does anyon ehave either of these books Kibler from Shenandoah Valley by Ronald Harper A Shenandoah Pioneer and Descendants by Thomas Spratt

Jim Schofield is correct about most of the information from the bonds appearing in transcriptions. But there are exceptions that make a look at the microfilm worth while. The bond of Isaac Pence and Lydia Weeks is included in Ashby's transcription, but Ashby did not include the "alias Shaver" that followed Lyida's name. The microfilm also is worth looking at for thedocuments that frequently accompany the bonds. Joseph Foltz gave consent for the marriage of his daughter Rebecca, "given under my hand in the Presents [sic] of my two Sons Joseph Foltz Jr George Foltz" Jim Funkhouser

Could you please provide directions for the Second annual event for next year. I was from out-of-town, and I wanted to attend the event, Thank you, Deloris

I would agree with Jim, the day was a great success, but there were many more people involved than just myself, Jim included. We are going to schedule our SECOND annual event for the second Saturday in April of 2004. I am going to pass on something that was relayed to me that I think speaks for itself -- someone said that those who missed the event, really DID miss something good. Photos from Shenandoah County Heritage Day will soon be posted on the web site. Thanks to all who made this possible, and rather than list them individually and risk missing someone, I will leave it at that, because many people contributed to the event's success - all I did was present the idea. And if you didn't make it this year, we hope to see you next year in April. Don *************************************************** Don Silvius Coordinator Shenandoah County VAGenWeb <http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html> <dsilvius@intrepid.net> <dsilvius@tlcdelivers.com> ***************************************************

Patti No one can photo copy anything at the Shenandoah County Courthouse. In my previous email message, I said that the marriage bonds were on microfilm at the Shenandoah County Library not the Courthouse. The microfilms at the library may be copied. Check with Linda for confirmation of this information. Glenn Cline

Thanks, Patti Waitman-Ingebretsen Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: GCline8181@aol.com To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] re: marriage bonds Patti No one can photo copy anything at the Shenandoah County Courthouse. In my previous email message, I said that the marriage bonds were on microfilm at the Shenandoah County Library not the Courthouse. The microfilms at the library may be copied. Check with Linda for confirmation of this information. Glenn Cline ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe.

In this humble person's opinion, the 1st Shenandoah Co. Rootsweb Heritage Days were a huge success!!!!! I thought the exhibits were very interesting and as plain as mine was, many people;e stopped by to observe and make comments. Those of you who were unable to participate missed a great show, with Re-enactors, old guns, interesting stories, many family trees, a small portion of the Morrison Studios material, ( abt. 10,000 old pictures) and many other items. Next year will be even better. Don and all the support folks did an outstanding job. ceya Jim

The original marriage bonds that I have seen give no more information than what is in the transcribed summaries. What they do give are the actual signatures of the groom and other bondsman. This can be important in deciding if the transcription was correct and the identification of an individual by his signature. In one case I had though, the signature of the bondsman was in the handwriting of the clerk. The individual had signed his own marriage bond with an x. Jim Scofield

Patti, I am not sure that Linda Varney can photo copy the marriage bonds. I wanted a copy of George Huffman's will and the county court house did not allow it for their old records. She had wrote the will and then took it home and typed it for me. Carla Kettell

Patti I think they are on microfilm in the Shenandoah County Library. Get in touch with Linda Varney and for a reasonable fee she can get a copy for you. You can reach Linda at llv@Shentel.net Glenn Cline

Patti Waitman-Ingebretsen asked " Where do I write to get a copy of the original marriage bonds for Shenandoah County, VA? " The SHENANDOAH COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY has copies of the marriage bonds < Mailing address: Shenandoah County Historical Society c/o Shen. Co. Library 300 Stoney Creek Blvd. Edinburg VA 22824 Phone: 540-984-8200 > The LDS library in Salk Lake City also has filmed copies of them Marriage bonds, 1772-1850 Shenandoah County (Virginia). County Clerk (Main Author) Film number 0033930 . This can be rented through a local Family History Center at $3.25 plus taxes and notification fees. The library at Salt Lake City also will make copies see their website at www.familysearch.org to get a copy of the copying request form. Jim Scofield

Where do I write to get a copy of the original marriage bonds for Shenandoah County, VA? I have a copy of the published marriage bonds 1772-1850 compiled by Bernice Ashby but I need the actual record. Can someone tell me where I can write to get it? thanks much. Patti Waitman-Ingebretsen

Berkeley County, WV http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvberkel/

At 02:21 AM 12/04/2003, Diane Kittle wrote: >Does anyone know where I may be able to find an old map or history of the >development of VA locations on-line so that I can figure out where >Martinsburg, Virginia would have been in 1745. I've found a reference that >states the Henry family relocated from Lancaster, PA to Martinsburg, VA in >1745. As early as 1752 I find them in the area of Shenandoah that later >became Warren Co. but know of no Martinsburg there. Any ideas? Thanks. Diane Martinsburg, VA is now Martinsburg, Berkeley County, WV. Walt

Robertson (or Robinson) May is also connected to the Beatty / Edmonds family, I believe through one of the Edmonds sisters. Can anyone give me the exact connection between the Edmonds, Beatty's and Mays families? ? ? Robertson (or Robinson) May was the bondsman for the marriage bond of Robert Beatty (Beaty) and Jane Crouse in 1831, Frederick Co. VA. I am trying to determine if there was a family link that connected Mr. May to this Robert Beatty. Any help in unraveling this tangled web of Beatty's would be most appreciated. Thanks . . . Sharon Wilcox wilcoxphoto@dmci.net

Does anyone know where I may be able to find an old map or history of the development of VA locations on-line so that I can figure out where Martinsburg, Virginia would have been in 1745. I've found a reference that states the Henry family relocated from Lancaster, PA to Martinsburg, VA in 1745. As early as 1752 I find them in the area of Shenandoah that later became Warren Co. but know of no Martinsburg there. Any ideas? Thanks.

Long.. Sorry for the duplication. Sent to surrounding counties. All of the above names, plus others, are descendants of KIMBLE HICKS, 1746. ADAMS, EDMONDS, HICKS, PAYNE, CHAPPELEAR, FERGUSON, RUST, McKAY, TIMBERLAKE, BYRNE, BLACKWELL, & MASSIE. One of the LACEY families of LOUDOUN CO, VA are related to these Hicks too, through a sister of Kimble HICKS (Secondary source.) We've found some of these living in these VA counties: Fauquier, Warren, Frederick, Shenandoah .. and Loudoun Counties. Year of 1778, Fauquier Co. VA Tithing list has Kimble's brother, THOMAS HICKS, in his household. Believe he remained somewhere in VA. No further data. A cousin, Genie S. and I have found more information for Kimble HICKS' (1746-1837) ancestors. If you have some to share, we'd love to have your information. We'd like to share ours with you. We welcome corrections. 1. Kimble HICKS 1746-1837 + Matilda Nee? 2. Josiah HICKS ?1776 - (Would love a clue) 2. Naomi HICKS 1778-1837 + John EDMONDS 1767-1828 3. Lewis EDMONDS, 1800-1857 + Elizabeth "Betsy" SETTLE 4. John 'Jack' Isaac EDMONDS 1827-1919 4. Bettie Lewis Edmonds 1835-1896 4. Mary Naomi Edmonds 1835-1903 + Dr. Alban PAYNE 5. Elizabeth Winter Payne @ 1849 5. Daniel D Payne 5. Lewis Edmonds Payne 5. Maria Blackwell Payne 5. Fannie Swift Payne 4. Edward Gilbert EDMONDS 1836-1895 + Adeline EDMONDS 4. Thomas Gilbert EDMONDS 1830-1830 4. Amanda EDMONDS 1839-1921 + John Armistead CHAPPELEAR 1835-1916 5. Harry Chappelear @ 1871 5. Zulieme Chappelear 5. Lewis Clayton Chappelear 5. Benjamin Curtis Chappelear 5. Elizabeth Naomi Lee Chappelear 4. Benjamin J Sydnor EDMONDS 1843 4. Clement West EDMONDS 1845-1875 4. Chester Hugh Edmonds 1847-1875 3. Maria A EDMONDS, 1799-1845 + John BLACKWELL (Need information.. Maria d. TN. Buried near Paris, VA.) 3. Harriet EDMONDS 1802 3. Alexander 'Sandy' EDMONDS 1805 + Sarah Ann MURRAY 4. Alexander S EDMONDS 1837 * 2nd wife of Sandy Edmonds: + Alice Thorton EDMONDS 1806 4. Ellen EDMONDS 1844 4. Elias EDMONDS 1847 3. Juliet EDMONDS 1808 + Harry ADAMS 1807 (Were there children?) 3. Sydnor EDMONDS 1810 + Margaret Belle EDMONDS (Children?) 3. Gilbert EDMONDS 1815 3. Cecelia Augusta EDMONDS 1818 3. Helen Matilda EDMONDS 1820 + James FERGUSON 1820 4. Betty Ferguson @ 1845 4. Abner Ferguson 4. Alfred Ferguson 4. Roberta V Ferguson @ 1851 2. Israel HICKS 1779-1809 + Rachel GIBSON 3. Kimble Gibson HICKS 1809-1861 + Amanda Shackleford 4. Thomas Shearman HICKS 1836 4. Evelina Orville Thomas Hicks 1838 + Albert C BYRNE 5. Amanda Shackelford BYRNE + Harry TIMBERLAKE 6. Eva Harfield TIMBERLAKE + John E COLBERT 5. Kimble Hicks BYRNE 1862-1945 + Lillie Margarge PIERCE 1869-1945 6. Clifton Hicks BYRNE, 1900 6. Marie BYRNE 5. Albert Lee BYRNE 4. Kimble Gibson HICKS, Jr. 1842 4. Samuel Israel HICKS 1844, dsp. + Margaret F EDMONDS (remarried) 2. Isaiah HICKS, 1780 (Need clues. d.age 31. Children?) 2. Celia HICKS 1782-1851, dsp + Thomas Shearman 1776 - dsp 2. Stephen HICKS, 1788-1833 + Emma RUST 1793 3. Thomas K HICKS 1818 + Virginia Victoria Greene 1820 4. ??Tim or Tom HICKS 1847 4. William P HICKS 1848-1898 + Mary E HUDNALL 1858-1934 5. Edith Hicks 1876 5. Richard Hudnall HICKS, 1879-1949 + Malesha Nee?, b.NY 1890-1974 6. Richard V HICKS, 1914-1973 (Need information) 6. Hudnall S HICKS, 1911-1989 + Isabelle Lee McKAY (2nd Marriage?, Children?) 5. William Thomas HICKS 1881-1947 + ?Milly? or Willy? G Nee? 1884 6. William 'Gibson' HICKS 1911-1972 6. John Morgan HICKS 1914-1972 6. Mildred G Hicks 1917-1997 6. Katerine E Hicks 1920 6. Mitchell W Hicks 1922 6. Kenneth C Hicks 1924 6. Dorothy A Hicks 1927 5. Mary Green Hicks 1891-1970 + Percy Warren McKAY 1888-1970 6. Robert Hicks McKAY, 1916 + Charlotte Jane Swadley 1920 6. William Penrose McKAY 1917-1979 + Leona Elizabeth Anderson 6. Mary Elizabeth McKAY, 1919 + Robert ALLEN 6. Richard Hudnall McKAY, 1922 + Ruby PEARSON 6. Percy Warren McKAY, 6. Emma Francis McKAY + Ronald Elliot WALKER 3. Benjamin F HICKS 1820-1898 + Ann E McKAY 1829 4. Robert V HICKS, 1853-1920 (d. TX) + Mary J Nee? 1858 5. Lou C HICKS, 1880 (need info.) 5. Augustin M HICKS, 1885 (d. CA?) + Nita L Nee? (d. CA?) 6. Mary L HICKS, (M'd. Had a child? CA?) 4. Emma A Hicks 1755, Unwed 4. S Gilbert HICKS, Unwed 4. Lucy A Hicks 1858 + George Henry Sowers 3. Catherine Cecelia HICKS, 1822-1866 + Col. Thos. B MASSIE, 1820 - 1908 4. Edw. Gilbert MASSIE, 1842 + Sarah J RUST, dsp 4. Wm. Benjamin MASSIE, 1844 (Need info.) 4. Anna Virginia Massie, 1848 (Id Twin) + Edw. Scott RUST, (Several children) 5. Benjamin C RUST 1871 + Myrtle J Billingsly (Children) 5. Ada Scott RUST + Jessie Clemmons STEWART, 1866-1942 (5 children. Born & lived in TX.) 5. Julia Catherine RUST, 1875, Last b. VA. Lived TX & OK. + Alva Benton Russell (8 children. Lived in OK ) 5. Effie RUST + Oliver Billingsley (Children) 5. Bertha Rust + Will MIDDICK (children) 4. Ada Ernestine MASSIE, 1859 + Thos. Fulton OSBORNE 1867 (Out of chronological order. Children. Lived in NC.) 4. Glenmore 'Glenn' MASSIE, 1851 + Mary A Nee? (TX. Need info.) 4. Emma Catherine 'Kate" Massie, 1853 + ANDERSON (VA) dsp 4. Ernest Clifford Massie 1855-1859 4. Thomas Ben? Massie, 1861 (Family Bible.. Need Info.) There were other Massies by a 2nd marriage. But they were not Hicks' desc's. Further children of Stephen Hicks & Emma Rust: 3. Isaiah A HICKS, 1823 (unwed) 3. Ann Matilda HICKS, 1825 + Vincent Redmond RUST 1819 (Children.. W. VA.) 3. Emma 'Elizabeth' HICKS, 1827 + Wm Tobias RUST 1820 (8 Children.. W. VA?) 3. Mary Virginia HICKS 1829 + George Bayly RUST, 1826 (Children) 3. Stephen G HICKS, 1831-1859 (d. Unwed.)

The father would sign unless he was deceased - remember women were pretty much chattel in those days. Even when the father died, a guardian was assigned to watch over the children even if they were left with the mother. If the bride or groom was 21, no one would sign for that party. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VASHENAN] Another Question? Date: 4/8/2003 1:02:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:diane.kittle@voyager.net">diane.kittle@voyager.net</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com">VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) If the father was still living would a mother sign for a son's marriage? Would it be correct that only a son under age would even have his mother sign for him? ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

From the abbreviations in the front of the book - S is for son. Surety would be listed as a bond. sis = sister std = Stepdaughter stm - Stepmother sts = stepson That's all the S's. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [VASHENAN] Question? Date: 4/8/2003 4:18:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:diane.kittle@voyager.net">diane.kittle@voyager.net</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com">VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) I do not know. The actual abbreviation meanings were in the front of the book that had been compiled at the library but I do not have access to one now. I thought someone may know for sure. Then again, maybe the reason I only wrote down the abbreviation of "d" and "b" was that no others were listed and we'll have to guess. I can't remember if other abbreviations were listed or not. I was satisfied with the first answer that it stands for "son" but now I'm not sure if that was a suggestion, guess, or fact. Anyone out there know for sure what an "s" stands for? In case, the previous message was missed - In marriage records the name of the bride and groom is listed, followed by the marriage date, and then it either states" reg., d of name (daughter), b of name (bondsman), ward of name (ward) and now I've found one that says "s of Susannah" and we're trying to decide if this means son of Susannah or surety of Susannah. I would also like to know if a mother would have signed for a son if he was of age 21 and if a mother would have signed if the father was alive? Any help here will certainly be appreciated. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Chocybrown@aol.com [mailto:Chocybrown@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:07 AM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Question? Could it stand for "surety" ? ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Susannah Henry was the mother of Moses Henry that married Nellie (Eleanor) Humes (Hooms) in 1790. Thomas Humes deeded 100 acreas to Moses Henry Jr. due to the kindness of said Henry. These activities and the following marriages occurred in Shenandoah Co., VA. My questions: Was the Moses Henry that married Eleanor Humes the Moses b. in 1753 or his son b. abt. 1773? The Moses b. in 1753 probably did have a son or grandson that later married Emily Morgan abt. 1843. Which Moses married Martha Manery in 1798 or Elizabeth Morgan 1825? Was Thomas Humes deeding land to his son-in-law or grandson? Any ideas out there?