The url for the tax lists is http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Digby To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Fw: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings I do not know how to post messages to this site. Help!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Davis" <msealock32@msn.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings There used to be a wonderful website all about Shenandoah and Page County records. Because of the constant negative emails from "Whiners" it was removed. Don't let this happen to the tax list - they are full of wonderful info. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: Alley To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: RE: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Aww, Steve and Bunny, I'm sorry to hear you have gotten negative comments. I think you're doing a wonderful service. Please continue. Amazing that some whine while gaining access to a free site with so much information. Alley -----Original Message----- From: Steve and Yvonne [mailto:ysbinns@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:06 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Hi Tom, Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it is in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons list. Good luck in your searches !! Steve and Bunny ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

I think i have it figured out, now.Thanks for the help. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances" <fkeenan@goldrush.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings your message just appeared on the list so what you did to get it on is what you do to post a message.. Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Digby" <cad@friendlynet.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Fw: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > I do not know how to post messages to this site. Help!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Davis" <msealock32@msn.com> > To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > > > There used to be a wonderful website all about Shenandoah and Page County > records. Because of the constant negative emails from "Whiners" it was > removed. Don't let this happen to the tax list - they are full of wonderful > info. Marge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alley > To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:16 PM > Subject: RE: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > > > Aww, Steve and Bunny, I'm sorry to hear you have gotten negative comments. > I think you're doing a wonderful service. Please continue. Amazing that > some whine while gaining access to a free site with so much information. > > Alley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve and Yvonne [mailto:ysbinns@msn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:06 PM > To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > > > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several > negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much > since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was > greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! > > Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in > many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it > is > in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons > list. > Good luck in your searches !! > > Steve and Bunny > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or > VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. > > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Okay, thanks for your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jwbake@aol.com To: cad@friendlynet.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: How to post messages All you have to do is e-mail your message to vashenan-L@rootsweb.com Be sure to fill in the Subject line with an appropiate title.

There used to be a wonderful website all about Shenandoah and Page County records. Because of the constant negative emails from "Whiners" it was removed. Don't let this happen to the tax list - they are full of wonderful info. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: Alley To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: RE: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Aww, Steve and Bunny, I'm sorry to hear you have gotten negative comments. I think you're doing a wonderful service. Please continue. Amazing that some whine while gaining access to a free site with so much information. Alley -----Original Message----- From: Steve and Yvonne [mailto:ysbinns@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:06 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Hi Tom, Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it is in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons list. Good luck in your searches !! Steve and Bunny ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

I do not know how to post messages to this site. Help!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Davis" <msealock32@msn.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings There used to be a wonderful website all about Shenandoah and Page County records. Because of the constant negative emails from "Whiners" it was removed. Don't let this happen to the tax list - they are full of wonderful info. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: Alley To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: RE: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Aww, Steve and Bunny, I'm sorry to hear you have gotten negative comments. I think you're doing a wonderful service. Please continue. Amazing that some whine while gaining access to a free site with so much information. Alley -----Original Message----- From: Steve and Yvonne [mailto:ysbinns@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:06 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Hi Tom, Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it is in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons list. Good luck in your searches !! Steve and Bunny ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe.

Aww, Steve and Bunny, I'm sorry to hear you have gotten negative comments. I think you're doing a wonderful service. Please continue. Amazing that some whine while gaining access to a free site with so much information. Alley -----Original Message----- From: Steve and Yvonne [mailto:ysbinns@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:06 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings Hi Tom, Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it is in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons list. Good luck in your searches !! Steve and Bunny

Thanks to all of you for your help. I forwarded the replies to the inquirer. Sure am relieved to know DAR isn't "that" picky! Alley

Alley Are you referring to a photocopy of an original record submitted with an application to DAR? If so, you could write to NSDAR and see what the procedure is for obtaining a photocopy of the documents submitted. Also, you could contact the chapter registrar of the chapter that submitted the original application and see if someone has a photocopy of the original church records or if they are maybe still in existence in a library or archives. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alley" <alley@tampabay.rr.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: [VASHENAN] How does one get original church records? > > How would a person get a copy of the original record of birth, in > particular, the birth of Abraham Imschweller to Johannes and Catharina > Imschweller on March 29, 1801 for the Lutheran Zion-Pine Church of Stoney > Creek? The person does not want the transcribed record but instead, wants > the un-transcribed record copied for DAR admission. > > Alley > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > >

your message just appeared on the list so what you did to get it on is what you do to post a message.. Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Digby" <cad@friendlynet.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Fw: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > I do not know how to post messages to this site. Help!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Davis" <msealock32@msn.com> > To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > > > There used to be a wonderful website all about Shenandoah and Page County > records. Because of the constant negative emails from "Whiners" it was > removed. Don't let this happen to the tax list - they are full of wonderful > info. Marge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alley > To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:16 PM > Subject: RE: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > > > Aww, Steve and Bunny, I'm sorry to hear you have gotten negative comments. > I think you're doing a wonderful service. Please continue. Amazing that > some whine while gaining access to a free site with so much information. > > Alley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve and Yvonne [mailto:ysbinns@msn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:06 PM > To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > > > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several > negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much > since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was > greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! > > Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in > many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it > is > in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons > list. > Good luck in your searches !! > > Steve and Bunny > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or > VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. > > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > > >

In a message dated 7/31/2003 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, rfuller@shentel.net writes: > Hi Ally, I think DAR is putting the squeeze on your friend. If the public > record [recopied Books of Church records] have been verified and housed in a > public library they should accept a copy of that record. You are correct Lena .... I was the editor of the DAR Patriot Index and Nalt. Chairman for 9 years and they do not require original records ...

Hi Ally, I think DAR is putting the squeeze on your friend. If the public record [recopied Books of Church records] have been verified and housed in a public library they should accept a copy of that record. The US government did when proving birth for SS#. She should write DAR Headquarters- easy to bring up on web for address to verify requirement. Lena

Alley - There aren't very many birth records from those days - maybe a baptismal or christening record whcih would be at the church. Does the person know if it exists? Maybe they need to find out where the transcription came from and trace the original from there? Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VASHENAN] How does one get original church records? Date: 7/31/2003 2:47:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:alley@tampabay.rr.com">alley@tampabay.rr.com</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com">VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com">VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) How would a person get a copy of the original record of birth, in particular, the birth of Abraham Imschweller to Johannes and Catharina Imschweller on March 29, 1801 for the Lutheran Zion-Pine Church of Stoney Creek? The person does not want the transcribed record but instead, wants the un-transcribed record copied for DAR admission. Alley ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Tom, Are you talking about the Pine Forge below? Dirck Pennypacker...removed from the Perkiomen region of Pennsylvania to Sharpsburg, Maryland, established an iron working establishment there, which in the spring of 1781 was almost entirely swept away bry a freshet. Instead of rebuilding on that site he removed with his family over the mountains to Woodstock, Shenandoah County, Virginia. He first erected Redwill Furnance on Hawksbill Creek in New Market in what is now Page County and later erected another furnace a few miles below New Market, now called Pine Forge, Frederick county West(sic) Virginia. He was a pioneer iron master in that region, and the business established by him was continued by his son Benjamin and grandsons. Colonial and Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania, Volume 1, John Jordan L.L.D. In a 1785 census he had 64 white persons, 1 dwelling and 3 buildings. The persons are thought to be his helpers at the forges and his Redwell furnace. By 16 Oct. 1784, the Pennybackers were re-settled at Pine Forge in the Shenandoah Valley, as there is a record of a letter written by Dirck to his brother Jacob following the death of their father John Pennebacker on 14 June of that same year: Pine Forge bought from George Bird, Grandson of Andrew Bird. Library of Va. WPA says he built Pine Forge in 1785 on part of the original Zane grant. Pine Forge located on Smith Creek four miles below New Market. He operated Redwell until April 1796 when he leased it to his former associate, Richard Patton. About that time he leased Pine Forge to his son Benjamin and his partners, Isaac Samuels and Geroge Mayberry. Between Derick Pennybaker and Hannah his wife of Shanandoah County and Benjamin Fawcett and Delilah his wife of Rockingham County [to] Benjamin pennybacker George Mayberry and Isaac Samuels of Shanandoah County (Iron Masters) ... consideration of one thousand Pounds ... a certain small tract of Land lying and being in Shanandoah County on Smith's Creek it being the same Land which was conveyed to the said Derick Pennybaker and Benjamin Fawcett by Mounce Bird and clair his wife by their Deed of the 29th day of June 1786 ... corner to Mounce Birds land ... containing about three acres of Land ... and including a Grist Mill Saw Mill and the greatest part of the forge commonly called the pine forge together with all things thereunto belonging and all houses and buildings ... Derick Pennybaker Hannah Pennybaker B. Fawcett Recorded: 23 Feb 1792 Delilah (X) Fawcett I'm working the Samuels families and relatives. Isaac Samuels married Dirck daughter Elizabeth and had the following business relationships. Source: Shenandoah County, Virginia Deed Book Series, vol. 2 Deed Books E, F, G, H. 1784-1792 [p. 156] Deed H-333, 23 Feb, 1792 bought land on Smith's Creek along with Benjamin Pennypacker and George Mayberry from Benjamin Fawcett. Deed H-338, 23 Feb. 1792, Andrew Correll and wife Elizabeth of Rockingham Co., VA and Samuel Coffman and wife Ann of Shenandoah Co. to Benjamin Pennybacker, George Mayberry and Isaac Samuels conveyed 10 1/2 a. on Smith Creek, being part of 300 a. Correll bought from George Harrison. Contains part of Pine Forge. Deed H-340 20? Feb, 1792 along with Benjamin Pennypacker and George Mayberry bought 257 acres on Smith's Creek from Samuel Caufman, witnessed Mounce Byrd. April 1796 Pine Forge was leased from Derrick Pennybacker and operated by Isaac Samuels, George Mayberry and Benjamin Pennypacker. In 1799 he sold his share to Mayberry and Pennybacker. Gen Soc Of Page Co., Va Vol 8 No 2 the Redwell Ironworks by H.E. Comstock. Before moving to the Valley, Dirck had a forge in Md. near Antietam (city or forge?) that got washed out in a flood. Would be especially interested if you run across any Pennybacker or Samuels data. Harry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Pierce [mailto:tvpierce@infionline.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:54 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VASHENAN] Pine Forge Beginning Does anyone on the list have any hard evidence about the beginning date of Pine Forge? I am still trying to figure out several of my ironworker families who, like many industrial workers, left no deeds, wills, papers, etc. Anyway, I keep running into people too early and I'm trying to sort out whether they maybe were working at Miller's Ironworks in Augusta or whether Pine Forge (and possibly Isabella or a progenitor) started earlier than the dates I have always used. Tom ______________________________

How would a person get a copy of the original record of birth, in particular, the birth of Abraham Imschweller to Johannes and Catharina Imschweller on March 29, 1801 for the Lutheran Zion-Pine Church of Stoney Creek? The person does not want the transcribed record but instead, wants the un-transcribed record copied for DAR admission. Alley

Hi Tom, Thank you for your kind comments !! A few months ago we received several negative comments, one very negatively opinionated. We haven't done much since then to finish our task of completing our censuses. The 'flame' was greatly diminished. So it's nice to hear from you ! Thanks for the confirmation on the 'per' notation. This is spelled out in many other county tax lists but we have never seen it written the way it is in the Shenandoah tax lists. We shall add this to our learned lessons list. Good luck in your searches !! Steve and Bunny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Pierce" <tvpierce@infionline.net> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN]1789 tax list column headings > Steve and Bunny, > Your web pages are tops! Thanks for all the hard work you make available. The ? in number 8 is a superscript "pr" or per. > Tom >

Tom, I have recently found a deed for 150 acres being sold in Powell's Big Fort in 1799. The stamp on the deed was I:MR. Do you know if this could have stood for "iron". On the deed the land also included a house, farm animals, and quarry tools. Chocy

Hi Tom, "Though the exact date cannot be established Pennybacker moved to Shenandoah Co VA sometime during 1783 or 1784 where he either established or purchased Pine Forge on Smiths Creek southeast of the town of New Market"....He listed in the Shen Co 1785 heads of household census 64 souls, a dwelling and three other buildings there. [from MESDA and written by H E Comstock. May 1981 Vol VII, No 1] BUT there is a deed in Shen Co in Book F page 90--29 June 1786 where Derk Pennybacker & Benj. Fawcett purchased from Mounce Bird and Clair his wife a tract on Smith Creek "whereon now the mill stands & part of the forge being the same Bird purchased of Burr Harrison & William Strother.. including the mills and about three acres of land. And going back some more to Book C page 140 -- 15 Jul 1777 is the deed that records when Mounce Bird purchased the above tract from Harrison & Strother. Only Burr Harrisons Mill "is now standing on about 3 acres of land. No mention of the Forge in this deed. Lena F. Fuller

Does anyone on the list have any hard evidence about the beginning date of Pine Forge? I am still trying to figure out several of my ironworker families who, like many industrial workers, left no deeds, wills, papers, etc. Anyway, I keep running into people too early and I'm trying to sort out whether they maybe were working at Miller's Ironworks in Augusta or whether Pine Forge (and possibly Isabella or a progenitor) started earlier than the dates I have always used. Tom

I have records of one of my ancestors baptism at the Dutch Chapel Church in Strassburg, Va in 1790. In 1802 and 1806 two of his brothers were baptized at St Pauls Church in Strassburg. Can anyone tell me if these two churches were the same church? Glenn Cline

I still have about 5 of the original 100 copies my book on Cornelius Bowman and his ancestors and descendants. If you would like a copy please send a check in the amount of $25 to me at: Edward L. Bowman, Attorney at Law 4800 Clearview Drive Bartlesville, OK 74006 Please include your mailing address and your email address. If you are not satisfied with the book I will refund your money if you return it undamaged within three days after you receive it. The book still needs some editing but my plan is to get the first version out in circulation so that I can receive comments and edit it for commercial publication. The work is 8/12 by 11 spiral bound printed by a print shop. It includes over 311 pages of text, 48 photos, and 31 copies of documents. The work provides evidence for the proposition that about 1763 Cornelius lived near Harrisonburg VA and that he was a descendant of Joris Jacobsen Bowman who was living in the New Netherlands by about 1651. There is also a hint that Joris Jacobsen was the son of a Jacob Pieterszen who was in the New Netherlands by 1652. I have not established just when Joris came to America. It is possible that Joris was not an immigrant but that instead that his father was the immigrant who was among the earliest settlers in the New Netherlands and on Long Island. It appears that my branch of the family of Joris Jacobsen migrated from Long Island to Staten Island to New Brunswick NJ to Readington NJ to Harrisonburg VA. It is believed that Cornelius Bowman (b abt 1740) married Susannah Pointer (Poynter?) or Painter about 1764 at the Cooks Creek Presbyterian Church near Harrisonburg VA. The book discusses a number of other Bowman families who lived in the Shenadoah Valley and other places in VA in the 1700's and it follows Cornelius from Abbotts Creek in NC to near Lenoir NC in the 1770's to Watauga(now TN) about 1782, then to KY by about 1795. It discusses his children and their children. It then takes off on my branch of the family which comes from Cornelius's son Rev. Thomas Bowman. Rev. Thomas's Bowman's son Absalom, my gg grandfather, moved from KY to AR or MO about the time of the Civil War. My great grandfather James Levi (or Lee) married in Denton County TX and then later moved to near Stillwater OK. The book mentions other Bowman's, some related and some not related, who lived in AR, TX and OK about the same time as my ancestors were in those areas. Some other names mentioned include: Boone/Van Meter/ Scholl/ Linkhorn (Lincoln)/Van Pelt/ Denton/ Staats/ Bodine/Sevier/Bird/McDowell/Ruddell/Hite/Stover/Potter/Painter/Pointer/ Poynter/Denton/Keller/Hottel/Hunt/Harrison/McBride/Brock/Huffman/Moore/ Gabbard/Smith/Lynch/Beeler/Gay/Hamilton/Walkup/Isaacs/Lenoir/Dyer/Combs/Love/ Sebourn/Anderson/Norris/Lawson/Linville/Hanks/Tipton/George Rogers Clark/Gabriel Jones