Randy, thank you so much for the information. I thought Andy was Allen's grandson. Did he have a son named Andrew, as well as a grandson? Also, is there any way to get a better copy of the picture you sent? The one you e-mailed comes out looking like ghosts. I would be happy to pay for any costs involved. Thanks again. Linda Housh -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Crouse McNew Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VARUSSEL] Allen Gross/Grose/Grose Census and Marriage Records - for Linda Housh Linda, Wanda Green especially, and her friends and I researched this Vance/Gross/McKinney family a few years ago, some of what we found, after extensive research, follows: Rebecca was Allen's 2nd wife. She was born Carter Co., TN around 1840 She was Rebecca Moseley d/o P. Harper Mosely and Marinda "Rindy" McKinney Rindy McKinney later married John Vance. Rebecca and her sister, Mary "Polly" carried the Vance name of their stepfather until they were adults, and then started going by Moseley until they were married. By the way, Mary Polly Mosely-Vance married Andy Gross s/o of Allen Gross So, the sisters Rebecca and Polly married father and son! Another way to look at it; Andy married his stepmother's sister. Andy was my wife's g-g grandfather so yes you and my wife are 3rd cousins. See Quintin Vance, Wanda Green, and Edna Horn; "David Vance and Family", pp. 19-23, Mullins Printing Co., Clintwood, Va., 1986. SOURCES Follow: ------------------------------------------------ SOME MARRIAGE RECORDS: ----------------------------------------------- 1. John Vogt & T. William Kethley, Jr., Virginia Historic Marriage Register, Giles County Marriages, 1806-1850, Iberian Publishing Co., Athens, Georgia, p33, Huntsville Public Library, Huntsville, AL, H 975.5782 VOG. Grose, Allen & Elizabeth Fry 28 Sep 1837; d of George; bondsmen: R F Watts, Edward Hale min: Landon Duncan- 28 Sep1837. 2. Dodd, Jordan R, et. al., Early American Marriages: Virginia to 1850., Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx. "ALLEN GROSE ELIZABETH FRY 28 September 1837 Giles." ALLEN GROSE ELIZABETH FRY. 3. Allen Gross and Rebecca Mosely; Apr.13, 1861, Tazewell County, Virginia Marriage Book 3 Pg. 14 Line 10 Allen was the son of Wm. and Mary Gross. His age was 45, widowed, born in Pittsylvania Co., VA. She was 22 yrs. old, single, the daughter of Marinda Mosely, born in Carter County, TN. They were married by Patton J. Lockhart. Half-sister to Grandpa Dave Vance 4. Rebecca (Mosely Vance) Gross, age 30, a widow, on 11 April 1881 married James Osborn, age 30, widowed. Marriage Register, Welch, McDowell Co., WVa. (They are on 1900 Buchanan Co. Census with son Ruel b. 1886) --------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS --------------------------------------------------------- GROSS, ALLEN Township: Western District 62 Page: 308 1850 Census Tazewell County, Virginia: THE WESTERN DISTRICT; visit 1275, 1275, p308, img 190 Allen 40 M Farmer Va Betsy 40 F Va Sarah 13 F Va John 10 M Va Andy 8 M Va Emory 6 M Va [sic, This appears to be an error] Elanor 3 F Va (Cosby) Emma 1 F Va ------------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS: GROSS, ALLEN Township: Cedar Bluff P.O. Page: 153,839 1860 Census Tazewell County, Virginia: THE WESTERN DISTRICT; 28 July, 1860 by Alexander H. Greever visit 1063, 1034, img 43 19 Allen 47 M Farmer 285 Pennsylvania [sic, should probably be Pittsylvania] 20 Elizabeth 45 F Va 21 John W. 17 M Va 22 Andrew 15 M Va 23 Henry H [sic] 13 M Va 24 Cosbi E. 14 M Va 25 Emma S. 12 F Va 26 Matilda 10 F Va 27 Malinda L. 5 F Va Note: Ancestry.com has this indexed as Grosso ------------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS: GROSS, ALLEN State: VA Year: 1870 County: Buchanan County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Garden Township Page: 178, img 12, visit 76,73 Database: VA 1870 Federal Census Index Allen 58 Rebecca 29 Cosby 32 Arminda 5 Henderson 2 Elizabeth 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message