----- Original Message ----- From: <BeejC1@aol.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: [VASHENAN] Burner, Jacob >. The > Reconstructed 1750 Mennonite Census of Shenandoah Valley - Massanutten Area: > Household 37: Jacob Borner, age 28, Madelena ,age 23, Michael age 2, Jacob, > Newborn. Household 38: John Baumgartner age 55, Mary age 19, John age 16, > Elizabeth age 14 and Christian age 12. This from "Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners > Vol III" by Davis > Betty Carson I have got to ask.....is this Mennonite census only of Mennonites? And can you give me a ISB number or something on this book so I can request it from the library? Thank you so much - I was not aware of this source. Mary

Ferederick County shows one Jacob Burner who married Elizabeth Harmon in 1804 (date cannot be read) - minister Wm Hill. Shenandoah shows another Jacob married to Ann Raper on 2 Dec 1815 - bond by Jacob Y Burner. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VASHENAN] Burner, Jacob Date: 1/5/2004 2:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time From: BeejC1@aol.com Reply-to: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) I do not know the maiden name of Anna who married Jacob Jr. I do have a clue as to which Baumgartner daughter married his father, Jacob Burner Sr. The Reconstructed 1750 Mennonite Census of Shenandoah Valley - Massanutten Area: Household 37: Jacob Borner, age 28, Madelena ,age 23, Michael age 2, Jacob, Newborn. Household 38: John Baumgartner age 55, Mary age 19, John age 16, Elizabeth age 14 and Christian age 12. This from "Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners Vol III" by Davis Betty Carson ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a msg. to VASHENAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or VASHENAN-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe.

I do not know the maiden name of Anna who married Jacob Jr. I do have a clue as to which Baumgartner daughter married his father, Jacob Burner Sr. The Reconstructed 1750 Mennonite Census of Shenandoah Valley - Massanutten Area: Household 37: Jacob Borner, age 28, Madelena ,age 23, Michael age 2, Jacob, Newborn. Household 38: John Baumgartner age 55, Mary age 19, John age 16, Elizabeth age 14 and Christian age 12. This from "Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners Vol III" by Davis Betty Carson

> > I am seeking the surname and parents of ANNE/ANNY/ANNA, the wife of JACOB > BURNER, JR. He was the son of JACOB BURNER, SR., and one of the daughters of JOHN > (HANS) BUMGARDNER. Their children were Abraham, Isaac, Catharine and Barbary. > Jacob, Jr., owned and presumably lived on land on the south side of the North > Shenandoah River in Shenandoah County, VA. > looking at Northern Neck of VA land records it seems John Bumgardner in the 1760s was on the South branch of the Shenandoah River - also passage creek....bit of a distance from the North branch of Shenandoah. Thought this might be of interest to you.... O-156: Abraham Strickler of Frederick Co. 259 A. in said Co. Surv. George Hume. On Pass Run adj. Jeremiah Widah, by Stober's Path, John Bumgarner. 13 June 1768.

I am seeking the surname and parents of ANNE/ANNY/ANNA, the wife of JACOB BURNER, JR. He was the son of JACOB BURNER, SR., and one of the daughters of JOHN (HANS) BUMGARDNER. Their children were Abraham, Isaac, Catharine and Barbary. Jacob, Jr., owned and presumably lived on land on the south side of the North Shenandoah River in Shenandoah County, VA. Jacob Burner, Jr., died in early 1782 and widow Anne/Anny/Anna married THOMAS TUCKWILLER, Oct. 20, 1788 (bond), Shenandoah County. Their children were John and Mary (married Charles Weaver). Thomas Tuckwiller owned land and lived on Dry Run, near the Blue Ridge, in the part of Shenandoah County that became part of present-day Page County, VA, when the latter county was formed. A correspondent reports there is an item in a BERRY Family History Book (neither exact title nor author given) which states ANNY LIVINGOOD STRICKLER, probably daughter of JACOB STRICKLER, was the wife of Jacob Burner, Jr. Is anyone familiar with this Berry Book or has further information that gives credence to this report that she was the wife of Jacob Burner, Jr. SPECIAL NOTE: The information that Anny Livingood Strickler was the wife of Jacob Burner, Jr., is preliminary and at this time lacks proof. Therefore, please do not pass this information along to others as a fact. Joe Baker

Thank you all for your answers. Steve and Bunny ----- Original Message ----- From: <PSpiker27@aol.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Tax List question - 1799 Personal Property > The question regarding the 1799 PPT for Shenandoah Co VA is answered on > another page of the microfilm images of this list. [My images are from Shenandoah > County Reel 315: 1782-1799 Shenandoah Co Personal Property Tax] > > (2nd) [nd is superscript ] On no image of this list is the 2nd identified. > No of Captains > 1 Isaac Goare > 2 William Bird > 3 John Hup > 4 George Rinker > 5 Christian Hoffman > 6 George Fravel > 7 Frederick Parrot > 8 Abraham Snapp > 9 Philip Spengler > 10 John Colvill > > This is the only page that identifies this list as List No. 2. On no page is > it identified as List B. > This list is identified on various pages as > Young's Certificate > Jos Young > Young's District > > Then close to the last image: > Shenandoah County Tax > I Phillip Williams Clerk of the > said County Court so hereby certify that the fore- > going List is a true copy from the vouchers > returned into my office by Joseph Young one of the Commissioners of the > Commissioners of the taxes for the said > County given under my hand this 10th day of > May 1800. > Test > P Williams > > Errors Excepted > Joseph Young C. T. S. Cty. > > At this time were not all males 16 and older, unless exempted, assigned to a > militia unit? The heading of the column between the day of the month and the > name of taxable is clearly on most pages Capt [sometimes the line to cross > the t started to the left of the p. Page 14 indeed has "studs" in this same > column. I'd say not to worry. We all make mistakes and this, surely, is the > copyist's mind wandering! > > The other list for the same year has a written A on the typed title page > "Property Book for the Year 1799". The next page starts the list and has above > the chart headings A List of Tithables & Taxable property within the District > of the 97th Regiment Shenandoah County Taken by William Jennings one of the > Commissioners for the Said County 1788. > On no image of This list of Jennings is List "A" seen. > > Added note: Citation recommendation - Use both the Commissioner's name as > well as the alpha/number on a list. > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html >

The question regarding the 1799 PPT for Shenandoah Co VA is answered on another page of the microfilm images of this list. [My images are from Shenandoah County Reel 315: 1782-1799 Shenandoah Co Personal Property Tax] (2nd) [nd is superscript ] On no image of this list is the 2nd identified. No of Captains 1 Isaac Goare 2 William Bird 3 John Hup 4 George Rinker 5 Christian Hoffman 6 George Fravel 7 Frederick Parrot 8 Abraham Snapp 9 Philip Spengler 10 John Colvill This is the only page that identifies this list as List No. 2. On no page is it identified as List B. This list is identified on various pages as Young's Certificate Jos Young Young's District Then close to the last image: Shenandoah County Tax I Phillip Williams Clerk of the said County Court so hereby certify that the fore- going List is a true copy from the vouchers returned into my office by Joseph Young one of the Commissioners of the Commissioners of the taxes for the said County given under my hand this 10th day of May 1800. Test P Williams Errors Excepted Joseph Young C. T. S. Cty. At this time were not all males 16 and older, unless exempted, assigned to a militia unit? The heading of the column between the day of the month and the name of taxable is clearly on most pages Capt [sometimes the line to cross the t started to the left of the p. Page 14 indeed has "studs" in this same column. I'd say not to worry. We all make mistakes and this, surely, is the copyist's mind wandering! The other list for the same year has a written A on the typed title page "Property Book for the Year 1799". The next page starts the list and has above the chart headings A List of Tithables & Taxable property within the District of the 97th Regiment Shenandoah County Taken by William Jennings one of the Commissioners for the Said County 1788. On no image of This list of Jennings is List "A" seen. Added note: Citation recommendation - Use both the Commissioner's name as well as the alpha/number on a list.

Steve and Bunny, That's the Number of the Captain, corresponding presumably to the company of militia, i.e., George Fravel was Captain No. 6 and I assume he was therefore Captain of the 6th militia company of the 13th Regiment. The number of studs was likely just a typo since there is a column later on for that enumeration. Happy New Year, Tom Steve and Yvonne wrote: > The tax lists for our 1799 Personal Property Tax List B has an extra column > inbetween the date received and the person's name. It's heading in something > like "No of Ca??ts". Numbers are in this column, starting with #1. No one in > this list appears to have less than 1 of these, and this column is used to > categorize the names for each first letter of the surname. On page 14 this > column is labelled as "No of Studs", and no other page is like this. Page 47 > seems to have the clearest writing. > > Does anyone know what this column says? Thanks for helping if you can. > > Steve and Bunny > --------- > "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia > Reconstructed 1790 and 1800 Censuses: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html

The tax lists for our 1799 Personal Property Tax List B has an extra column inbetween the date received and the person's name. It's heading in something like "No of Ca??ts". Numbers are in this column, starting with #1. No one in this list appears to have less than 1 of these, and this column is used to categorize the names for each first letter of the surname. On page 14 this column is labelled as "No of Studs", and no other page is like this. Page 47 seems to have the clearest writing. Does anyone know what this column says? Thanks for helping if you can. Steve and Bunny --------- "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia Reconstructed 1790 and 1800 Censuses: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm

I knew Amy a short time I went by her house to see her one day she took a look at my work on the Emswiller - Riffey family its there we discovered she was a distant cousin of my wife's through the Hollar's on the ggrand father wife Sarah Miranda Holler and on the Emswiller side grand father Marion Franklin and his wife Dunnie Catherine Hollar. We also had the same chronic condition Asthma Bruce C Young III

There is a link to a guest book for Amy where you can share memories or leave messages to the family. http://www.legacy.com/manassasjournalmessenger/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeS tory&PersonId=1746372 Amelia "Amy" Cleland Gilreath Amelia 'Amy' Cleland Gilreath, age 74, passed on Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2003. She was Past National Chairman, DAR Patriot Index, Daughters of the American Revolution; Managing Editor Centennial Edition DAR Patriot Index; Real Granddaughter, United Daughters of the Confederacy and a member, National League of American Pen Women. Mrs. Gilreath was the author of 26 books on Genealogy Research. Survivors include her loving husband of 44 years, Stanley N. Gilreath; two sons, John Stephen Gilreath and James Richard Gilreath; one sister, Jane Cleland Collins; and one brother, Franklin Edison Cleland. Services and interment were private with arrangements by Price Funeral Home, Manassas. Condolences may be sent to www.pricefh.com. Sign the guestbook at http://www.potomacnews.com. Published in the Potomac News and Manassas Journal Messenger on 12/31/2003. Guest Book • Funeral home info • Flowers & gifts

Lena and I have been discussing the date of the map which I thought when copied to be 1825 Boye. As she notes, the one dark line on the map is a railroad runnng from Manassas west to Front Royal. . .Strasburg. . .and south throught the Valley to Timberville. It is possible what I have copied is a later version of the map or another--will verify next week and report back to the list. Sorry for any confusion. Sandra

Joe, The thing of interest to me here is how wrong I've been in thinking about access among the three valleys. If you had asked me a week ago how someone would go from Hamburg, Page Co. to Woodstock in 1800, I'd have said out the pike through the New Market Gap, then down the Valley Pike. But, I'm a callow youth and think in terms of cars where the extra 5 miles means nothing. My great grandfather lived at Saumsville and, when he came to Luray, always used the Edinburg Gap; but then, he started crossing that mountain before 1900 when he used a horse or shank's mare. I have to think about the Milford and 675 roads being at least as important as Rte 211, at least in terms of going to the courthouse. I bet I've told other prople a hundred times not to make the mistake of seeing old time folks in terms of our modern world! Proves the old adage that you can't hear with your mouth open. Jwbake@aol.com wrote: > My notes indicate that 1814 was the first year the distance from the >Shenandoah County Courthouse to each piece of taxable land was shown. There may be an >entry regarding this and the method of measurement in the Shenandoah County >Order Book during the time period ca. 1812-1814. Also the Virginia Assembly >may have enacted a law requiring this information be recorded and stipulated the >method of measuring the distance. > >Joe > > >==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== >Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html > > > >

on 12/29/03 2:55 PM, GCline8181@aol.com at GCline8181@aol.com wrote: > Hi Sandra > Did the 1825 map that you copied have any listings of the people who lived on > the roads that you mentioned? > > Glenn Cline Hi Glenn, Sorry. . .just towns, mountains, major streams, counties. . Sandra

http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/lakeatlas.html I worked on the images and made them smaller but they're large enough to see without reading glasses....well, guess that depends, huh? I added these pages: 10,11,14,15,18,19,22,23,25 Will add the rest later. Still work to do on Bly's book. I will be deleting the images from the reproduced Lake's Atlas so if you wish to save those, please do so NOW. The newer images are easier to view and much larger and are true to scale. Notice that some maps have a scale of 2 miles to an inch while others have 200 rods to the inch while others have 20 rods to the inch. I suppose that was due to districts being of various sizes and Lake wanting to fill up the pages. Shirley, you're so very welcome. :) Alley *** I looked at my family tree...there were two dogs using it. ***

Hi Chocey Can you look in your copy of the 1815 landowner's list for Shenandoah County and see if you have a listing for John Clark or Samuel Clark. Thanks in advance. Glenn Cline

Hi Sandra Did the 1825 map that you copied have any listings of the people who lived on the roads that you mentioned? Glenn Cline

on 12/28/03 5:45 PM, Robert Fuller at rfuller@shentel.net wrote: > Distance measured. > > They put a gage on the wheel of a wagon and measured the miles that way. > From the Old Court House to the property. Had to go by way of McInturf > Gap/Edinburg Gap to a Fort Property. OR did they go across Mt at Burnshire's > Dam east of Woodstock. Not a "road" that way until later probably after > 1800. Not sure.....But remember that the road to Fort cut down from Old > Valley Pike/US11 at Aileen Road, crossed river and angled up to meet present > road from Edinburg a little more than half way up west side Massanutten Mt > to get to Fort Valley. > I have been interested in the discussion of measuring distances and old roads. . .the earliest map of which I made a copy is Boye's 1825. This map shows the N-S wagon road, back road, a road going east just north of Woodstock to Millford; a road from Woodstock crossing Narrow Passage Creek and going southeasterly through southern Powell's Big Fort Valley to a point meeting a road coming from between MJ and New Market and then this road on to Luray. Map also shows road from Woodstock to Columbia Furnace and onto Lost River; road NW from Woodstock to Little North Mountain. I'm assuming all these were the major roads, but that there were others. I'm wondering if there is an earlier map which would show roads in this same area. Sandra

In a message dated 12/29/2003 5:36:19 AM Central Standard Time, hemack@rmaonline.net writes: > -----Original Message----- > >From: Gudas [mailto:seatide@att.net] > >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:20 PM > >To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: {not a subscriber} Naked Creek > > > >Hi folks, > > Can anyone shed light on the location of Naked Creek? I found my > >Andrews ancestors there in the Page County census of 1860. Was this > >area ever a part of Shenandoah County? Page County was formed from parts of Rockingham and Shenandoah Counties in 1831. The Naked Creek area, which is now in Page County near the present Rockingham County Line, would have been a part of Rockingham County prior to 1831.

My notes indicate that 1814 was the first year the distance from the Shenandoah County Courthouse to each piece of taxable land was shown. There may be an entry regarding this and the method of measurement in the Shenandoah County Order Book during the time period ca. 1812-1814. Also the Virginia Assembly may have enacted a law requiring this information be recorded and stipulated the method of measuring the distance. Joe