can you order films from the LDS to be sent to a public library fror you to view A few have such an arraignment. Check with your public library. If you are many miles from a Family History Center (check you phone book or the list at < familysearch.org>); ask the library to consider such an arrangement. Consider a college or university library in the definition of "public library". If your local public library is using LCOC for their ILL (Interlibrary Loan), There will be no fee for the loan. The loaning library's policy determines whether the borrowing library or the individual has possession of the film/item for the loan period. Many of the public record films in LDS's FHL catalog are at the repository where the original filming was done. Check that repository's online catalog for that information and if the film ILL's. Phone the repository and speak with ILL personnel. OR spend a few minutes with you local public librarian who handles ILL. She may be able to find the item from another source. The ILL librarian can usually find a repository that will ILL a book. If you only need a specific citation/ article/page(s) copied, you can request that thru ILL. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

Hello Gil: I am not sure about a Public Library; however, go to a LDS library nearby your home and order the film from the LDS library in Salt Lake. Sincerely, Bonnie H ----- Original Message ----- From: <GilMarlin@aol.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] RE: Apprentices - 1750's Time Period > can you order films from the LDS to be sent to a public library fror you to > view? > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > >

can you order films from the LDS to be sent to a public library fror you to view?

According to the VA Land Patents/Grants at the Library of Virginia in 1802 a Moses Henry and wife Elizabeth conveyed 100 acres (land Moses received in patent Nov. 11, 1797) to Zachariah North. This is also the same 100 acres of land that Zachariah North conveys to John Boyd in 1807. My question is this - Does anyone know this Elizabeth's last name? I know that a Moses Henry married an Elizabeth Morgan, dau. of Gilbert Morgan, in Shenandoah Co., VA but that didn't happen until April 23, 1825 so who is this Elizabeth? Anyone have any ideas?

The microfilm marked ILL indicates that film can be borrowed thru a local library. No need to hire the search if you can get to a public library; this includes university/college libraries. You can get details of the process by calling or visiting the library. Plus, you will need some time when the library is open as the older films are usually harder to read! Library of Virginia allows the borrower to keep the borrowed film in their possession for the borrowing period. For some persons this is alternative accessibility to location & library hours for use of a microfilm reader/printer Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

I think I made the same assumption. Aaron Henry is the weaver - the child being apprenticed is John Small. In a message dated 9/26/2003 11:27:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PSpiker27@aol.com writes: > "Frederick County Orders 6, 1754-1755, 23: Aaron Henry, Occupation, Weaver, > > Master John Small, Beginning Date August 6, 1754, Ending Date October 1, > 1765. > Age 10." > > Regarding the above, I may have misinterpreted which person was being was > being apprenticed or indentured. I read "Master" to mean the master weaver; > > however, "Master" may have been used as the title of a young boy. > > Diane, is the record/abstract in all caps? Tell us more about your source > and transcribe it as it is in the court recording book. If you do not have > an > image of that page you should get it. You may already know which person was > 10 > years old. > > I apologize if I misinterpreted which name was the child. > > Phyllis Vannoy Spiker >

Enoch Henry had a still on the property of John Decker of Virginia in Pickaway Co., OH abt. 1810 according to the book - History of Pickaway Co. I found Enoch there in 1820 close to Luke Decker. Is anyone researching the Decker family of Shenandoah Co.?

Oh, don't apologize, I too realize that now I'm uncertain. Thanks for pointing this out to me. The information was forwarded to me by someone else who transcribed the info. I'll see if I can find the original message but don't think anything was in caps. I guess I'll have to pay someone to find the original for me and copy it so I'll be able to determine which person is the apprentice. Then I'll get back to you. I just don't have any more info than that right now. -----Original Message----- From: PSpiker27@aol.com [mailto:PSpiker27@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:27 AM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VASHENAN] RE: Apprentices - 1750's Time Period "Frederick County Orders 6, 1754-1755, 23: Aaron Henry, Occupation, Weaver, Master John Small, Beginning Date August 6, 1754, Ending Date October 1, 1765.  Age 10." Regarding the above, I may have misinterpreted which person was being was being apprenticed or indentured.  I read "Master" to mean the master weaver; however, "Master" may have been used as the title of a young boy.   Diane, is the record/abstract in all caps?  Tell us more about your source and transcribe it as it is in the court recording book.  If you do not have an image of that page you should get it. You may already know which person was 10 years old.   I apologize if I misinterpreted which name was the child. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe.

"Frederick County Orders 6, 1754-1755, 23: Aaron Henry, Occupation, Weaver, Master John Small, Beginning Date August 6, 1754, Ending Date October 1, 1765.  Age 10." Regarding the above, I may have misinterpreted which person was being was being apprenticed or indentured.  I read "Master" to mean the master weaver; however, "Master" may have been used as the title of a young boy.   Diane, is the record/abstract in all caps?  Tell us more about your source and transcribe it as it is in the court recording book.  If you do not have an image of that page you should get it. You may already know which person was 10 years old.   I apologize if I misinterpreted which name was the child. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

Phyllis, This is an exceptional response, i.e., not only interpretation but instruction on where to start next. THANK YOU sooooooo very much. I was not even aware such records existed. Quite a learning experience for me. I've really struggled not knowing what records to turn to next in the world before 1790. I really appreciate this. Thanks for taking the time to actually help me, or should I say educate me. This makes it more exciting, knowing there are so many possibilities. Diane. -----Original Message----- From: PSpiker27@aol.com [mailto:PSpiker27@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:50 AM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VASHENAN] RE: Apprentices - 1750's Time Period "Frederick County Orders 6, 1754-1755, 23: Aaron Henry, Occupation, Weaver, Master John Small, Beginning Date August 6, 1754, Ending Date October 1, 1765. Age 10." No reason is given in the wording you posted. It will take some searching to find the reason. Most indentures of orphaned boys were until age 21. In this case it appears you have his birth date!!! He should have been 21 on 1 October 1765. Suggestions: Read County court minutes & parish records back from August 6, 1754. Look for: 1. An adult summoned to tell why a child should not be removed from their care. 2. The transfer of indenture or apprenticeship. Read County court minutes forward from August 6, 1754. Look for the child's apprenticeship being transferred and at age 21 the child bringing suit against the master for not complying with the contract. These suits usually go to an equity court whatever it was called at the time. I consulted Frederick Co VA <A HREF="http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/index.htm">THE CHANCERY RECORDS INDEX</A> FOR INDEX NUMBERS and did not find either name. I don't know if the film has recordings of cases that have no papers existing - but ? LVA Reel#171 ILL Chancery Causes, 1745-001 to 1777-001. Apprenticed or indentured poor children was called "bound to" by church vestrymen called "Overseers of the Poor". One such book for Frederick Parish 1764-1780 is at the Library of Virginia. (Axelson, A Guide to Episcopal Church Records in Virginia, 1988) Christ Episcopal Church, Winchester began 1738; their parish records should be at Handley Library, Winchester (Axelson, A Guide to Episcopal Church Records in Virginia, 1988). Their manuscripts are cataloged online. Indentures & apprenticeships created a "paper". This loose paper could have had more information than the order. If there was a book for recording such, the content of the "paper" should have been transcribed. I find none on the microfilm LVA inventory for Frederick Co VA. ( Such a book could be there as a manuscript) Consult the appropriate Will Books to see if a parent by this surname had any probate, hoping for a will requesting the child be apprenticed. LVA Reel# 50 ILL Will Book 1, 1743 - 1751 c, [xxii] index, 505 p. LVA Reel# 51 ILL Will Book 2, 1752 - 1761 c, [xxii] index, 496 p. I would consult LVA Reel# 48 ILL General Index to Deeds 1, 1743 - 1839 L - Z in case he inherited land that he later had deeded to him or claimed. The deed would likely recite those circumstances. And in case he was an heir to a dispute regarding land: LVA Reel #115 ILL Land Book [Land Causes] 1, 1758 - 1832, Unpaged index, 492 p. I find no Guardian or other films I deem appropriate to consult on the LVA website. [ ILL = Interlibrary Loan] There are a few other repositories you should check: 1. Handley Library in Winchester, they may know of the whereabouts of other appropriate resources. 2. University of Virginia Special Collections; online manuscript catalog. 3. VA Historical Society in Richmond. If John Small moved out of Frederick Co and took his apprentice with him, follow that thread with the above record suggestions. Sorry, there is no one answer but this is one that has several possibilities with possibly no existing record, but one of those "YESSES" when you find it!!. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Hi Listers: The ongoing information regarding emigration form Shenandoah Co to Ohio has been interesting and will be of assistance to many. If I got all the postings, no one mentioned knowing an ancestor went to Logansport, Cass County, Indiana. Does anyone have an ancestor that emigrated to Cass Co, IN before or during the Civil War and/or joined an Indiana unit (Union). Did he return to the Shenandoah Valley? Thanks. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

"Frederick County Orders 6, 1754-1755, 23: Aaron Henry, Occupation, Weaver, Master John Small, Beginning Date August 6, 1754, Ending Date October 1, 1765. Age 10." No reason is given in the wording you posted. It will take some searching to find the reason. Most indentures of orphaned boys were until age 21. In this case it appears you have his birth date!!! He should have been 21 on 1 October 1765. Suggestions: Read County court minutes & parish records back from August 6, 1754. Look for: 1. An adult summoned to tell why a child should not be removed from their care. 2. The transfer of indenture or apprenticeship. Read County court minutes forward from August 6, 1754. Look for the child's apprenticeship being transferred and at age 21 the child bringing suit against the master for not complying with the contract. These suits usually go to an equity court whatever it was called at the time. I consulted Frederick Co VA <A HREF="http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/index.htm">THE CHANCERY RECORDS INDEX</A> FOR INDEX NUMBERS and did not find either name. I don't know if the film has recordings of cases that have no papers existing - but ? LVA Reel#171 ILL Chancery Causes, 1745-001 to 1777-001. Apprenticed or indentured poor children was called "bound to" by church vestrymen called "Overseers of the Poor". One such book for Frederick Parish 1764-1780 is at the Library of Virginia. (Axelson, A Guide to Episcopal Church Records in Virginia, 1988) Christ Episcopal Church, Winchester began 1738; their parish records should be at Handley Library, Winchester (Axelson, A Guide to Episcopal Church Records in Virginia, 1988). Their manuscripts are cataloged online. Indentures & apprenticeships created a "paper". This loose paper could have had more information than the order. If there was a book for recording such, the content of the "paper" should have been transcribed. I find none on the microfilm LVA inventory for Frederick Co VA. ( Such a book could be there as a manuscript) Consult the appropriate Will Books to see if a parent by this surname had any probate, hoping for a will requesting the child be apprenticed. LVA Reel# 50 ILL Will Book 1, 1743 - 1751 c, [xxii] index, 505 p. LVA Reel# 51 ILL Will Book 2, 1752 - 1761 c, [xxii] index, 496 p. I would consult LVA Reel# 48 ILL General Index to Deeds 1, 1743 - 1839 L - Z in case he inherited land that he later had deeded to him or claimed. The deed would likely recite those circumstances. And in case he was an heir to a dispute regarding land: LVA Reel #115 ILL Land Book [Land Causes] 1, 1758 - 1832, Unpaged index, 492 p. I find no Guardian or other films I deem appropriate to consult on the LVA website. [ ILL = Interlibrary Loan] There are a few other repositories you should check: 1. Handley Library in Winchester, they may know of the whereabouts of other appropriate resources. 2. University of Virginia Special Collections; online manuscript catalog. 3. VA Historical Society in Richmond. If John Small moved out of Frederick Co and took his apprentice with him, follow that thread with the above record suggestions. Sorry, there is no one answer but this is one that has several possibilities with possibly no existing record, but one of those "YESSES" when you find it!!. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

I need some help in understanding the following and I'm hoping that one of you that may have previously encountered such an order, as below, and may be able to explain some things to me. It is listed in a book or orders. Are these court type orders bestowed upon an individual, say a parent, due to debt and his children had to work, recordings of a childs intended profession and contract for journeyman services, orphans orders, voluntary indentures, what??? Was this child 10 yrs. old when he started such training or bound to this John Small as a laborer at that age? Any insight will be appreciated. Not familiar with working children. Smile. Frederick County Orders 6, 1754-1755, 23: Aaron Henry, Occupation, Weaver, Master John Small, Beginning Date August 6, 1754, Ending Date October 1, 1765. Age 10.

Thought these Ritter's may be of interest to someone. They are buried in Fairfield Co., OH in townships where Shenandoah Co. residents moved to in the early 1800's. RITTER's PLEASANT TWP., FAIRFIELD CO., OH CEMETERY Pleasant Run Primitive Baptist - Baptist Corners Cemetery Joseph, d May 28, 1815, aged 41y RITTER's VIOLET TWP., FAIRFIELD CO., OH CEMETERIES Dovel Memorial Cemetery John, d Sept. 7, 1870 aged 78y 11m 12d Ann, wife of John, d. Jan. 23, 1879 aged 78y 11m 29d John, [P.], d. Feb. 6, 1867, aged 39y 5m 13d, Civil War Flag holder (GAR, F & AM) E.V., d. Sept. 7, 1865, aged 43y 3m 7d Pickerington Cemetery Henry, d. May 29, 1886, aged 56y 1m 3d Mary C., his wife, 1843-1919 Sarah J., 1868-1936 Ira, 1836-1920 Eliza, his wife, 1842-1929 Augustus S. M.D., 1865 - 1927 Hallie M., 1863 - 1936 Marquis W., father, 1871 - 1935 George S., son, 1912-1926 Clara A., mother 1881-1957 Lorenzo T., 1819 - 1905 Catharine, 1824 - 1905 RITTER - On the TUSSING Family Monument William, b. Nov. 28, 1824, d Dec. 8, 1914 Clara C., his wife, b. March 30, 1830, d Nov. 8, 1907 (all on same stone) Edna K., 1911 - 1944 Edward "Bliss", 1907 - 1949 Mary, 1902 - 1981 John H., 1840 - 1918, Co F 33 Reg OVI Emaline, his wife, 1842 - 1917 Orpha, dau., b. Oct. 28, 1876, d Dec. 21, 1888

Hi Direck Pennypacker ..removed from the Perkiomen region of Pennsylvania. This is from the book " Colonial and Revolution Families of Pennsylvania, Volume I, John Jordan L.L.D.

Diane, Dirck Pennybacker was born 1 Jan 1737, in present-day Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania. His father John Pennebacker was a prosperous farmer at the Trappe at the upper end of Providence Township. His grandfather Henry Pannebecker was one of the most prominent men of the area. Henry spoke three languages fluently, was a surveyor for the Penns, and left large land holdings to his children. In 1768, Dirck Pennybacker moved to Berks County, Pa., where he first leased, then purchased in 1770, a tract of land and gristmill from the estate of William Bird of Birdsboro, ironmaster (father of Mark Bird of later iron industry fame). Tax records show Dirck Pennybacker to have been one of the most prosperous men in Berks County during the Revolutionary War (at least based on the tax he paid), supplying and hauling flour to the Continental army. As the war wound down, his business seems to have done so, too, and he lost his gristmill and land as the result of a lawsuit over a debt on 17 May ! 1783. As of that date, he was referred to as "late of Berks, County." On 15 Feb. 1783, his nephew, and soon-to-be son-in-law, Isaac Samuels witnessed a deed in Washington Co, Maryland, where oral family tradition has stated the Pennybackers briefly operated an iron-works that was destroyed by a flood. Maryland militia records also show Dirck's son Benjamin Pennybacker as a member of the Washington County Select Militia during 1783. On the 12 Dec. 1783, Derick agreed to the location of the survey for his land grant in Shenandoah County. Benjamin Pennybacker deposed in court in Shenandoah County in 1814, that he first came to Shenandoah County in 1783. Sherry Johnson Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:58:57 -0400 From: "Diane Kittle" To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [VASHENAN] Pine Forge Beginning Robert, Do you know where Pennybacker came from? Diane -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fuller [mailto:rfuller@shentel.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:10 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Pine Forge Beginning Hi Tom, "Though the exact date cannot be established Pennybacker moved to Shenandoah Co VA sometime during 1783 or 1784 where he either established or purchased Pine Forge on Smiths Creek southeast of the town of New Market"....He listed in the Shen Co 1785 heads of household census 64 souls, a dwelling and three other buildings there. [from MESDA and written by H E Comstock. May 1981 Vol VII, No 1] BUT there is a deed in Shen Co in Book F page 90--29 June 1786 where Derk Pennybacker & Benj. Fawcett purchased from Mounce Bird and Clair his wife a tract on Smith Creek "whereon now the mill stands & part of the forge being the same Bird purchased of Burr Harrison & William Strother.. including the mills and about three acres of land. And going back some more to Book C page 140 -- 15 Jul 1777 is the deed that records when Mounce Bird purchased the above tract from Harrison & Strother. Only Burr Harrisons Mill "is now standing on about 3 acres of land. No mention of the Forge in this deed. Lena F. Fuller --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

The following is an excerpt from the History of Fairfield County, Ohio on the immigration of early families. I thought some folks may find it beneficial and/or interesting, especially the reference to Shenandoah. I guess I now understand why I found so many of my families from Shenandoah there. It appears that whole churches would move. The book also also includes a map that shows the old roads so one can see how the folks immigrated and why some dropped off in Ross Co., others in Pickaway, and many on to Muskingum. Great learning tool for those of us that can't picture localities/maps in our minds and need visuals. The only old road available went straight through each county. Enjoy. In April 1798, Captain Joseph Hunter, a native of Virginia, with his family, emigrated from Kentucky and settled on Zane's Trace near the crossing of the Hocking River. This was the first white settlement in Fairfield County and Captain Hunter's closest neighbors were at Zanesville and Chillicothe Ohio. In May of the same year, Nathaniel Wilson Sr., John and Allen Green, Joseph McMullen, Robert Cooper, Isaac Shaeffer and a few others also arrived to take up settlement. In 1799 the tide of immigration set in with real force. The settlement of Fairfield County had begun ! Pennsylvania and Virginia supplied the largest numbers of early immigrants. Many of the first immigrants were German speaking people from the Lancaster County area of Pennsylvania. Others came in large numbers from the Pennsylvania counties of : Bedford, Berks, Bucks, Chester, Cumberland, Dauphin, Fayette, Franklin, Huntingdon, Lehigh, Luzerne, Mifflin, Northumberland, Washington, Westmoreland and York. A large number came from the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, especially Rockingham and Shenandoah Counties. One entire church congregation came from Rockingham County and established the Pleasant Run Baptist Church in Pleasant Township. Other Virginia emigrants came from Berkeley and Hampshire Counties (now West Virginia) and also from Frederick County.

Robert, Do you know where Pennybacker came from? Diane -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fuller [mailto:rfuller@shentel.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:10 PM To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Pine Forge Beginning Hi Tom, "Though the exact date cannot be established Pennybacker moved to Shenandoah Co VA sometime during 1783 or 1784 where he either established or purchased Pine Forge on Smiths Creek southeast of the town of New Market"....He listed in the Shen Co 1785 heads of household census 64 souls, a dwelling and three other buildings there. [from MESDA and written by H E Comstock. May 1981 Vol VII, No 1] BUT there is a deed in Shen Co in Book F page 90--29 June 1786 where Derk Pennybacker & Benj. Fawcett purchased from Mounce Bird and Clair his wife a tract on Smith Creek "whereon now the mill stands & part of the forge being the same Bird purchased of Burr Harrison & William Strother.. including the mills and about three acres of land. And going back some more to Book C page 140 -- 15 Jul 1777 is the deed that records when Mounce Bird purchased the above tract from Harrison & Strother. Only Burr Harrisons Mill "is now standing on about 3 acres of land. No mention of the Forge in this deed. Lena F. Fuller ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

Does anyone know who this Morgan Henry was or have any info about his family? Grant H-717, made Oct. 22, 1756, for 486 a. for an individual named Frederick Hall, in Frederick Co., VA, the property description states the property adjoins Morgan Henry, Joseph Car, and Benjamin Machall. I would like to place this Morgan Henry if at all possible. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks.

Listers, Below is a message from a Teresa Farrow. Apparently she lives close to an old unknown graveyard that says "1845 Menonite Cemetery" on the gate and although it is in Franklin Co., it is very close to Canal Winchester and Fairfield Co. where many families that migrated from your area of VA in the early 1800's settled. I also recognize that some of these surnames are names being researched by folks in your county. Teresa says she would be willing to copy the info from any stone that is of interest to anyone. Please see the list below and if interested, you can send Teresa an e-mail message at tkfarrowwelker@msn.com. Hope this is of help to someone. Strawn, Stemen, Steman, Hare, Herr, Brenneman, Guisinger, Dochterman, Leady, Strome, Smith, Martin, Bowman, Lehman, Dill, Detwiler, Hoffman, Good, Hurst, Nichlas, and Horning