I dont' have access to all my information right now, but as I recall, Nancy Ryman is Joseph's daughter, and the mother of Sarah. Sarah E. Ryman is really the child of Erasmus Lutz, who died in a Yankee prison camp before he could mary Nancy Ryman. Sarah used the Ryman name until she was older, but Erasmus Lutz appears on her marriage license as her father. She married George Helsley. I believe Milton is Rachael's son. You can check to see if Milton has a death certificate listing parents. She might be a daughter-in-law. I actually have a photo of Nancy Ryman Coffman is anyone is interested. Jane Mitakides -----Original Message----- From: cosmikdebris <radio@zappahead.net> To: vashenan@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Ryman In the 1870 census we find 6 month Milton living with Rachel: 1870 US Census, page 10, Ashby, Shenandoah, Virginia. Dwelling 73, Family 73. Nancy Coffman 34 4000/600 housekeeper VA, arbara A Coffman 2 VA, arah E Ryman 9 VA, oseph Ryman 77 blacksmith VA, achel Ryman 24 VA, ilton Ryman 6/12 VA, acob Chick 20 VA laborer. Harpine's Zirkle family history says Rachel is the daughter of Levi yman and Annie Zirkle. Rachel married Elcana Miller on 28 July 1870. Rachel is also profiled in Vann's analysis of the 1860 Census (Volume , p. 334-335) but no mention of Charles is made there. It is possible that Charles Milton Ryman was base born, i.e. Rachel as unmarried... arry Will ttp://www.zirlkereunion.org On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:39 PM, <CYLGowdy@aol.com> wrote: A Charles Ryman, age 6 months, was living in Shenandoah Co., VA (in Lee). Might be yours. David W. Ryamn, 30 Catharine, 25 Alice, 2 Charles, 6 months In 1880, Charles M. Ryman, age 10, was living in Ashby, Shenandoah Co. Everybody born in VA. Henry Polk, 57, farmer Catherine Ryman, 70, aunt Christine Ryman, 52, cousin Charles M. Ryman, 10, nephew In a message dated 8/29/2010 3:41:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hood@shentel.net writes: Would anyone know the father of CHARLES MILTON RYMAN, born Nov 1869 died 1921? Charles and his wife Virginia are both buried at Christ Reformed Church Cem. Conicville VA He married VIRGINIA ALICE WEATHERHOLTZ on 8 Oct 1891, but it only gives his mother's name, RACHEL RYMAN. With appreciation, Jan Hood, Woodstock VA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VASHENAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VASHENAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message