Michelle, you guys are great! I've been trying for about a month to get more info on this line and you guys do it in a couple of days. Now, to input this in my program and see where I go from there. Sometimes it seems almost overwhelming, but I just take it one step at a time. Thanks again. Linda Housh -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Ligon Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VARUSSEL] Alben / Allen Hi Linda, I believe Alben is possibly Allen, and Elizabeth was called Betsy. It is possible that Henry was Emory Henry. Or, this could be another family. See the 1850 census record below. His death record on the Federal Mortality Schedules indicates he was in Buchanan County at the time (1880) and had been living there for 24 years, since 1856. On the 1870, he is there with Rebecca age 27, and there is no indication if she is wife or other but she is "Keeping House." Cosby E. is noted to be a Domestic Servant, and there is no indication as to whom the younger children belong to. Hopefully more research will put more pieces together. I am not able to find an 1860 or 1840 record for Allen Gross. Hope this helps, Michelle 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Allen Gross Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Birth Place: Virginia Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): Western District, Tazewell, Virginia Household Members: Name Age Allen Gross 40 Andy Gross 8 Betsy Gross 40 Elenor Gross 3 Emma Gross 1 Emory Gross 6 John Gross 10 Lorah Gross 13 Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia; Roll: M432_979; Page: 308; Image: 190. 1870 United States Federal Census Name: Allen Gross Estimated Birth Year: 1812 Age in 1870: 58 Birthplace: Virginia Home in 1870: Garden, Buchanan, Virginia Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Grundy Household Members: Name Age Allen Gross 58 Rebecca Gross 27 Cosby E Gross 32 Arminda Gross 5 John Gross 3 Henderson Gross 2 Elisabeth Gross 1 Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Garden, Buchanan, Virginia; Roll: M593_1637; Page: 178; Image: 357. U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1880 Name: Allan Gross Gender: Male Race: White Marital Status: Married Place of Birth: Virginia Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Age: 70 Month of Death: Feb Cause of Death: Diseased liver Place of Death: (City, County, State) Garden Mag Dist, Buchanan, Virginia Census Year: 1880 Source Citation: Census Place (City, County, State): Garden Mag Dist, Buchanan, Virginia; Roll: T1132_18; Page: 220; Enumeration District: 14; Line Number: 6. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Housh To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] Albert Gross, Tazewell, VA Michelle, I certainly hope so. On Henry Gross and Lila Vance marriage record, it lists Alben and Elizabeth Gross as his parents. That is the only time I have seen his name. Do you have any information on him and where did you find it? I would love to be able to knock down at least one brick wall. Thanks. Linda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michelle Ligon Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VARUSSEL] Albert Gross, Tazewell, VA Is this Albert Gross of Tazewell, VA, one of your people, Linda? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vatazewe/1880-ED86.htm Michelle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, Wanda Green especially, and her friends and I researched this Vance/Gross/McKinney family a few years ago, some of what we found, after extensive research, follows: Rebecca was Allen's 2nd wife. She was born Carter Co., TN around 1840 She was Rebecca Moseley d/o P. Harper Mosely and Marinda "Rindy" McKinney Rindy McKinney later married John Vance. Rebecca and her sister, Mary "Polly" carried the Vance name of their stepfather until they were adults, and then started going by Moseley until they were married. By the way, Mary Polly Mosely-Vance married Andy Gross s/o of Allen Gross So, the sisters Rebecca and Polly married father and son! Another way to look at it; Andy married his stepmother's sister. Andy was my wife's g-g grandfather so yes you and my wife are 3rd cousins. See Quintin Vance, Wanda Green, and Edna Horn; "David Vance and Family", pp. 19-23, Mullins Printing Co., Clintwood, Va., 1986. SOURCES Follow: ------------------------------------------------ SOME MARRIAGE RECORDS: ----------------------------------------------- 1. John Vogt & T. William Kethley, Jr., Virginia Historic Marriage Register, Giles County Marriages, 1806-1850, Iberian Publishing Co., Athens, Georgia, p33, Huntsville Public Library, Huntsville, AL, H 975.5782 VOG. Grose, Allen & Elizabeth Fry 28 Sep 1837; d of George; bondsmen: R F Watts, Edward Hale min: Landon Duncan- 28 Sep1837. 2. Dodd, Jordan R, et. al., Early American Marriages: Virginia to 1850., Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx. "ALLEN GROSE ELIZABETH FRY 28 September 1837 Giles." ALLEN GROSE ELIZABETH FRY. 3. Allen Gross and Rebecca Mosely; Apr.13, 1861, Tazewell County, Virginia Marriage Book 3 Pg. 14 Line 10 Allen was the son of Wm. and Mary Gross. His age was 45, widowed, born in Pittsylvania Co., VA. She was 22 yrs. old, single, the daughter of Marinda Mosely, born in Carter County, TN. They were married by Patton J. Lockhart. Half-sister to Grandpa Dave Vance 4. Rebecca (Mosely Vance) Gross, age 30, a widow, on 11 April 1881 married James Osborn, age 30, widowed. Marriage Register, Welch, McDowell Co., WVa. (They are on 1900 Buchanan Co. Census with son Ruel b. 1886) --------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS --------------------------------------------------------- GROSS, ALLEN Township: Western District 62 Page: 308 1850 Census Tazewell County, Virginia: THE WESTERN DISTRICT; visit 1275, 1275, p308, img 190 Allen 40 M Farmer Va Betsy 40 F Va Sarah 13 F Va John 10 M Va Andy 8 M Va Emory 6 M Va [sic, This appears to be an error] Elanor 3 F Va (Cosby) Emma 1 F Va ------------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS: GROSS, ALLEN Township: Cedar Bluff P.O. Page: 153,839 1860 Census Tazewell County, Virginia: THE WESTERN DISTRICT; 28 July, 1860 by Alexander H. Greever visit 1063, 1034, img 43 19 Allen 47 M Farmer 285 Pennsylvania [sic, should probably be Pittsylvania] 20 Elizabeth 45 F Va 21 John W. 17 M Va 22 Andrew 15 M Va 23 Henry H [sic] 13 M Va 24 Cosbi E. 14 M Va 25 Emma S. 12 F Va 26 Matilda 10 F Va 27 Malinda L. 5 F Va Note: Ancestry.com has this indexed as Grosso ------------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS: GROSS, ALLEN State: VA Year: 1870 County: Buchanan County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Garden Township Page: 178, img 12, visit 76,73 Database: VA 1870 Federal Census Index Allen 58 Rebecca 29 Cosby 32 Arminda 5 Henderson 2 Elizabeth 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------

Randy, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. I was wondering how I could get the rest of the info that you found in your research on the Vance/Gross/McKinney family. Please contact me at [email protected] Thanks. Linda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Crouse McNew Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VARUSSEL] Allen Gross/Grose/Grose Census and Marriage Records - for Linda Housh Linda, Wanda Green especially, and her friends and I researched this Vance/Gross/McKinney family a few years ago, some of what we found, after extensive research, follows: Rebecca was Allen's 2nd wife. She was born Carter Co., TN around 1840 She was Rebecca Moseley d/o P. Harper Mosely and Marinda "Rindy" McKinney Rindy McKinney later married John Vance. Rebecca and her sister, Mary "Polly" carried the Vance name of their stepfather until they were adults, and then started going by Moseley until they were married. By the way, Mary Polly Mosely-Vance married Andy Gross s/o of Allen Gross So, the sisters Rebecca and Polly married father and son! Another way to look at it; Andy married his stepmother's sister. Andy was my wife's g-g grandfather so yes you and my wife are 3rd cousins. See Quintin Vance, Wanda Green, and Edna Horn; "David Vance and Family", pp. 19-23, Mullins Printing Co., Clintwood, Va., 1986. SOURCES Follow: ------------------------------------------------ SOME MARRIAGE RECORDS: ----------------------------------------------- 1. John Vogt & T. William Kethley, Jr., Virginia Historic Marriage Register, Giles County Marriages, 1806-1850, Iberian Publishing Co., Athens, Georgia, p33, Huntsville Public Library, Huntsville, AL, H 975.5782 VOG. Grose, Allen & Elizabeth Fry 28 Sep 1837; d of George; bondsmen: R F Watts, Edward Hale min: Landon Duncan- 28 Sep1837. 2. Dodd, Jordan R, et. al., Early American Marriages: Virginia to 1850., Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx. "ALLEN GROSE ELIZABETH FRY 28 September 1837 Giles." ALLEN GROSE ELIZABETH FRY. 3. Allen Gross and Rebecca Mosely; Apr.13, 1861, Tazewell County, Virginia Marriage Book 3 Pg. 14 Line 10 Allen was the son of Wm. and Mary Gross. His age was 45, widowed, born in Pittsylvania Co., VA. She was 22 yrs. old, single, the daughter of Marinda Mosely, born in Carter County, TN. They were married by Patton J. Lockhart. Half-sister to Grandpa Dave Vance 4. Rebecca (Mosely Vance) Gross, age 30, a widow, on 11 April 1881 married James Osborn, age 30, widowed. Marriage Register, Welch, McDowell Co., WVa. (They are on 1900 Buchanan Co. Census with son Ruel b. 1886) --------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS --------------------------------------------------------- GROSS, ALLEN Township: Western District 62 Page: 308 1850 Census Tazewell County, Virginia: THE WESTERN DISTRICT; visit 1275, 1275, p308, img 190 Allen 40 M Farmer Va Betsy 40 F Va Sarah 13 F Va John 10 M Va Andy 8 M Va Emory 6 M Va [sic, This appears to be an error] Elanor 3 F Va (Cosby) Emma 1 F Va ------------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS: GROSS, ALLEN Township: Cedar Bluff P.O. Page: 153,839 1860 Census Tazewell County, Virginia: THE WESTERN DISTRICT; 28 July, 1860 by Alexander H. Greever visit 1063, 1034, img 43 19 Allen 47 M Farmer 285 Pennsylvania [sic, should probably be Pittsylvania] 20 Elizabeth 45 F Va 21 John W. 17 M Va 22 Andrew 15 M Va 23 Henry H [sic] 13 M Va 24 Cosbi E. 14 M Va 25 Emma S. 12 F Va 26 Matilda 10 F Va 27 Malinda L. 5 F Va Note: Ancestry.com has this indexed as Grosso ------------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS: GROSS, ALLEN State: VA Year: 1870 County: Buchanan County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Garden Township Page: 178, img 12, visit 76,73 Database: VA 1870 Federal Census Index Allen 58 Rebecca 29 Cosby 32 Arminda 5 Henderson 2 Elizabeth 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message