"Old Frontiers" was reprinted in 1986 by Ayer Company, Publishers, Inc. and I'm sure it is still availabe. We bought our copy about 5 or 6 years ago. I believe you have to get it from Ayer in Salem, New Hampshire. It's a must if you are interested in Cherokee history. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <kitagista@adelphia.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Re: McGee Families in Russell County in 1850 > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764.1.1.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Its a shame but you may never know any more about her. Remember that in > those times people had to appear white to get along. I had one Cherokee > ancestor who listed her race as "mulatto" which is part black so she would > not be sent to OK in the trail of tears removal. I am not implying that > the white people were necessarily bad people, they are my ancestors too. > It was just hard times. The frontier in the US was SW VA, Tn and kentucky. > People were flooding in from Europe and it was pretty much a free for all > in 1700's. There is a book which gives an excellent feel for the times. > Its a long book and the writing style is not literary but I couldn't put > it down. The title is "Old Frontiers" by John Brown. Its hard to find and > has been out of print since the 1930's. The ETSU library has it. It is > historical fact and I really felt it helped me understand how life was > back then. It was very hard for everyone and essentially lawless. > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and > nothing else. If you are subscribed to the digest mode rather then the > list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:06:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Maphisx7@aol.com writes: Kittiewan plantaion I did a Google search and found the following links. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Kittiewan+plantation+&spell=1 Good luck David Coates Charlotte, North Carolina

This is very long. Sorry about the caps. Hi Glenda, Russell Co has very long roots. Yes, our ancestor William Justice was the owner of Kittiewon in the Middle Plantation, Fflower dew Hundred; from the original Charter dated 18 Nov 1618. I have a photo and if any would like. Below are some excellent sources for the property that is now on the National Register; interesting names located herein. Debra ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol III; Charles City County Court Orders 1661-1664, pg 207 George Cabell Greer, Clerk; Virginia State Land Office, compiler Early Virginia Immigrants 1623-1666 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1912 Richmond, VA) Wm Justice hath proved right by Indentures and testimony produced 1200 acres for the importacon of 24 persons Vidzt Wm Edds, Elizab: Harris, Peter Plumer, Tho: Atwell, Marion Chance, mary Plummer, Robt Middleton, Rich'd Clark, Alexander ___, John Crowe, Olliv'r Hunt, Ann Plumer, Alex: Hewett, Edd Hanscombe, Mary Cooper, Wm Price, Cornel' Clemence, Jo: Hatley, Sara Stiles, Mary Durdaine, Tho: Llewellin, Rebecca Heatham. Proved viszt Indentures 10 by Mr Aston's oath 2 by Wm Justice oath 1 by peter Plum'ers oath 11 Jur in Cur, 8 br3, 1659 [October] Test Hoel [Howell] Pryse Cl. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Charles City County Order Book 10, 1655-1658 Virginia Colony Land Patent Book 4, page 26 Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book 4, pg 329 THE PATENT TO WILLIAM JUSTICE PLANTATION: TO ALL TO WHOME THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME I EDWARD DIGGS ESQR., GOVR. & CAPT. GENERALL OF VIRGINIA SEND GREETINGE IN OUR LORD GOD EVERLASTINGE. WHEREAS BY THE ARTICLES DATED AT JAMES CITTY THE 12TH OF MARCH 1651 CONCLUDED & SIGNED BY THE COMRS. APPOINTED BY AUTHORITY OF PARLIMENT FOR THE REDUCINGE, SETTLINGE & GOVERNINGE OF VIRGANITT WAS PROVIDED THAT THE PREVILEDGE OF FIFTY ACRES OF LAND FOR EVERY PERSON TRANSPORTED INTO THIS COLONY SHOULD BE CONTINUED AS FORMERLY GRANTED AND WHEREAS BY ACT OF A GRAND ASSEMBLY MADE THE 26TH OF APRILL 1652 IT WAS PROVIDED THAT ALL PATTENTS SHOULD HEREAFTER BE SIGNED UNDER THE GOVERNORS HAND WITH THE SECRETARIES AND SHALL BE PROVIDED AND APOINTED. NOW KNOW YEE THAT I SAID EDWARD DIGGS ESQR.DOE WITH THE CONSENT OF THE COUNCELL OF STATE ACCORDINGLY GIVE AND GRANT UNTO WILLIAM JUSTICE ON THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY EIGHT ACRES OF LAND BEING A TRACT NEAR FLOWER DE HUNDRED CREEK IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY BOUNDING SOUTH SOUTH WEST INTO THE WOODS, NORTH NORTH EAST AND NORTH EAST BY NORTH ON THE SAID CREEK, WEST SOUTH WEST A MILE IN BREADTH AT THE HEADS & EAST SOUTH EAST ON THE LAND OF CHENEY BOICE WITH MARKED TREES ON EVERY STATION. THE SAID LANDS BEING FORMERLY GRANTED BY PATENT UNTO CAPT. JOHN FRAME BEARING DATE THE FIRST OF SEPTEMBER 1643 AND DUE UNTO THE SAID WILLIAM JUSTICE AS MARRIEINGE THE DAOUGHTER AND HYR. OF SD. CAPT FRAME, AS ALSO BY AND FOR THE TRANSPORTATION OF TWENTY FOUR PERSONS INTO THIS COLONY. TO HAVE AND TO HOLD THE SAID LAND WITH HIS DUE SHARE OF ALL MINES AND MINNERALLS THEREIN CONTEYNED WITH ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEDGES OF HUNTINGE HAWKINGE FISHINGE AND FOWLELINGE WITH ALL WOODS WATERS AND RIVERS WITH ALL PROFFITS COMMODOTIES AND HEREDITAMENTS WHATSOEVER IN ANNIE WISE BELONGINGE TO THE SAID LAND TO HIM THE SAID WILLIAM JUSTICE HIS HEYRES OR ASSIGNES FOR EVER IN AS LARGE AND AMPLE MANNER TO ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES AS IS EXPREST IN A CHARTER OF ORDERS FROM THE LATE TREASURER AND COMPANY DATED THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER 1618 OR BY CONSEQUENCE MAY BE JUSTLY COLLECTED OUT OF THE SAME OR OUT OF THE LETTERS PATTENTS WHEREON THEY ARE GROUNDED. YEILDINGE & PAYEINGE UNTO THE RENT GATHERERS THERETO APOINTED FOR EVERY FIFTY ACRES OF LAND HERIN BY THESE PRESENTS GIBEN & GRANTED YEARELY AT THE FEAST OF SAINT MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL THE FEE RENT OF ONE SHILLINGE WHICH PAYMENT IS TO BEE MADE SEAVEN YEARES AFTER THE FIRST GRANT OR SEATING THEREOF & NOT BEFORE. PROVIDED THAT IF THE SAID WILLIAM JUSTICE HIS HEYRES OR ASSIGNES DOE NOT PLANT OR SEAT OR CAUSE TO BEE PLANTED OR SEATED UPON THE SAID LAND WITHIN THREE YEARS NEXT ENSUEINGE THAT THEN IT MAY & SHALL BEE LAWFUL FOR ANY ADVENTURET OR PLANTER TO MAKE CHOICE & SEATE THEREON. GIVEN UNDER OUR HANDS AT JAMES CITTY THE 26TH DAY OF APRIL, 1656. THE TWENTY FOUR PERSONS BEING: MARY SHERWOOD, RICHARD LEE, JOHN BARBER, EDMOND JOYNER, MATHEW BAILE, WILLIAM COLEMAN, WM PHILLIPS, JOSEPH ERRENCE, THOMAS HAISTWOOD, ALICE MITCHELL, REBECCA FRAME, FRANCIS NELSON, WILLIAM PRICE, WILLIAM LAWRENCE, MARY LAWRENCE, ANNE LAWERENCE, SARAH LAWRENCE, WILLIAM BALLANCE, JOHN HATLEY, ELIZABETH HEARTH, PEETER PLUMER, AND THOMAS WHITTER. 26 APRILL 1656 WM. JUSTICE HATH PROVED RIGHT BY TESTIMONY OF CAPT. THOMAS STEGGE AND MRS. MARY FFITZGARRETT, TO 1200 ACRES OF LAND FOR THE CHARGE OF IGNOTA'CON OF: MARY SHERWOOD, WM. PHILLIPS, ALES MITCHELL, THO. WHITTIER, REBECCA FFRAME, RICH. LEE, WM COLEMAN, FFRANCIS NELSON, JO BARBER, JOSEPH ERREENE THO. HAIPTWOOD, WM. LAWRENCE, MARY LAWRENCE, ARTHUR LAWRENCE, SARA LAWRENECE, W. BALLANCE, JO. HALLEY, ELIZ. HEATH, PETER PLUMER. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Kittiewon: National Register of Historic Places Kittiewan (added 1979 - Building - #79003316) 2.5 mi. SE of New Hope, Charles City County, VA Historic Significance: Information Potential, Architecture/Engineering Architect, builder, or engineer: Unknown [William Justice] Architectural Style: No Style Listed Area of Significance: Historic - Non-Aboriginal, Architecture Cultural Affiliation: American Colonial Period of Significance: 1650-1699, 1700-1749, 1750-1799 Owner: Private Historic Function: Agriculture/Subsistence, Domestic Historic Sub-function: Single Dwelling Current Function: Agriculture/Subsistence, Domestic Current Sub-function: Single Dwelling Also listed in this place is Berkely Plantation, birthplace of Benjamin Harrison, Shirley Plantation, Westover Church, Weynoke Plantation, John Tyler House ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ The Archeological Society of Virginia 2001 Annual Meeting in Williamsburg Address by Michael B. Barber- ASV President Saturday afternoon and evening were equally well spent. After the conclusion of the papers for the day, a field trip to Kittiewan Plantation on the James River took place. Both the 18th century plantation house and the Visitors Center/Museum were open to a tour by ASV members. The plantation house is renowned for its original wood paneling and is now becoming well known for its collections of tools, quilts, toys, dolls, bottles, architectural materials, furniture, and other elements of material culture. The owner, Mr. William Cropper, was present and kindly addressed many points of Kittiewan's past history and future plans. ******* Glenda wrote: I have been looking for info on the Kittiewan plantaion and have not been able to find any. Do any of you have any sources for it. I would like to check it out since our ancestors did origionally own it. Thanks, Glenda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Its a shame but you may never know any more about her. Remember that in those times people had to appear white to get along. I had one Cherokee ancestor who listed her race as "mulatto" which is part black so she would not be sent to OK in the trail of tears removal. I am not implying that the white people were necessarily bad people, they are my ancestors too. It was just hard times. The frontier in the US was SW VA, Tn and kentucky. People were flooding in from Europe and it was pretty much a free for all in 1700's. There is a book which gives an excellent feel for the times. Its a long book and the writing style is not literary but I couldn't put it down. The title is "Old Frontiers" by John Brown. Its hard to find and has been out of print since the 1930's. The ETSU library has it. It is historical fact and I really felt it helped me understand how life was back then. It was very hard for everyone and essentially lawless.

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I have been looking for info on the Kittiewan plantaion and have not been able to find any. Do any of you have any sources for it. I would like to check it out since our ancestors did origionally own it. Thanks, Glenda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have no solid proof that there is indian ancestry I'm just going by oral tradition cuz that's all there is. Records on my family is almost non existant. Martha McGee (the supposed full blooded indian) death record reads as follows. She died in 1854. Martha McGee 75y F26 Aug Blank Blank Jeremiah Compton In 1850 her age is given as 53 so it's hard to tell how she was. No cause of death or parents named mentioned. For all I know there could have been Melungeon ancestry as well. I noticed that the grandchildren of Martha, most had piercing blue eyes, very dark skin, and high cheek bones.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gilbert, Shepard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/1615.1 Message Board Post: I just read your entry of 2000. My Grandmother's name was Lizzie Shepard ( Sheppard). I would very much like to view the picture that you have to see if it is of her. Have you had your questions answered on the Hess Cem. on River Mt.? It is on my relative's land and I would gladly get you what ever information you request. Please e-mail me at: pmhcalm@aol.com Thank You.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I believe the word "Tuckahoe" was used in several of the native language to refer to a plant, a kind of wild yam/sweet potato-like tuber which many used as a source of food. The place name Tuckahoe is common throughout the eastern US. One area of Virginia which uses it is around Richmond. I believe there may be a band near King William VA which uses that name, but I am not sure. Also another possibility - the Cherokee had 7 bands, one of which was the "sweet potato people". You could go on their website and ask if the word "tuckahoe" was used inTsalagi. However there were very few if any Cherokee in VA. I have relations from three tribes. They are nearly impossible to track. Also seems most everybody claims some Indian ancestry, most of them with no merit to their claims. Its cool to be Indian and a lot of people want in on the action. The problems with the early tribes is that they collided withthe European Colonists early on during slavery days and before cameras were inve! nted. Ther is almost no record of them. Several of the tribes in NC, eastern VA, MD, Delaware were taken as slaves and cross-bred with blacks from Africa. They live on only as a component in the African American gene pool. The more western Indians tended to be less easy to tame.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3762.1 Message Board Post: They lived in New Garden and had a 7 yr. old grandchild, Ganes, living with them.

unsubscribe please. Love this group but I think all my Russell Co roots are not in these lines of discussion. My inbox is a nightmare. Will check back with you all. God Bless! ----- Original Message ----- From: <cac@ntelos.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Re: McGee Families in Russell County in 1850 > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > My ancestors said she was full blooded Tuckahoe. > > But I've never heard of them until then. > > I haven't found much on them. > > > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > Remember when you post or reply to a message to change the subject > heading to match the content of your message. Your subject heading acts > like a newspaper headline & tells people what your message is about. > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764.1.1 Message Board Post: My ancestors said she was full blooded Tuckahoe. But I've never heard of them until then. I haven't found much on them.

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Angus McGhee md. Patsy Thornton 22 Oct 1818 in Henry County, Va. This must have been his 2nd wife. Angus McGhee was born abt 1780 according to the 1820 census of Franklin County, Virginia. I do not find Angus McGhee in the census except for 1820. Sarah McGhee married Isaac Boyd, Sr. 16 Dec 1826 in Franklin Co., Va., Angus McGhee was surety for this marriage. In 1830 Isaac, Sr. and Sarah McGhee Boyd were in Patrick Co., Va. In 1840 and 1850 they were in Russell, 1860 and 1870 they were in Buchanan Co., Va. I am looking for any of Angus McGhee's descendant's. Randy -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cac@ntelos.net Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:29 PM To: VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VARUSSEL] McGee Families in Russell County in 1850 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764 Message Board Post: I've had a terrible time trying to figure out some of my McGee ancestry. My 3rd great grandmother was Martha Jane McGee, who married Jeremiah Compton Jr. in 1839. Martha Jane's mother's name was Martha but I don't know anything else. She was in Russell Co. by 1840. She was a native of Patrick Co. and was rumored to be full blooded indian. No one has been able to help me identify this group yet but I suspect that Martha could be the wife of Angus McGee. I'm hoping someone can help that has more access to records than I do. Chris, ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== To subscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish to have subscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then the list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3764 Message Board Post: I've had a terrible time trying to figure out some of my McGee ancestry. My 3rd great grandmother was Martha Jane McGee, who married Jeremiah Compton Jr. in 1839. Martha Jane's mother's name was Martha but I don't know anything else. She was in Russell Co. by 1840. She was a native of Patrick Co. and was rumored to be full blooded indian. No one has been able to help me identify this group yet but I suspect that Martha could be the wife of Angus McGee. I'm hoping someone can help that has more access to records than I do. Chris,

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3763 Message Board Post: I'm looking for the whereabouts of my 4th g-grandmother in 1870. I don't have a death date for her and she doesn't have a death record as far as I know. Her husban was killed at Kernstown in 1862. Her son John Taze Howard was living head of household in 1870 with the younger kids. Mary (thier mother) was nowhere in Russell Co. She could have died, moved away and remarried I'm not sure. Chris,

Chris I found William and Laura in Russell Co with grandchild Is this them? William Dotson Laura Dotson New Garden, Russell, VA abt 1881 Tennessee Head Laura Dotson William Dotson New Garden, Russell, VA abt 1886 Wife Ganes Dotson New Garden, Russell, VA abt 1923 Grandchild --- cac@ntelos.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3762 > > Message Board Post: > > > I need the 1930 Census entry for: > > William Sherman Dotson > Laura L. Dotson > > I believe they lived near Drill when they got > married in 1921. > > I need to know if they had any kids by 1930. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Chris > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to the list send an email from the > email address you wish > to have subscribed to: > VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the > word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the > message and nothing > else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then > the list mode send > this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3762 Message Board Post: I need the 1930 Census entry for: William Sherman Dotson Laura L. Dotson I believe they lived near Drill when they got married in 1921. I need to know if they had any kids by 1930. Thanks, Chris Chris

I have this Thomas Fletcher born about 1846 son of Major A. Fletcher and Rachel Nash. Thomas enlisted into company "I", 34th Virginia Cavalry. He filed for pension in 1900 at age 54. Can you tell me his wife's maiden name? Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: <ecbingham@frii.com> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Re: 1900,1910,1920 Russell County Census Lookups > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3735.3 > > Message Board Post: > > 1910 Russell VA Census, Cleveland District 55, P. 7A, Household 104/106: > > Thomas K. Fletcher, age 67, b. VA, married 30 years, 1st marriage, both parents born VA > Mag, age 55, 1st marriage, children 7/4, b. VA, both parents born VA > John, age 16 > > 1920 Russell VA census, Cleveland District 74, P. 6B, household 105/108 > Thomas K. Fletcher, age 75, b. VA > Margarett age 60, b. VA > John age 25 > > > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and > nothing else. If you are subscribed to the digest mode rather then the > list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com >