Tom Pierce....you need to resub to the list. The boogeyman gotcha. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Pierce [mailto:tvpierce@infionline.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:37 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [VASHENAN] Revercomb marriage Thanks, Mary. Do you know why there is not mention of Thomas Forrer in the records that I looked at (admittedly very quickly)? Did he die soon after? Tom "Raymond F. Randall" wrote: > Her name was Mary Forrer. Here is a copy of her brothers will. Hope it > helps. > > Mary Randall > > FORRER, SAMUEL P. - Will Book O-175 > > After debts (if any) & funeral expenses my estate real & personal be > equally divided between the children of my sister, Mary Revercomb > decd, the children of my sister, Elizabeth Kendrick & my sister, > Catharine Utz; the children of my sisters, Mary & Elizabeth - each & > my sister Catharine, the remaining . But with this condition that > sometime in the month of March or April 1869, I executed a bond to the > legal representatives of Abraham Kendrick decd for some $3,000 or > $3,500 - did not then nor do I now consider myself to be entitled to > them in any amount whatever. If payment of said bond shall be demanded > the amount of the same shall be deducted from the amount which under > the foregoing provisions of this instrument would be coming to the > children of my Sister, Elizabeth & ½ of the same added to the interest > of the children of my Sister, Mary & the other ½ to my Sister, > Catharine. > I direct that any portion of my estate which under the provisions of > this will, would be coming to Jane P. Gatewood the wife of Wright > Gatewood & Isabella Browning the wife of Frank A. Browning shall not > be subject to the control and be liable for the debts, contracts & > obligations of their said husbands but for the exclusive use, benefit > & enjoyment of them. > > Samuel Forrer > Witnesses - F. M. Perry, J. W. Watson > Written - 20 Jun 1873 - Page Co., Va. > Recorded - 26 Jun 1876 > > Message text written by INTERNET:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com > >In a message dated 8/18/2003 6:57:31 PM Central Standard Time, > tvpierce@infionline.net writes: > > > > > According to Vogt and Kethley in Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds, > > Jacob Revercomb and Polly Farrer, dau of Thos, were bonded to be married > > January 12, 1817. I believe the family location to be near Luray. In > > that case, the bride's surname may not be correct. Does anyone have > > information on the actual spelling on that marriage bond > > I have not seen the actual marriage bond, but suspect the surname might be > FORRER.< > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

I was just unsubbed. I really don't know what is going on but the email I received said I sent spam to the list. I did not, of course. I just set the amount of bounces to the highest allowed which is 16. That may or may not help. Alley *** I looked at my family tree...there were two dogs using it. ***

Hi Alley, I don't know if anyone else's bouncing is due to same reason mine might be or not. I recently had a really persistent problem getting my mail to come in. The internet server was the problem. After about 4 days of hassle, I got together with my tech and we redid my user name and password and solved the problem. I have no idea what caused it, but I had to make changes to get things going again. I expect this happens to other folks as well. I've talked to friends who've been thru same thing. Thankfully, it looks like VASHENAN didn't boot me out. Ann in OH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alley" <alley@tampabay.rr.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: [VASHENAN] What to do when you're automatically un-subbed > I'm getting dozens of bounces (bounced mail is when the mail is sent to you > and your ISP bounces it back to me). The VASHENAN list is set up to > automatically unsub anyone after x amount of bounces. I do not know the > reason for so many bounces. > > If you somehow find yourself being un-subscribed from this list, just resub > yourself. Send a message to > > VASHENAN-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > with the word - subscribe - in the subject area. That's it. Don't sit there > worrying about what you did wrong. Just re-sub. Okey dokey? > > Alley Blackford > Shenandoah County List Mgr > > *** I looked at my family tree...there were two dogs using it. *** > > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. >

Tom, Thats a great point. I have studied these lists over and over again along with the map I have by ADC trying to pinpoint land where I have found deeds. It is interesting that you mentioned the BUSHONGS as I have the deed where William and Catherine RODGERS transferred title to them. Since I am interested in Robert ROGERS who married Millie LEWIN who is on the opposite list (the one that KNISELY is enumerated). There is also a James ROGERS listed a few of the years; but I have not been able to link James or Robert to each other or to William and Catherine Rodgers. I have a wonderful copy of William Rodgers in his statements during the Fairfax Land Suit that pretty much describes the land he sold to BUSHONG. Anyhow, thanks for the tip. Chocy

I'm getting dozens of bounces (bounced mail is when the mail is sent to you and your ISP bounces it back to me). The VASHENAN list is set up to automatically unsub anyone after x amount of bounces. I do not know the reason for so many bounces. If you somehow find yourself being un-subscribed from this list, just resub yourself. Send a message to VASHENAN-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM with the word - subscribe - in the subject area. That's it. Don't sit there worrying about what you did wrong. Just re-sub. Okey dokey? Alley Blackford Shenandoah County List Mgr *** I looked at my family tree...there were two dogs using it. ***

-----Original Message----- From: Tom Pierce [mailto:tvpierce@infionline.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:07 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [VASHENAN] Personal Property Tax Lists Shenandoah County, VA Chocy, The easy and quick way I've found to tell which list is which is to just look for Thomas Allen Jr. and Sr. They appear near the start of the list that covers Page County, Warren County and the Fort Valley. The other list (for the main valley) will always have Bushongs near the start of the B's. Tom Chocybrown@aol.com wrote: > You can order microfilm from the Library of Virginia at Richmond through your > local library interbranch loan program. I have recently viewed the following > film: > > Department of Taxation > Personal Property Tax Lists > Shenadoah County, Virginia > > 1782-1799 Microfilm Reel #315 > 1800-1818 Microfilm Reel #316 > 1819-1830 Microfilm Reel #317 > > Each year is broke down into two lists. For example: 1819-List > B-Samuel Bare's District; 1819-List A-Joseph Strickler's District. > List A and List B Districts change the name of who is in charge of the > district. For example, Samuel Bare may have the List A and Joseph Strickler > may have the List B; however, they have the same people they had the year > before. > As the years go on, I noted that that same district person could be assigned > List A or B; but the people on that particular list are are always the same > ones he enumerated the previous year. > I, too, would like to know the locations. In an effort to do that, I > copied different pages of interest and in some of the years I have copied the > entire year as a baseline in an effort to find the locations of the families I > am interested. > For example, if anyone on this list, knows where George Knisely lived, > I could pinpoint the district that Joseph Strickler operated from in a number > of years. I found him and his family buried in the cemeteries around Detrick > just north of Overall this area being southwest of Front Royal and south east > of Woodstock which lines up with the 1815 landowners that state he lived in > that direction from the county courthouse. > 1813 List B states "List of the Titheables and Taxable Property within > the district of the Ninety seventh Regiment Shenandoah by James Headly on the > Commissioners of the Revenue of the said County for th year ---- 1813" > Chocy > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe.

Tom......Don't know if my last reply got through. Previous efforts caused me to get 'unsubscribed' from this list. Don and Alley made suggestions for me to try and this is my effort.........Eugene

Eugene, I just came in a few minutes ago so can only send a partial answer tonight. More to follow. The 1830 census shows all the Roy's in the "Eastern District" I see James Roy and an Anna who may be the widow of William. Anyway, I believe all these folks to be in the Luray or Fort Valleys (this from the tax records which show the Roy's in the 97th regt. area). Putting the two together says they lived north of Overall Run, in either the Luray or Fort Valley. The personal property tax lists are available from the LDS or from the state library in Richmond. I have a few and I will look at them and try to figure out neighbors. In general, neighbors had their property lists recorded for the same day; that's not absolutely true and I always suggest checking more than one year before drawing any conclusion. I hope to find a neighbor whose location I know (somebody like Gilbert Morgan or Charles Buck, for example). Often I can figure out a location within a 5 mile circle that way. Tom "H. Eugene McInturff" wrote: > Tom, my interest are Elijah, James and William Roy. Elijah & > William were listed at Pine Forge and James was at Speedwell > Forge.........Eugene > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Her name was Mary Forrer. Here is a copy of her brothers will. Hope it helps. Mary Randall FORRER, SAMUEL P. - Will Book O-175 After debts (if any) & funeral expenses my estate real & personal be equally divided between the children of my sister, Mary Revercomb decd, the children of my sister, Elizabeth Kendrick & my sister, Catharine Utz; the children of my sisters, Mary & Elizabeth - each & my sister Catharine, the remaining . But with this condition that sometime in the month of March or April 1869, I executed a bond to the legal representatives of Abraham Kendrick decd for some $3,000 or $3,500 - did not then nor do I now consider myself to be entitled to them in any amount whatever. If payment of said bond shall be demanded the amount of the same shall be deducted from the amount which under the foregoing provisions of this instrument would be coming to the children of my Sister, Elizabeth & ½ of the same added to the interest of the children of my Sister, Mary & the other ½ to my Sister, Catharine. I direct that any portion of my estate which under the provisions of this will, would be coming to Jane P. Gatewood the wife of Wright Gatewood & Isabella Browning the wife of Frank A. Browning shall not be subject to the control and be liable for the debts, contracts & obligations of their said husbands but for the exclusive use, benefit & enjoyment of them. Samuel Forrer Witnesses - F. M. Perry, J. W. Watson Written - 20 Jun 1873 - Page Co., Va. Recorded - 26 Jun 1876 Message text written by INTERNET:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com >In a message dated 8/18/2003 6:57:31 PM Central Standard Time, tvpierce@infionline.net writes: > > According to Vogt and Kethley in Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds, > Jacob Revercomb and Polly Farrer, dau of Thos, were bonded to be married > January 12, 1817. I believe the family location to be near Luray. In > that case, the bride's surname may not be correct. Does anyone have > information on the actual spelling on that marriage bond I have not seen the actual marriage bond, but suspect the surname might be FORRER.<

You can order microfilm from the Library of Virginia at Richmond through your local library interbranch loan program. I have recently viewed the following film: Department of Taxation Personal Property Tax Lists Shenadoah County, Virginia 1782-1799 Microfilm Reel #315 1800-1818 Microfilm Reel #316 1819-1830 Microfilm Reel #317 Each year is broke down into two lists. For example: 1819-List B-Samuel Bare's District; 1819-List A-Joseph Strickler's District. List A and List B Districts change the name of who is in charge of the district. For example, Samuel Bare may have the List A and Joseph Strickler may have the List B; however, they have the same people they had the year before. As the years go on, I noted that that same district person could be assigned List A or B; but the people on that particular list are are always the same ones he enumerated the previous year. I, too, would like to know the locations. In an effort to do that, I copied different pages of interest and in some of the years I have copied the entire year as a baseline in an effort to find the locations of the families I am interested. For example, if anyone on this list, knows where George Knisely lived, I could pinpoint the district that Joseph Strickler operated from in a number of years. I found him and his family buried in the cemeteries around Detrick just north of Overall this area being southwest of Front Royal and south east of Woodstock which lines up with the 1815 landowners that state he lived in that direction from the county courthouse. 1813 List B states "List of the Titheables and Taxable Property within the district of the Ninety seventh Regiment Shenandoah by James Headly on the Commissioners of the Revenue of the said County for th year ---- 1813" Chocy

Tom, my interest are Elijah, James and William Roy. Elijah & William were listed at Pine Forge and James was at Speedwell Forge.........Eugene

Eugene, I can't comment on Census Images since I've never looked at it. But, I'm 100% sure of what I wrote: Pine Forge and Speedwell were just small sites - not districts. If you look at page 159 of the 1820 census, you can see a horizontal line all across the page just above James Sterrett's name. There is a second horizontal line just below John L??? (I'm sorry - my eyes are tired tonight and I can't read that name). Next to that second line is the notation "Population of Speedwell Forge" In the left margin is the notation (Speedwell Forge. Then, just below that second line is Benjamin Blackford's name which starts the names for Isabella Furnace. On page 165, there is a short, heavy, horizontal line just below Daniel Strickler's name and then Benjamin Pennybaker's name. Then just below Hannah Griffy's name is another heavy, short line, and in the left margin is the notation Pine Forge. It's easy to tell that the census taker quickly moved away from Pine Forge as you come to several Hawkins just down the page. On the following page, you can see Abraham Alger, Henry Price, John Koontz, William Price, etc who are all near Alma. So, I think he picked up Pine Forge, got a few people near Hawkinstown, then rode across the mountain and up Battle Creek. Anyway, tell me who you're looking for and I can maybe help you. Tom "H. Eugene McInturff" wrote: > Tom.......I truly appreciate your input but now I'm more confused > than ever. Census Images at Ancestry.com shows 210 HOH's > enumerated at Speedwell Forge and 409 HOH's enumerated at Pine > Forge. > > Additionally, a Thomas Sterrett is shown living at Turkes Ville, > Berkeley Co., VA but not one in/near Shenandoah Co. > > The 1830 census images gives the location as 'Eastern District' > for those of whom I have an interest and that really doesn't help > me a lot 'cause I don't know what territory is involved. > > Can you advise if the personal property tax list, that you > mentioned, have been published and if so where can one acquire > copies. Thanks.......Eugene > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

You can order microfilm from the Library of Virginia at Richmond through your local library interbranch loan program. I have recently viewed the following film: Department of Taxation Personal Property Tax Lists Shenadoah County, Virginia 1782-1799 Microfilm Reel #315 1800-1818 Microfilm Reel #316 1819-1830 Microfilm Reel #317 Each year is broke down into two lists. For example: 1819-List B-Samuel Bare's District; 1819-List A-Joseph Strickler's District. List A and List B Districts change the name of who is in charge of the district. For example, Samuel Bare may have the List A and Joseph Strickler may have the List B; however, they have the same people they had the year before. As the years go on, I noted that that same district person could be assigned List A or B; but the people on that particular list are are always the same ones he enumerated the previous year. I, too, would like to know the locations. In an effort to do that, I copied different pages of interest and in some of the years I have copied the entire year as a baseline in an effort to find the locations of the families I am interested. For example, if anyone on this list, knows where George Knisely lived, I could pinpoint the district that Joseph Strickler operated from in a number of years. I found him and his family buried in the cemeteries around Detrick just north of Overall this area being southwest of Front Royal and south east of Woodstock which lines up with the 1815 landowners that state he lived in that direction from the county courthouse. 1813 List B states "List of the Titheables and Taxable Property within the district of the Ninety seventh Regiment Shenandoah by James Headly on the Commissioners of the Revenue of the said County for th year ---- 1813" Chocy

On the copy of the 1820 census for Shenandoah County, I have (which I believe is a transcribed one) In addition to Pine Forge District, it list Speedwll Forge with 8 names, one of which is James Sterritt. Other districts are; Isabella Furnace, Luray, and Woodstock. THE Pine Forge District seems to be a large district so, I suppose it did in fact extend from the county boundry near Front Royal to near the New Market area. On second thought, in re-reading this, there are 16 names under Pine Forge and then a row of asterisks separating that list from the next which is not identified. The next portion definitely was South of Front Royal because I can identify several names from that area. So, in fact it appears my ancestors were not in the Pine Forge District after all. Sorry for the confusion. Guess sometimes we have to be more careful and even read between the lines. LOL Walt

Pine Forge itself was near New Market, but the 1820 census has "Pine Forge District for the area South of Front Royal, that is the reason for the confusion. Wondering why it was called that, etc. Walt

In the 1920's Pine Forge was in the Lee District which included Borden (New Market Station), Quicksburg, Forestville, Moore's Store, Valley View Springs and New Market. Mary Message text written by INTERNET:VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com >Tom.......I truly appreciate your input but now I'm more confused than ever. Census Images at Ancestry.com shows 210 HOH's enumerated at Speedwell Forge and 409 HOH's enumerated at Pine Forge. Additionally, a Thomas Sterrett is shown living at Turkes Ville, Berkeley Co., VA but not one in/near Shenandoah Co. The 1830 census images gives the location as 'Eastern District' for those of whom I have an interest and that really doesn't help me a lot 'cause I don't know what territory is involved. Can you advise if the personal property tax list, that you mentioned, have been published and if so where can one acquire copies. Thanks.......Eugene <

Thanks Walt........I must agree with your observations. Please see my reply to Tom Pierce's correspondence........Eugene

Tom.......I truly appreciate your input but now I'm more confused than ever. Census Images at Ancestry.com shows 210 HOH's enumerated at Speedwell Forge and 409 HOH's enumerated at Pine Forge. Additionally, a Thomas Sterrett is shown living at Turkes Ville, Berkeley Co., VA but not one in/near Shenandoah Co. The 1830 census images gives the location as 'Eastern District' for those of whom I have an interest and that really doesn't help me a lot 'cause I don't know what territory is involved. Can you advise if the personal property tax list, that you mentioned, have been published and if so where can one acquire copies. Thanks.......Eugene

I believe I know where Pine Forge was near New Market but it doesn't make a lot of sense that people from that area would be involved in a census in Front Royal. Quite a distance even over the mountain. In both of our cases our individuals lived just South of Front Royal. Just curious why they would call it the Pine Forge Distict on the 1820 census. Obviously, the same person did the census for the area caled "Pine forge District". Since the enumerators were obviously asigned certain named districts, i.e. Shenandoah, Luray, Pine Forge, etc. sems like there would be a record some place as to the oficial localities of the named districts. Walt

There was no Pine Forge District, nor a Speedwell District either. Pine Forge was just an industrial site (a forge and a coupla mills) about 5 miles N of New market on Smiths Creek. Speedwell was the same sort of place about 1.5 miles N of Luray on Hawksbill Creek. When the 1820 census says "Speedwell", it means the eight families starting with James Sterrett. Likewise, when it says "Pine Forge", it means the sixteen families starting with Benjamin Pennybaker. The census taker jumped around quite a bit, so there's no guarantee that a name on the page after "Pine Forge" is anywhere close. There are other ways to place people. The personal property tax lists usually covered a specific geographical area on a particular day. The 1830 census can also give you a fairly good idea if you're looking in Luray Valley. Tom "H. Eugene McInturff" wrote: > Thanks Walt for the reply. Just where was Pine Forge? In > looking at the 1820 census I recognize several names listed in > the Pine Forge dist. such as Isaac Overall who lived some 10-12 > miles south of Front Royal but can't figure out the total area > encompassed..........Eugene > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html