William-age 21, born VA 1829, Cooper >> WOLF, Sidney A.-age 16, born VA 1834 >> WOLF, Erasmus-age 14, born VA 1836 >> WOLF, L.C.-age 12, born VA 1838 >> WOLF, Isaac-age 10, born VA 1840 >> >> Also in Springfield was John and Sophia's son Abraham and his family: >> Dwelling 959, Family 977, Abraham WOLF, age 26, born 1824 in Virginia, >> Farmer; his wife Sarah, age 25, born 1823 in Virginia; and their two >> children, Peter, age 2 born in Ohio in 1848 and J.A., age 11/12 born >> 1849 >> in Ohio. >> >> John Wolf is listed in the 1852 City Directory for Springfield as a >> laborer >> and boarding with George Dibert, a brick maker. >> >> In 1853 the Wolf's left Springfield by train and settled in Indianapolis, >> Marion Co., Indiana. >> >> The following information was found in the 1860 Federal Census for North >> 1/2 >> Centre Twp., Marion Co., IN; June 12,1860; Dwelling #86, Family #71: >> WOLF, John-age 65, born Virginia, occupation: cooper >> WOLF, Sophia-age 63, born Virginia >> Dwelling #87, Family #71: >> WOLF, Erasmns-age 25, born Virginia, occupation: cooper >> WOLF, Sidney-age 24, born Virginia, Weaver >> WOLF, Isaac-age 22, born Virginia, Cooper >> UNKUS or ANKUS????, this was not legible, John-age 6/12, born Indiana >> (This >> could possibly be Sidney's son John Alta Miller although he was >> supposedly >> born in Ohio.) >> >> John was a cooper (barrel maker) all his life, as were his sons William, >> Erasmus, and Isaac. >> >> John's tombstone, which is still standing after 146 years, in Mt. Jackson >> Cemetery in Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana reads as: >> JOHN WOLF DIED Sept 16 1860 AGED 65 yrs 3 mos 7 da >> On the lower portion of the stone is the following: >> I have fought the good fight. I have finished my course. I have kept >> the >> faith. >> >> >> More About JOHN WOLF: >> Date born 2: 09 Jun 1795, Tombstone states age 65 y 3 m 7 days-Mt. >> Jackson >> Cem., Marion Co., IN11 >> Burial: Sep 1860, Indianapolis, Marion Co., IN-Mt. Jackson Cem. >> Cause of Death: Cause unknown, age 65 >> Occupation: Cooper >> Resided 1: 1820, Mt. Pleasant, Shenandoah Co., VA12 >> Resided 2: 1830, Shenandoah Co. (Western District), VA13 >> Resided 3: 12 Aug 1850, Springfield, Clark Co., OH14 >> Resided 4: 12 Jun 1860, North 1/2 Centre Twp., Marion Co., IN15 >> >> More About JOHN WOLF and SOPHIA WETZEL: >> Marriage: 04 Jul 1820, Shenandoah Co., VA16 >> >> Children of SOPHIA WETZEL and JOHN WOLF are: >> i. DIANA4 WOLF, b. 18 Mar 1821, Forestville/Mt. Jackson, Shenandoah Co., >> VA; m. JOHN PRIEST, 10 Mar 1846, Clark Co., OH17; b. Abt. 1826, Clark >> Co., >> OH. >> >> Notes for DIANA WOLF: >> It is not known as of yet if our Diana Wolf is indeed the Diana Wolf that >> married John Priest. More research will need to be done. The >> information >> on John Priest is merely being listed for research purposes only at this >> time. >> >> >> More About DIANA WOLF: >> Baptism: 21 Aug 1821, Shenandoah Co., VA-Godmother Eve Wetzel18 >> Resided: 1830, Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia19 >> >> More About JOHN PRIEST and DIANA WOLF: >> Marriage: 10 Mar 1846, Clark Co., OH20 >> >> ii. HARRESON WOLF, b. 02 Jul 1822, Forestville/Mt. Jackson, Shenandoah >> Co., >> VA; d. 19 Aug 1823, Forestville, Shenandoah Co., VA. >> >> Notes for HARRESON WOLF: >> Tombstone Inscription, Solomon's Church Cemetary, Forestville, Shenandoah >> Co., Virginia: >> Wolf, Harreson Died: 19 Aug 1823 Son of John & Sophia; age 1.1.17 >> >> >> More About HARRESON WOLF: >> Burial: Aug 1823, Forestville, Shenandoah Co., VA-Solomon's Ch.21 >> Cause of Death: Cause unknown, age 1 yr 1 m 7 d >> >> iii. ABRAHAM WOLF, b. Apr 1824, Forestville/Mt. Jackson, Shenandoah Co., >> VA; d. 1904; m. SARAH RINKER, 12 Oct 1846, Clark Co., OH22; b. 31 Dec >> 1823, >> VA; d. 20 Aug 1882, Indiana. >> >> Notes for ABRAHAM WOLF: >> 1850 Federal Census Springfield, Clark Co., Ohio; Dwelling 959, Family >> 977: >> Abraham WOLF, age 26, born 1824 in Virginia, Farmer; his wife Sarah, age >> 25, >> born 1823 in Virginia; and their two children, Peter, age 2 born in Ohio >> in >> 1848 and J.A., age 11/12 born 1849 in Ohio. >> >> 1860 Federal Census June 23,1860 Erie Twp., Miami Co., Indiana, Post >> Office >> Peru: >> Abram Wolf, age 34, born Virginia ca 1826; Farmer >> Sarah Wolf 37 VA >> Peter R Wolf 13 OH >> John H Wolf 11 OH >> Joseph Wolf 9 >> Mary E Wolf 7 >> Lydia S Wolf 2 >> >> 1870 Federal Census Beaver Twp., Newton Co., Indiana: >> Abraham Wolf, 45, VA, Farmer >> Sarah, 46, VA, Keeps House >> Peter, 22, OH, At Home >> John, 20, OH, At Home >> Joseph, 19, OH, At Home >> Mary E, 17, OH, At Home >> Lydia S, 11, IN, At Home >> Edward S, 8, IN, At Home >> Sarah J, 6, IN, At Home >> >> 1880 Federal Census Washington, Newton Co., Indiana: >> Abraham Wolf, 56, Farmer, born VA, parents also >> Sarah, 57, Keeps House, born VA, parents also >> Edward, 19, Works On Farm, born IN >> Jane, 16, born IN >> >> 1900 Federal Census Mill, Grant Co., Indiana: >> Mary E. Wolf, head, 47, OH, Feb 1853, 1 child, 1 living >> Silas Archibald , son, 24, IN, Mar 1876, single >> Abraham Wolf, father, 75, VA, Apr 1825, widow >> >> >> More About ABRAHAM WOLF: >> Occupation: Farmer >> Religion: 1830, Western District in Shenandoah Co., Virginia23 >> Resided 1: 1850, Springfield, Clark Co., OH24 >> Resided 2: 1860, Erie, Miami Co., IN25 >> Resided 3: 1870, Beaver Twp., Newton Co., IN26 >> Resided 4: 1880, Washington, Newton Co., IN27 >> Resided 5: 1900, Mill, Grant Co., IN28 >> >> More About SARAH RINKER: >> Burial: Murphy Cemetery; Morocco, Newton Co., IN29 >> >> More About ABRAHAM WOLF and SARAH RINKER: >> Marriage: 12 Oct 1846, Clark Co., OH30 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message