PART #1 Shenandoah County, VA Personal Property Tax List 1782-1799 Taken from copies of Microfilm Reel #315 Available for inter branch loan at you local library from the Library of Virginia at Richmond. "Requested Look-ups" BAYLES, HAWKINS, HUPP, QUICK, WILLIAMS, WILSON 1782 (Full list searched) Hawkins, Joseph; No. of Poll Tithables-1; Horses-1; Cattle-1; Tax -,12,3. No "Q" Williams, Jalsons; No. of Poll Tithables-1; Horses-1; Cattle-4; Tax-not showing. Williams, William; No. of Poll Tithables-2; Horses-1; Cattle-5; Tax-not showing. Wilson, John; No. of Poll Tithables-1; Horses-3; Cattles-8; Tax-not showing. Wilson, Joseph; No. of Poll Tithables-1; Horses-6; Cattle-12; Tax-not showing. Wilson, Archibald; No. of Poll Tithables-1; Horses-4; Cattle 12; Tax-not showing. 1783 (A through partial S searched) Hawkings, Joseph and Slave Nott; No. of Poll Tithables-1; Slaves over 16-1;Horses-3; Cattle-5; Covering Horses-1; Price of Covering-30/; Tax-2,17,3. Only "Q" on the list was Quinn, Patrick I don't have the "W" part of this list. 1784 (I only have parts of this list) There is a Bayley, John K. on the part of the "B" list. Hawkins, Joseph; Poll Tithable-1; Horses-4; Cattle-11; Price Covering Horse-1,24/; Tax-not showing. Only "Q" listed was Quinn, Patrick. I don't have the "W" part of this list. 1785 I don't have all the B's and H's on this list. Patrick Quinn is still the only Q. I don't have any of the "W" part of the list. 1786 (I only have parts of this list) Bellis, Henry; Whites above 21 yrs.-1; Horses-4; Cattle-10 Patrick Quinn is still the only Q. I don't have the H's or the W's for this list. 1787 (I only have parts of this list) Apr 9; Quinn, Patrick still only "Q". I do not have all the B's or any of the H's or W's. 1788 (I have all this list) May 28; Balles, Henry (let me know if you need the rest of the information on him) Sep 23; Hawkings, Sarah; Horses, Mares. Colts & Mules-2. (There are three full pages of H's plus two partial pages of H's & I can't read 8-9 names). Nov 1; Williams, John-Chargeable w/ Tax Williams, Jno-White male Tithable above 21 White male Tithable over 16 under 21-2; Blacks over 16-4; Black over 12 & under 16-1; Horses, Mares, Colts & Mules-5 May 5; Williams, Catherine; White male Tithable above 21-1; Horses, Mares, Colts & Mules-1. May 29; Wilson, Edward; White male Tithable above 21-1; Horses, Mares, Colts & Mules-4. June 07; Williams, Hanah wife of Shadrack Williams; ? (placed beside the entry); White male Tithable above 21-2; Horses, Mars, Colts & Mules-4.

We got a large flat glass (or maybe it was plastic) for my father when his eyes went bad. I think ,my sister got it at a eyeglass place - or since she's the "Queen of Catalogs", she may have ordered it. Bev

Joyce, I've come across Archibald W before. Let me look. It seems he was listed in the Court Records on-line at Rootsweb's Shenandoah County web-site. Let me look through my notes and I'll get back to you. Nancy At 30-08-03 16:56, you wrote: >Hi Nancy, thanks for the reply. Yes, I would have covered only surnames of >interest, as well! I studied will abstracts at the Mesa AZ LDS FHC several >years ago. Found a couple of Margaret WILSONs but not mine. One I had hopes >for, but she later married someone else, not my HUPP. Darn! I thought sure I >would find her when I happened on a book of guardianships and such. No, she >was not there! However, the marriage records I found in a microfilm show the >guardianship of Benjamin WILLIAMS, at the time of her marriage.. Her >father's name was not shown. Nor her mother's. Her mother may have been >still living? But in those days a child needed a male guardian! I am not >sure that it is important, but in the Bible records (I have the Bible) her >name is shown as Margarett. Her nickname was Peggy. > >Thanks for the help. I will have to keep looking! In the marriage records I >found yesterday or the day bef online, I found several WILSONs listed as >married in that time period, including my Margaret. Her guardian is not >shown, no parents are shown for any of these WILSON brides and grooms. I did >find an Archibald WILSON in another record yesterday, and figure he is the >father or relative at least of the Archibald W who m in 1791. Rather unusual >name. > >Joyce > > > > > > I also have a rather extensive list from the personal tax lists from > > 1782-1829. These lists have been re-organized by dates so I could >determine > > who was living near each other. However, my lists only cover surnames > > related to my families, so I'm not sure how helpful they might be. I did > > copy down Willsons. > > > >==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== >Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Please don't apologize. There were many of us sitting here waiting to hear about where to get the little "gem" and now we can all just surf on over there. Alley List Mgr -----Original Message----- From: ewbranham [mailto:ewbranham@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:07 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX LIST-SHENANDOAH CO., VA My apologies for sending the commercial website to the list. I inadvertently hit the "reply" without realizing that the request had come through the list. Sorry. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Eugene McInturff" <hemack@rmaonline.net> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX LIST-SHENANDOAH CO., VA > I'd love to have information on this 'glass'.........Eugene > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Hi Nancy, thanks for the reply. Yes, I would have covered only surnames of interest, as well! I studied will abstracts at the Mesa AZ LDS FHC several years ago. Found a couple of Margaret WILSONs but not mine. One I had hopes for, but she later married someone else, not my HUPP. Darn! I thought sure I would find her when I happened on a book of guardianships and such. No, she was not there! However, the marriage records I found in a microfilm show the guardianship of Benjamin WILLIAMS, at the time of her marriage.. Her father's name was not shown. Nor her mother's. Her mother may have been still living? But in those days a child needed a male guardian! I am not sure that it is important, but in the Bible records (I have the Bible) her name is shown as Margarett. Her nickname was Peggy. Thanks for the help. I will have to keep looking! In the marriage records I found yesterday or the day bef online, I found several WILSONs listed as married in that time period, including my Margaret. Her guardian is not shown, no parents are shown for any of these WILSON brides and grooms. I did find an Archibald WILSON in another record yesterday, and figure he is the father or relative at least of the Archibald W who m in 1791. Rather unusual name. Joyce > > I also have a rather extensive list from the personal tax lists from > 1782-1829. These lists have been re-organized by dates so I could determine > who was living near each other. However, my lists only cover surnames > related to my families, so I'm not sure how helpful they might be. I did > copy down Willsons.

Joyce, I also have a rather extensive list from the personal tax lists from 1782-1829. These lists have been re-organized by dates so I could determine who was living near each other. However, my lists only cover surnames related to my families, so I'm not sure how helpful they might be. I did copy down Willsons. The Willsons I found are listed at the end of this message. My oldest known ancestor was Reuben Corder who became the guardian of Martin and Elizabeth (Corder) Pence in Champaign County, OH in 1830. They m. in Shenandoah County, VA in 1812. In 1824, a Martha Corder m. David Willson in Champaign County, OH. In attempting to find Reuben's parents, I've also been looking at the Willsons, hoping the Willsons were inter-marrying with other extended family surnames.. The following are very brief Will Abstracts that mostly only name the family members mentioned in the wills. Several Margarets are mentioned. However, they all appear to be married and none to a Hupp. John Willson of Berkeley County, (W)VA was associated with the founding of the Hopewell MM House in Frederick County, VA. Members seemed to live a long ways away. Shenandoah County Abstract of Wills: Related to Willson Family Page 215 WILLIAM STEPHENSON; Will Book B page 150 - proved 1785 Son: James Stephenson; Dau: Mary Newell, wife of Sam'l Newell. Grandsons: William and James Newell. Granddaus: Jean, Martha and Mary Newell; Marget Newell; Exor: son James Stephenson Wit: John Willson, Thomas Newell and Robert Jamison Page 30 ALEXANDER CAMPBELL; will book B - pg 205; proved 1786 Exors: wife Lettice Campbell and John Wilson Wit. …Brigit Wilson and Lettice Campbell Page 169 THOMAS NEWELL - Will Book R page 136 - proved 1803 Wife Margaret Newell; Sons Thomas Newell and Samuel Newell; daus: Margaret Dould; Anne Willson; Elizabeth Martha Reder… Page 150 ROBERT MILLER; Will Book S pg 508; proved 1835 Of city of Baltimore, Merchant. Sister: Mrs. Margaret Henderson Mentions Mrs. Sarah Miller, relick of my brother John and her dau Mrs. Ege. Children of my late neice Sally West. Mentions all my interest in Estate in Union Forge of Arthur & Miller Dennison to Robert Miller in trust for his mother, Mrs. Elizabeth Dennison…Mentions neices: Mifs Jane Wilson , Mrs Rebecca McDowell, Mrs. Elizabeth Webster, Mifs Margaret Thornburgh, Mrs Sarah Mc Cauley… Page 173 JOSEPH PINGLEY; Will Book P page 458; proved 1830 Sons: Samuel Pingley; Daus: Rachel Crofs, Barbara Wilson dec'd, Mary Wilson, Susanna Roads, Elizabeth Wilson and Sarah Piseler. Page 186 GEORGE RUDDELL; Will Book Z - page 336 - proved 1850 Daus: Catharine Ruddell and Rebecca Goodrick; granddau: Ann Wilson; Son: John Ruddell; grandchildren: James and Catharine Painter 1786 Personal Tax List [this was before there were separate lists]. John Wallson Levan Willson John Willson Wm Willson Edward Willson 1792-B Tax List Wm Boothe for John Wilson I've often wonderered why an unrelated person might pay taxes for someone else. Perhaps they are paying for their indentured servants. Does anyone on the list know anything about this? Nancy Halvorson Santa Fe, NM

My apologies for sending the commercial website to the list. I inadvertently hit the "reply" without realizing that the request had come through the list. Sorry. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Eugene McInturff" <hemack@rmaonline.net> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX LIST-SHENANDOAH CO., VA > I'd love to have information on this 'glass'.........Eugene > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. >

Here is the website. http://www.magnabrite.com/html/home.htm. The little 2.5" bubble is great for "spot" reading. I haven't yet needed, and have therefore not tried, the larger size for general reading... but hope you can find something here that helps. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Eugene McInturff" <hemack@rmaonline.net> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX LIST-SHENANDOAH CO., VA > I'd love to have information on this 'glass'.........Eugene > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. >

Kym, In the years you're looking at, a tithable was 16. The tax was taken every year except for 1808 when they failed to pass the enabling legislation. These are just the personal property tax lists. There are also real estate tax lists. Most lists have just the name of the person responsible for the tax (that is, head of family or household) and the tithables are counted but not named. Often, as soon as someone married and started a home of his own, he popped up in the following year's list. If you want to look at the lists yourself, they are available from the LDS or by interlibrary loan from the VA state library (I don't know what restrictions exist on this). Tom David & Kym Pitman wrote: >I'm sure these are very stupid questions, but for someone like myself who >has not researched property tax lists, even stupid questions need answers. > >1. At what age did a male become tithable? 16? 21? >2. How often were the property tax roles taken? Yearly? > >I'd like to know before I blindly start asking people who have access to the >lists to check for my ancestor, who I am ASSUMING was living in Shenandoah >Co. from his birth in ca. 1810 until he moved to Ohio in ca.1835. All >circumstantial evidence points to the Shenandoah Co. area. > >I'll do more in-depth research as soon as I can talk my family into a >"vacation" in Richmond. For now I'm just trying to gather clues from afar. > >Kym > > > >==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. > > >

I'd love to have information on this 'glass'.........Eugene

Chocy, Your posting 29 Aug. about Personal Property Tax Lists for Shenandoah County interests me. My ancestor, Tunis Quick, Senior (I'm a Tunis Sr.'s 5g-grandson), purchased the farm of Michael Reader|Rader in 1794 on the North side of the North fork of the Shenandoah River. Tunis died in 1815. He had a relative Abraham and sons Tunis, Jr., James|Jacob, Martin, Petrus, and Ouken. In the Tunis Quick, Sr., estate sale a certain William Quick (not known by me to be related) is one of the many people to whom items were sold. You noted that you have all the "R" names, 1782-1830. I hope you have the "Q" names also. When you have the chance I would sure appreciate hearing whether there is any information about these relatives of mine. Dell Quick

Does anyone remember what year the tax lists began?? I'm interested in finding Matthias Beaver before 1787. In 1787 he was in Rockingham Co., VA, abt. 1 mile west of Tenth Legion. Before, possibly in 1784 I was told he was on the Shenandoah Co., VA tax list with 6 members in his family. Does anyone have easy access to these years? Marc Archer in Flint, MI

JW, You are correct as far as the years 1782-1786 not having the actual day and month next to the titheable; however, all the years starting with 1787 DO have the month and day of the year the titheable was enumerated; thus most years you will find the same people within the the same letter of the ABC's listed together or close to the same day. What I have done with my family is go back through the whole years and check out all the people that were enumerated on that day or close to that day. That has brought wonderful results because the names of the other people are usual the names of the families that appear on documents that I have concerning my family. This becomes a solid lead to finding information I need. Chocy

Tom, The 1788 final recap shows the following totals for Shenandoah County, VA following from columns left to right: Pages; listed 1 through 38 No. White Tithables; none listed in any or row & no column total Blacks over 16; has each page totals plus column total #241 Over 12 under 16; has each page totals plus column total #53 Horses; has each page totals plus column total #4095 Carriage wheels; has each page totals plus column total #2 Ordinary Licenses; each page totals plus column total #7 Billard Tables; each page totals plus column total #1 No. of Stud Horses; each page totals plus column total #20 Price Covering; shows amounts for each page; no column total-somthing unreadable Preachers (hard to read ?), Physians, Apothacarey & Surgeons; pg totals; col #2 On the 1788 Personal Property Tax List the first column gives the actual month, day, and year the person was enumerated. The second column list the person responsible for the tax. The second column lists the name of the white male titheables above 21 years old. The following columns are as listed above and in that order. The interesting thing here is that each year the columns change for listing of the names thereby giving you different information on the make up of the household as it pertains to the age of white males. This is NOT done in all years. There is one (don't have time right now to find it) where the second column names the white males between 16 and 21. Just found it------------1787. Anyhow, I got to get going on my chores. Chocy

I think all of us would. Barbara At 11:32 AM 8/30/03, you wrote: >I'd love to have information on this 'glass'.........Eugene > > >==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or >VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe.

I am looking for Benjamin WILLIAMS up to abt 1800, and any WILSON up to 1796. My family lived there during that time period. Margaret WILSON was orphaned by 1796 when she married Samuel HUPP. Her guardian was Benjamin WILLIAMS. Thanks in advance. Joyce > I, took, have selected years and pages from 1782 through 1830. As time > permits, I would be happy to check a specfic name if I have the year you > need. > Chocy

I'm sure these are very stupid questions, but for someone like myself who has not researched property tax lists, even stupid questions need answers. 1. At what age did a male become tithable? 16? 21? 2. How often were the property tax roles taken? Yearly? I'd like to know before I blindly start asking people who have access to the lists to check for my ancestor, who I am ASSUMING was living in Shenandoah Co. from his birth in ca. 1810 until he moved to Ohio in ca.1835. All circumstantial evidence points to the Shenandoah Co. area. I'll do more in-depth research as soon as I can talk my family into a "vacation" in Richmond. For now I'm just trying to gather clues from afar. Kym

Here's a tip that I use when viewing microfilm. Put a piece of YELLOW paper on the viewing table. For some reason the yellow makes the printing easier to read. I carry several sheets in my briefcase all the time and have handed out dozens in the library! Bev

Tom, you wrote: > Yeah, I found the same thing on 1782. I always wanted to index it but my eyes are no > longer good enough to read that terribly faded writing. I'm slowly indexing 1793 now > and I get eyestrain usually after about 40 minutes (It would have helped if John > Marshall had used a word processor with Arial font!). There is a magnifying glass on the market (company in business since 1950) which is an engineering marvel... as it not only magnifies but also gathers light. (I have been amazed to find that, using this little 2.5" bubble, I can even read computer-generated receipts so badly faded that they are almost "blank pieces of paper".) If you wish to know more about it contact me off-list. No vested interest here. Just trying to share what has been for me a "God-send".. Elaine

Elaine, I am interested in more information on that magnifying bubble you mentioned. My eyes sound just like Tom's. I love genealogy, but can only stand to do so much, before my eyes begin to burn and hurt. Sharon Wilcox wilcoxphoto@dmci.net ----- Original Message ----- From: ewbranham <ewbranham@carolina.rr.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX LIST-SHENANDOAH CO., VA > Tom, you wrote: > > > Yeah, I found the same thing on 1782. I always wanted to index it but my > eyes are no > > longer good enough to read that terribly faded writing. I'm slowly > indexing 1793 now > > and I get eyestrain usually after about 40 minutes (It would have helped > if John > > Marshall had used a word processor with Arial font!). > > There is a magnifying glass on the market (company in business since > 1950) which is an engineering marvel... as it not only magnifies but also > gathers light. (I have been amazed to find that, using this little 2.5" > bubble, I can even read computer-generated receipts so badly faded that > they are almost "blank pieces of paper".) If you wish to know more about it > contact me off-list. > No vested interest here. Just trying to share what has been for me a > "God-send".. > > Elaine > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe. > > >