When did Virginia start the first cousin's not marrying. My Riley's and Fosters and Smoots and Welchs intermarried with each other thru first cousins. The only branchs of the Riley's (in my line)_ that did not marry first cousins was my great grandfather's branch that moved to Maryland and my "cousin and researcher" branch who moved to Pennsylvania.

Vickie - The sister of my George Grove - Mary Grove (born circa 1760) married a David Fifer. - from "Frederick County, VA settlement and some first families of Back Creek Valley 1730-1830" Have you run into this David Fifer? and if yes, where did he go, etc.. and or his brother George who might have married my Hannah Lehew... - I've got nothing on these two and I'm hoping his siblings might give me a clue... thanks julie in CA Vickie Miller <[email protected]> wrote: Is anyone else researching these names? I'm descended from Augustine Pfeiffer who died in Shen Co VA in 1801. I'm trying to sort out the various Pfeiffer etc families. Sincerely, Vickie Miller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

Thank you Richard for speaking up. You are absolutely correct. Gloria Bushong ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I am sorry, but this definition of a marriage bond is not accurate. A marriage bond is NOT a promise to marry. By either party. As America more and more became a frontier nation, the traditional marriage banns were no longer adequate. The purpose of the banns was to serve notice of the coming marriage so that members of the congregation could speak up should there be a reason the marriage should not take place. Because a growing number of brides or grooms were unknown to the members of the church, the marriage bond served as a substitute for the banns. The groom and a suitable bondsman ("surety") would pledge an amount (usually specified by law) to an official (often the governor of the colony or state) as a guarantee that there were no legal impediments to the forthcoming marriage. The bond was "conditional" -- that is, the pledged amount would be forfeited only if there proved to be a legal reason the couple should not marry. Otherwise, the bond was null and void. The principal legal impediments were (a) that either or both were already married, (b) either or both were under the legal age for marriage and (c) the couple were too closely related to be legally married under the laws of the jurisdiction in which the marriage was to take place. [Adapted from "Bonds That Bind: What's a Marriage Bond - and Why?"] Go here: http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/bonds2.htm Richard A. Pence 3211 Adams Ct, Fairfax, VA 22030-1900 Voice 703-591-4243 / Fax 703-352-3560 Pence Family History <www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [VASHENAN] Marriage record documents and so forth. > Nancy Upshaw wrote the below excellent explaination for marriage records > and with her permission, I am passing it along to everyone. > > > > Chocy, > > I cannot post to the Fauquier list, for some reason. But, I do still > receive > the digests, and I saw your question about what the marriage bonds are, > vs. > minister returns, etc. > > A marriage BOND is simply a promise - by both parties, but primarily the > man, to marry each other in the near future. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE > MARRIAGE > HAPPENED. It is sort of like a license, which without being finalized is > not > a legal document. It also can take the place of Marriage BANNS, which > were > used by the early churches prior to the marriage bonds of the county. > After > awhile, the (church) banns were replaced by the (civil) bonds, especially > after the Rev War, as the church no longer had civil authority. Quakers > continued to use their own procedures for announcing upcoming marriages > and > conducting them, since they did not recognize the civil authority over > marriages. > > Usually the marriage did happen, and WITH OTHER EVIDENCE the bond can be > used as an estimate of the date of marriage. However, if it is suspected > that the marriage did not take place, you should check the court records > for > the time period to see if a complaint was brought by either party for > breach > of promise. I have occasionally seen these, but not often. The date of > the > marriage bond will *precede* the actual marriage date by at least one or > two > days, sometimes a week or more. > > Once the marriage is performed, then the minister may (or may not) have > RETURNED to the county clerk a list of marriages he performed since he > turned his last list in. This is what is meant by a minister's marriage > RETURN. These returns often no longer exist, but where they do, are an > actual proof that the marriage did take place, where a marriage bond is > *not*. > > John Gott's book of Fauquier marriages tries to tie the bonds and returns > together, if there are both documents for a couple. In many cases only > one > or the other exist but not both. In a few cases there are even > corrections > to documents for bad names on the first documents and so several records > with different dates are sometimes created for the same two people. > (Example: Evan Phillips and Lucinda Stinson/Stevenson). I caution > everyone > to order actual copies of the records, since I have found family > information > on them that John Gott failed to duplicate for the book. > > The county "marriage books" as kept today in the courthouse are records > of > the validated licenses (the equivalent of marriage RETURNS), after a > certain > date (required by law, but not actually done usually until later on). > Marriage licenses are not legal proof of marriage until they are > validated > by the person of authority conducting the ceremony and returned by > him/her > to the county. > > I hope this helps. > > - Nancy Upshaw > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, Thanks for sharing that good information. However, in defense of those of us from up in the hollers, I would point out that the relationship prohibition more closely followed the Bible than modern genetics and Virginia did allow first cousins to marry. In my case, way, way too often. Tom Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Pence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Marriage record documents and so forth. >I am sorry, but this definition of a marriage bond is not accurate. A > marriage bond is NOT a promise to marry. By either party. > > As America more and more became a frontier nation, the traditional > marriage > banns were no longer adequate. The purpose of the banns was to serve > notice > of the coming marriage so that members of the congregation could speak up > should there be a reason the marriage should not take place. Because a > growing number of brides or grooms were unknown to the members of the > church, the marriage bond served as a substitute for the banns. > > The groom and a suitable bondsman ("surety") would pledge an amount > (usually > specified by law) to an official (often the governor of the colony or > state) > as a guarantee that there were no legal impediments to the forthcoming > marriage. The bond was "conditional" -- that is, the pledged amount would > be > forfeited only if there proved to be a legal reason the couple should not > marry. Otherwise, the bond was null and void. > > The principal legal impediments were (a) that either or both were already > married, (b) either or both were under the legal age for marriage and (c) > the couple were too closely related to be legally married under the laws > of > the jurisdiction in which the marriage was to take place. > > [Adapted from "Bonds That Bind: What's a Marriage Bond - and Why?"] Go > here: > > http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/bonds2.htm > > Richard A. Pence > 3211 Adams Ct, Fairfax, VA 22030-1900 > Voice 703-591-4243 / Fax 703-352-3560 > Pence Family History <www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:58 PM > Subject: [VASHENAN] Marriage record documents and so forth. > > >> Nancy Upshaw wrote the below excellent explaination for marriage >> records >> and with her permission, I am passing it along to everyone. >> >> >> >> Chocy, >> >> I cannot post to the Fauquier list, for some reason. But, I do still >> receive >> the digests, and I saw your question about what the marriage bonds are, >> vs. >> minister returns, etc. >> >> A marriage BOND is simply a promise - by both parties, but primarily the >> man, to marry each other in the near future. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE >> MARRIAGE >> HAPPENED. It is sort of like a license, which without being finalized is >> not >> a legal document. It also can take the place of Marriage BANNS, which >> were >> used by the early churches prior to the marriage bonds of the county. >> After >> awhile, the (church) banns were replaced by the (civil) bonds, >> especially >> after the Rev War, as the church no longer had civil authority. Quakers >> continued to use their own procedures for announcing upcoming marriages >> and >> conducting them, since they did not recognize the civil authority over >> marriages. >> >> Usually the marriage did happen, and WITH OTHER EVIDENCE the bond can be >> used as an estimate of the date of marriage. However, if it is suspected >> that the marriage did not take place, you should check the court records >> for >> the time period to see if a complaint was brought by either party for >> breach >> of promise. I have occasionally seen these, but not often. The date of >> the >> marriage bond will *precede* the actual marriage date by at least one or >> two >> days, sometimes a week or more. >> >> Once the marriage is performed, then the minister may (or may not) have >> RETURNED to the county clerk a list of marriages he performed since he >> turned his last list in. This is what is meant by a minister's marriage >> RETURN. These returns often no longer exist, but where they do, are an >> actual proof that the marriage did take place, where a marriage bond is >> *not*. >> >> John Gott's book of Fauquier marriages tries to tie the bonds and >> returns >> together, if there are both documents for a couple. In many cases only >> one >> or the other exist but not both. In a few cases there are even >> corrections >> to documents for bad names on the first documents and so several records >> with different dates are sometimes created for the same two people. >> (Example: Evan Phillips and Lucinda Stinson/Stevenson). I caution >> everyone >> to order actual copies of the records, since I have found family >> information >> on them that John Gott failed to duplicate for the book. >> >> The county "marriage books" as kept today in the courthouse are records >> of >> the validated licenses (the equivalent of marriage RETURNS), after a >> certain >> date (required by law, but not actually done usually until later on). >> Marriage licenses are not legal proof of marriage until they are >> validated >> by the person of authority conducting the ceremony and returned by >> him/her >> to the county. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> - Nancy Upshaw >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've got a Nancy Catlett, daughter of John Catlett, who married Spencer Lehew Jr. in 1802 in Frederick County - she died in 1859 in Clark County, MO. she and Spencer named a son Catlett LeHew, b. 17 Feb 1804. I don't know if that helps or not. Julie in CA [email protected] wrote: Chocy, We found this while going through documents for Jacob Bushong, s/o John Bushong Jr. and Elizabeth Windle. Jacob was born in Shenandoah County but died 1839 in Paint Township, Fayette County, Ohio. Is this fellow related to the Catlett that was associated with the law suit involving John Bushong land in Virginia? We think this Catlett later went to Illinois. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fayette County Court of Common Pleas File #272 "State of Ohio Fayette County SS Before me Law T. Catlett a Justice of the Peace in and for said county, personally came William Hays one of the appraisers of the Estate of Jacob Bushong, late of Paint Township in said county and made note that he will and truly appraise all the goods and chattles presented to him of the said Estate. Given under my hand this 9 day of August 1839. Law T. Catlett, JP" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gloria Bushong --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Nancy Upshaw wrote the below excellent explaination for marriage records and with her permission, I am passing it along to everyone. Chocy, I cannot post to the Fauquier list, for some reason. But, I do still receive the digests, and I saw your question about what the marriage bonds are, vs. minister returns, etc. A marriage BOND is simply a promise - by both parties, but primarily the man, to marry each other in the near future. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE MARRIAGE HAPPENED. It is sort of like a license, which without being finalized is not a legal document. It also can take the place of Marriage BANNS, which were used by the early churches prior to the marriage bonds of the county. After awhile, the (church) banns were replaced by the (civil) bonds, especially after the Rev War, as the church no longer had civil authority. Quakers continued to use their own procedures for announcing upcoming marriages and conducting them, since they did not recognize the civil authority over marriages. Usually the marriage did happen, and WITH OTHER EVIDENCE the bond can be used as an estimate of the date of marriage. However, if it is suspected that the marriage did not take place, you should check the court records for the time period to see if a complaint was brought by either party for breach of promise. I have occasionally seen these, but not often. The date of the marriage bond will *precede* the actual marriage date by at least one or two days, sometimes a week or more. Once the marriage is performed, then the minister may (or may not) have RETURNED to the county clerk a list of marriages he performed since he turned his last list in. This is what is meant by a minister's marriage RETURN. These returns often no longer exist, but where they do, are an actual proof that the marriage did take place, where a marriage bond is *not*. John Gott's book of Fauquier marriages tries to tie the bonds and returns together, if there are both documents for a couple. In many cases only one or the other exist but not both. In a few cases there are even corrections to documents for bad names on the first documents and so several records with different dates are sometimes created for the same two people. (Example: Evan Phillips and Lucinda Stinson/Stevenson). I caution everyone to order actual copies of the records, since I have found family information on them that John Gott failed to duplicate for the book. The county "marriage books" as kept today in the courthouse are records of the validated licenses (the equivalent of marriage RETURNS), after a certain date (required by law, but not actually done usually until later on). Marriage licenses are not legal proof of marriage until they are validated by the person of authority conducting the ceremony and returned by him/her to the county. I hope this helps. - Nancy Upshaw ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Gloria, I accidently deleted your e-mail; so I am posting this to the list because I know you will see it here. I am in the process of getting ready for a trip, so I have been "unsubscribing" from lists and in general cleaning things up on my computer; so that I don't come home to a full mailbox. Anyhow, I will be back in a couple of weeks. Chocy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Chocy, We found this while going through documents for Jacob Bushong, s/o John Bushong Jr. and Elizabeth Windle. Jacob was born in Shenandoah County but died 1839 in Paint Township, Fayette County, Ohio. Is this fellow related to the Catlett that was associated with the law suit involving John Bushong land in Virginia? We think this Catlett later went to Illinois. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fayette County Court of Common Pleas File #272 "State of Ohio Fayette County SS Before me Law T. Catlett a Justice of the Peace in and for said county, personally came William Hays one of the appraisers of the Estate of Jacob Bushong, late of Paint Township in said county and made note that he will and truly appraise all the goods and chattles presented to him of the said Estate. Given under my hand this 9 day of August 1839. Law T. Catlett, JP" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gloria Bushong ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Good Morning, everyone!!! Hope you all are having a perfect June day Here's my 2 cents worth again. :o) All of my grandparents lived in with some of their familes until they went on to their heavenly rest, or rather some of the family stayed in their parents' LARGE homes to help take care of them. That's the way things were back in the good old days. Grandma Bessie Clem gave birth to 14 children. I never knew my Grandaddy John A G Clem. He died before I was born. He was a farmer and his single brother, George, lived there, too. One was in charge of crops and the other in charge of the livestock. They lived on a large self sufficient Fort Valley farm and the family survived the Great Depression without any serious problems. They took care of their own and looked out for the neighbors. But, now it's time for a REALITY check!!! Time to study the book of Revelation, and be ready for what we are facing in today's world. I look forward to the Wed am Bible Study at the Antioch Church of the Brethren with George Bowers, and my hubby and I are members of the Valley Pike Church of the Brethren. The church folks there brought meals into our home for a couple of weeks in April after my arm fractures and surgery. They are FAMILY, church family!!! I've broken seven bones during the last year. Yesterday, I had occupational therapy at SMH. They dipped my arm into hot paraffin and wrapped it. Felt so good!!! Hoping to have the brace off for good in another month. I've just about maxed my insurance limit for OT and PT already this year. This am UPS brought a box with five of my prescription meds, including the insulin, for another 3 months. My co-pay (out of my pocket) is almost $600 for that shipment!!! Yesterday, I picked up 4 monthly prescripts at Walmart. Just the test strips were almost $100. I will get some of that one back after I fill out the claim forms. My health insurance goes up next month from $621 to $758. That's all outta pocket, too. Thankful for my SSI. Sure wish I was 65 like my hubby!!! Well, I guess I better get moving. Needing to study my Bible lesson. One of my prayer concerns this week is about the missing honey bees. I have a feeling that it is all about Bible Prophecy. Today's high tech is going to be our demise. I feel the mobile phones and other hi-tech gadgets may be the answer to one of the more bizarre mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance of the bees that pollinate crops. The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". Although the Bible plainly speaks of great famine in the last days, the prophetic words of Revelation 6:6 states that the olive and grape harvest will not be damaged. Revelation 6:6 "Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" Planning to start visiting the nursing home residents more. I always hoped that maybe, I would fall over dead in my garden. Maybe, when I am out there hand pollinating the gourd plants. God only knows!!! Catch y'all later Love and Prayers, Nancy, eating grapes and olives :o) "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint". Isaiah 40:31 >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tracy Sutherland Staadt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Not genealogy... rant about "support systems" To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I cannot Fathom the idea of my mother wasting away in a nursing home and I only hope that I do have the privilege of taking care of her in her later years. I am only 36 but I do believe that a family must help take care of their own. What else is a family for? Do our parents not take care of us for 20 plus years and then they also in small ways here and there help us out throughout our adult lives. If we throw our old into nusing homes and such, what are we teaching our children? We are teaching them that family is disposable, not something to cherish and learn from Tracy Staadt Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:09:25 -0500 From: "Marge" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Not genealogy... rant about "support systems" To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My 84 yr old mom stayed with me with she broke her arms two different times. And I would do it all over again. But you have to realize that in some situations, an elderly person needs medical care that you and your family can't provide. Those are the times they have to be put in assisted living care. "Shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life......." Phil 2:15, 16 NIV

Nancy- I haven't responded to this subject before but have enjoyed reading all of the responses. Due to a lot of different circumstances my husband and I were unable to care for my father at home during his last years. Most of those were medically related. My mother stayed independent until her death but my husband and I had decided to move to a bigger home to be able to bring her into our home. However, she passed away before we could accomplish this. It has given me much pain and sorrow that we did not make the decision sooner and move quicker when we did. For all of you who have parents still living, if you can take them in and care for them, please do so. The regrets I have will always be with me. Family is supposed to take care of family as long as they are able to properly care for them. I went to ladies' prayer meeting this morning. We need to pray for this country. The evil that seems to pervade everything is another sign that the Revelation prophecies are being realized. God bless you Nancy and may you soon be well. Sharon Domer --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

My 84 yr old mom stayed with me with she broke her arms two different times. And I would do it all over again. But you have to realize that in some situations, an elderly person needs medical care that you and your family can't provide. Those are the times they have to be put in assisted living care.

I am looking for information about Ruth Jones, who married Joseph Young, in Shenandoah Co., VA 6 Dec 1791. Her father was Evan Jones, high sheriff of Shenandoah Co. at the time. I found a biography of him in a History of Shenandoah published in 1927, and it said that there were still Jones descendants living on "Back Road" in southwest Shenandoah County at the time the book was published. I also found a lot of Evan Joneses in Pennsylvania as part of the Quaker meetings up there, so I guess it was a common name. Joseph Young's grandparents, Joseph and Margery Fawcett were Irish Quakers who were part of the Chester Co., PA Quaker Meeting, so there could be a connection there, but I haven't been able to untangle it yet. Are there any Jones family researchers on this list? I would like to know who Evan Jones' parents were and anything about him, such as birth, marriage, children, death. He was an original land grant owner in Frederick County, from Lord Fairfax. He lived in "The Forest" which I've been told is near New Market, Forestville, and Mt. Jackson. It appears that he owned a lot of land adjacent to Little North Mountain as well. He was a census taker in the 1785 census of Shenandoah. Sue Costa

I cannot Fathom the idea of my mother wasting away in a nursing home and I only hope that I do have the privilege of taking care of her in her later years. I am only 36 but I do believe that a family must help take care of their own. What else is a family for? Do our parents not take care of us for 20 plus years and then they also in small ways here and there help us out throughout our adult lives. If we throw our old into nusing homes and such, what are we teaching our children? We are teaching them that family is disposable, not something to cherish and learn from Tracy Staadt [email protected] wrote: Carolyn, Rant away. We will rant with you. We took care of my mother in our home for 20 years until she died at aged 89 years. We don't regret one moment. We just hope our children will extend us the same courtesy if we live that long, but probably won't. It is a sad commentary on life of today. Taking Judea/Christian beliefs from our society is the reason for the decline in lack of respect for life of all ages! Society actually thinks more about animals then humans. Back to the Bible is what we need. Gloria and Russell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

today was such a day here in the shenandoah valley!!! What is So Rare As a Day in June AND what is so rare as a day in June? Then, if ever, come perfect days; Then Heaven tries earth if it be in tune, And over it softly her warm ear lays; Whether we look, or whether we listen, We hear life murmur, or see it glisten; Every clod feels a stir of might, An instinct within it that reaches and towers, And, groping blindly above it for light, Climbs to a soul in grass and flowers; The flush of life may well be seen Thrilling back over hills and valleys; The cowslip startles in meadows green, The buttercup catches the sun in its chalice, And there's never a leaf nor a blade too mean To be some happy creature's palace; The little bird sits at his door in the sun, Atilt like a blossom among the leaves, And lets his illumined being o'errun With the deluge of summer it receives; His mate feels the eggs beneath her wings, And the heart in her dumb breast flutters and sings; He sings to the wide world, and she to her nest, In the nice ear of Nature which song is the best? Now is the high-tide of the year, And whatever of life hath ebbed away Comes flooding back with a ripply cheer, Into every bare inlet and creek and bay; Now the heart is so full that a drop overfills it, We are happy now because God wills it; No matter how barren the past may have been, 'Tis enough for us now that the leaves are green; We sit in the warm shade and feel right well How the sap creeps up and the blossoms swell; We may shut our eyes but we cannot help knowing That skies are clear and grass is growing; The breeze comes whispering in our ear, That dandelions are blossoming near, That maize has sprouted, that streams are flowing, That the river is bluer than the sky, That the robin is plastering his house hard by; And if the breeze kept the good news back, For our couriers we should not lack; We could guess it all by yon heifer's lowing, And hark! How clear bold chanticleer, Warmed with the new wine of the year, Tells all in his lusty crowing! Joy comes, grief goes, we know not how; Everything is happy now, Everything is upward striving; 'Tis as easy now for the heart to be true As for grass to be green or skies to be blue, 'Tis for the natural way of living: Who knows whither the clouds have fled? In the unscarred heaven they leave not wake, And the eyes forget the tears they have shed, The heart forgets its sorrow and ache; The soul partakes the season's youth, And the sulphurous rifts of passion and woe Lie deep 'neath a silence pure and smooth, Like burnt-out craters healed with snow. James Russell Lowell

Don, There's no simple answer to your question. The census taker followed some sort of pattern and that pattern is sometimes clear. So, for example, in the first few pages of the census, he moved from the southern part of Smith Creek down to the North Fork and then on northward. After several such sweeps through the main valley, he moved into the Fort Valley, then into the Luray Valley. Now, this is all fairly linear rather than local. And, the census taker missed people. So, when the census taker was in the vicinity of Luray and moving up and down creeks, he was usually staying fairly close to Isabella because Isabella is so close to the Hawksbill, Dry Run, Pass Run, and the South Fork. So names near Isabella are often those of neighbors within a couple of miles. Then, near the end of the process, he seems to have taken a whirl-wind tour of the county to pick up all those missed people. At this point he was moving long distances between people, sort of like the New York cabdriver who takes tourists from JFK to the Statue of Liberty by way of the Bronx in order to rack up miles. Anyhow, I think I see him moving down the Luray Valley along the Blue Ridge to the Gooney Manor area, then back along the South Fork to the Milford Gap, into the Fort and up to maybe Moreland Gap, then picking up Pine Forge, then north along Smith Creek maybe to about Hawkinstown, then across the Massanutten, possibly through New Market Gap, and up Battle Creek to Alma. And, in the process, he may have picked up a few people who were not in his line of march. So, you can't say too much about Pine Forge neighbors. If your ancestors owned land, the 1815 land tax record might be more helpful; for some areas, that ties location within a radius of about 2 miles. Who are you looking at? Tom Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Zochert" <[email protected]> To: "Shenandoah" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [VASHENAN] Locations in 1820 census > > I have target households in the 1820 Federal census in the Isabella > Furnace and Pine Forge areas or "townships," as Ancestry calls them, but > the designations appear to have been applied by Ancestry's indexers. On > the census sheets themselves, households actually enumerated at these > areas are marked off into a smaller sub-group, identified in the margin > and in some cases separately sub-totaled. In neither case are my > households in the smaller sub-group. > > Can the return be used to identify, even generally, where a target > individual lived? Or is it simply if you're within a sheet or two of > Pine Forge, you're "near" Pine Forge? > > Thanks for any clues on this point. > > > Don Zochert > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Perhaps you are aware of this, but if nt it's a good one. Some one touted it on another list and I found a great many Shenandoah Valley folks there: http://www.mcusa-archives.org/MennObits/index.html If you forget it, then google mennobits. Richard A. Pence 3211 Adams Ct, Fairfax, VA 22030-1900 Voice 703-591-4243 / Fax 703-352-3560 Pence Family History <www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/>

Carole, Thanks for sharing the info on the Coffelts found in "From The Rhine to the Shenandoah". Now I have found another book that I want to read. The more I learn the more I discover that I have much more to learn. Although I knew the Surber Families were German Speaking Swiss, I had not seen a connection to the book "From the Rhine to the Shenandoah", so now I want to read it. Thanks, Nancy At 08-06-07 02:16 PM, you wrote: >Hi, >SCV = Shenandoah County, VA >This info is from the book "From The Rhine To The Shenandoah" Vol. III, by >Daniel W. Bly. >You should read this book as there is lots (and mean lots) of information >about the Coffelts. >Here is the connection: >1. George Kauffeldt 1620 - after 1660 Germany (maybe) >2. Elias Kauffeldt 1655/56 - 1728 Germany >3. Johann Christopher Kauffelt abt 1692 Germany - abt 1754 SCV (some say >York Co. PA ???) >4. Peter Kauffeldt abt 1732 - 1767, married Catherine Haller. > >1. George Kauffeldt >2. Elias Kauffeldt >(same as above) >3. Johnn Nicholas Kauffeldt abt 1690 Germany - after 1754 York County, PA >4. George Jacob Kauffelt 1724 Germany - 1787 SCV >5. George Kauffeldt 1776 SCV- 1847 SCV married 1803 Ann Elizabeth Druck. >If you want a list of all of the children just let me know. >Carole

In their "Shenandoah County Marriage Bonds, 1772-1850," Vogt and Kethley describe the difference between marriage bonds and ministers' returns, i.e. reports to the county clerk of marriages performed, and say they hope in the future to publish a compilation of ministers' returns. But 20 years later they don't appear to have done so. Presumably the returns may include many marriages that did not require bonds. Has anyone else published a listing of ministers' returns in Shenandoah between 1800 and 1830? Or are films the best (or only) way of researching them? Thanks. Don Zochert

I have target households in the 1820 Federal census in the Isabella Furnace and Pine Forge areas or "townships," as Ancestry calls them, but the designations appear to have been applied by Ancestry's indexers. On the census sheets themselves, households actually enumerated at these areas are marked off into a smaller sub-group, identified in the margin and in some cases separately sub-totaled. In neither case are my households in the smaller sub-group. Can the return be used to identify, even generally, where a target individual lived? Or is it simply if you're within a sheet or two of Pine Forge, you're "near" Pine Forge? Thanks for any clues on this point. Don Zochert