This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3783.1 Message Board Post: Shirley, Do you know if George & Jacob are related to Sarah Francisco who married John Hypes May 24, 1830 in Botetourt Cty., VA -- they are my GGG Grandparents. Linda (Kelly) Atwell Monrovia, MD

Wonder why over the years someone hasn't gotten the Commonwealth's Attorney of Russell County involved in this. Is it too late? ----- Original Message ----- From: <RBurdue99@aol.com> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RESEARCHING BEFORE 1850! > For what it is worth, I was told that the missing books were taken by a > clerk when the new courthouse was built. > > Does the state of VA, maybe Richmond in state archives have those copies of > records missing? Not sure, but didn't the state have "Master" cospies of > vital records. Correct me if I am wrong. > > My ancestors fall into those years as well. Having lived in Lebanon. Would > love to see those records too. For someone to hold back something for so many > years ago, is sad. Maybe some illicit affair to shame them, but why hold > back for centuries, come on folks, share it with the peasant of us out there. > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > Messages of an inflamatory or abusive manner will not be tolerated > on the mailing list. Messages of this type are to be sent in private > either to the person they are directed toward or the list owner. > Complaints should also be sent to the list owner. Violators of this > rule are subject to suspension from the mailing list. >

I have been told by some researchers with more experience and background than I, that in days of yore the clerks often would take the county's record books with them when they retired or left office, considering the volumes their personal property. Has anyone else heard something like this? Carolyn HALE BRUCE Co-author of Rebel King, Hammer of the Scots and Rebel King, The Har'ships See our site at www.RebelKing.com Coming Soon: VIRGINIANA, A Visitors' Guide to Virginia History & Other Stuff See our site at www.virginianabooks.com

For what it is worth, I was told that the missing books were taken by a clerk when the new courthouse was built. Does the state of VA, maybe Richmond in state archives have those copies of records missing? Not sure, but didn't the state have "Master" cospies of vital records. Correct me if I am wrong. My ancestors fall into those years as well. Having lived in Lebanon. Would love to see those records too. For someone to hold back something for so many years ago, is sad. Maybe some illicit affair to shame them, but why hold back for centuries, come on folks, share it with the peasant of us out there.

If this was published in the local media it just might be that someone would come forward with more info. about this matter. It may be they don't read this web site. Earl

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3734.3.1.1 Message Board Post: HA,CHRIS IVE HEARD MY DAD TALK ABOUT CHARLIE, I GUESS THEY WERE PRETTY GOOD FRIENDS.I THINK TYLER IS BURIED IN NEW GARDEN.IM STILL TRYING TO GET MORE INFO.SORRY I COULDNT BE MUCH HELP.BUT MATTIE WAS MY GRANDMOTHER AND RC.IS MY FATHER

I guess not. No records are ever suppose to leave a government building. I would think that is punishable, but only if they could find out who took them. Was this recent?

I'm so glad someone had the guts to speak up about an issue like this. It's ashame what people will do to protect their own family. They don't care about anyone else but themselves, BUT then that's good ol politics for ya!! Suzan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3785 Message Board Post: I Know many of you have seen my posts on this subject before but I can't stress it's importance enough. I'm doing this to sound mean, negative, or slanderous against certain people I'm just stating what many in fact believe to be the truth. I have often been scoffed for being a truth teller. lol I have been doing genealogy for about 12 years now and I've come to about 3 or 4 brick walls that I can't blast through, climb over , etc. About 100 years ago, the first marriage book of Russell County VA, was stolen from the courthouse records room. Along with the first Will Book. This marriage book covers the years (1786-1852). There are 65 years worth of priceless history that has been lost to this county because of greed of a single person (and/or) group. There was a cover story started that a fire consumed the book which was an outright lie and propostrous because there are no records of a fire and only "certain" records turned up missing. A fire doesn't pick and chose what it destroys. Many people within politics of yesterday and today have tried to make excuses and pass it off but I know what happened. A clerk or someone that was friendly with an EXTREMELY influential and wealthy Russell County family had these taken out to avoid public embarrassment of what some records held. Now some have hinted to the Stuart Dynasty but I can't be for certain. By the early 1900s. the Dickensons weren't what they used to be and I really don't know what family would have had such total and absolute control over the county in the late 1800s and early 1900s besides the Stuarts. I don't know the details but I do know that there is concrete belief that the marriage book and first Will book (1786-1803) is still in the family mansion of whatever family had this done. I'm not saying either way who I think it is because actually I have not the foggiest but I know one thing is for certain. With the prominence of the Stuart family at one time they would have DEFINITELY known the whereabouts of those books. And more specificly who perpetrated the crime. Problem is, Russell County is still so tight lipped and politics driven that these old secret mysteries of the elders of the county are being protected for some stupid reason. I see it as a major devastating blow to anyone trying to research their early Russell County heritage. If a normal person would have stolen this stuff it would have definitely meant prison time. BUT we are talking about people for which man's law does not apply, the super elite. Many could speculate or theorize as to what would be in the records that a high ranking publich official wouldn't want the rest of the peasants to see, but one this is for certain and that is that there are more people at the bottom than there are at the top. Now it's completely possible that by now the books could be rotted beyond repair to the point to where they're just old trash. But for some reason I don't tend think that. I've always had a pretty good keen sense for what this county is like and I've never been wrong yet. I wish that if anyone that had any descency in them whatsoever that really knew where they still are to give em back to the public. Until this silly ridiculous game of "see what I can do because my granddaddy owned the county...blah blah" we can never get past those stumbling blocks. Maybe one day the evil that had this done will cease and the records that really belog to to the public will back where they belong. If I offended anyone in high places within the county then I'm sure if you go to church and repent you'll be forgiven for taking up for these criminals that carried out the single worst terrorist attack against Russell County genealogy since the foundation of our region. Just an observation from a concerned Russell Co. genealogist

I agree but don't they know when those leave the court houses they cannot be proven on any one SBelle40@aol.com wrote:I'm so glad someone had the guts to speak up about an issue like this. It's ashame what people will do to protect their own family. They don't care about anyone else but themselves, BUT then that's good ol politics for ya!! Suzan ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== Messages of an inflamatory or abusive manner will not be tolerated on the mailing list. Messages of this type are to be sent in private either to the person they are directed toward or the list owner. Complaints should also be sent to the list owner. Violators of this rule are subject to suspension from the mailing list. Love,Light,And Peace to You, Rosie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

This is the first time I have seen the herring name on a web site I thought mine dropped out of the sky. did you know Abraham Lincolns grandmother was barsheba herring? where can I find out about my herring lines I think from breathit county don't even know where that is (close to Russel Co VA?) imaherring@yahoo.com wrote:This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Herring Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3784 Message Board Post: As part of the ongoing research into the HERRING family name, a DNA study is being carried out to help support (or disprove) the current paper genealogies and to help connect with others of the same surname world-wide. Only DNA from the Y-chromosome will be tested and as such, only males who are directly descended (or believed to be descended) from the HERRING family name should apply. This also includes spelling variants of the surname such as Herren, Hearing, Harring, Herrin, etc. If you are a female researcher, you can participate indirectly if you have a brother, father, paternal uncle, or male cousin with the HERRING or variant surname who is willing to submit a DNA sample. Others may participate by sharing the cost of the HERRING surname DNA testing. Because we are acting as a Surname Project, we qualify for discounted testing rates. The details of the HERRING Surname DNA Project can be found at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=M51728&special=true PLEASE HELP! JOIN TODAY! You can contact me directly if you have any questions at imaherring@yahoo.com Thank you, Patrick Herring ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing else. If you are subscribed to the digest mode rather then the list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com Love,Light,And Peace to You, Rosie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3734.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Thanks for your post. Isn't Mattie the mother of R.C. Musick? R.C. use to keep an eye on my uncle Charlie Dotson when he lived in those apartments in Lebanon. I was wondering. Do you know where Tyler and Mary Jane are buried? or do you have birth and death dates for them? I haven't been able to find any of that stuff. Do you know of any pictures of Mary Jane? I'm trying to find photos of the older Wilsons but it's so hard. From available census records I know that Mary Jane and her siblings survived into the 1920s and 30s at least maybe even into the early 40s. I have some info on Mary Jane's family if you would like. I don't have anything on the Castles since I don't tie back to them directly. I go back to Adam & Rebecca Wilson through their son James Wilson, who was Mary Jane's brother. Chris,

Campbell is one of my lines. Can you give me some names from the early 1800s? ----- Original Message ----- From: <shirfields@adelphia.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: [VARUSSEL] burial place for george francisco, d. 1818 > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: francisco, fannon, garrett, fortner, campbell > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3783 > > Message Board Post: > > am hoping that someone might know the burial site for george francisco who died in russell co, 1818. he and his wife mary fannon francisco lived on indian creek (possibly maiden spring fork) near his brother jacob francisco, and david fannon and william romine. > any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated. > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > Remember when you post or reply to a message to change the subject > heading to match the content of your message. Your subject heading acts > like a newspaper headline & tells people what your message is about. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Herring Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3784 Message Board Post: As part of the ongoing research into the HERRING family name, a DNA study is being carried out to help support (or disprove) the current paper genealogies and to help connect with others of the same surname world-wide. Only DNA from the Y-chromosome will be tested and as such, only males who are directly descended (or believed to be descended) from the HERRING family name should apply. This also includes spelling variants of the surname such as Herren, Hearing, Harring, Herrin, etc. If you are a female researcher, you can participate indirectly if you have a brother, father, paternal uncle, or male cousin with the HERRING or variant surname who is willing to submit a DNA sample. Others may participate by sharing the cost of the HERRING surname DNA testing. Because we are acting as a Surname Project, we qualify for discounted testing rates. The details of the HERRING Surname DNA Project can be found at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=M51728&special=true PLEASE HELP! JOIN TODAY! You can contact me directly if you have any questions at imaherring@yahoo.com Thank you, Patrick Herring

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3734.3 Message Board Post: tyler is my g g grandfather, louise castle is my grandmothers mother. my grandmothers name is mattie belcher musick married daffron musick son of beverly j musick.i believe tyler was a civil war vetran in 34th cavalry.

Looking for Randy Crouse McNew, who posted some Crouse genealogy on this site in late January. The email address shown on the posting comes back to me as invalid. Randy, if you see this, please contact me. We may have a connection. Thanks Ron Pauley, Sterling, VA (formerly of the coalfields of southern WV)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: francisco, fannon, garrett, fortner, campbell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3783 Message Board Post: am hoping that someone might know the burial site for george francisco who died in russell co, 1818. he and his wife mary fannon francisco lived on indian creek (possibly maiden spring fork) near his brother jacob francisco, and david fannon and william romine. any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Was your Richard Wells married to Susanna Hutchinson? Suzan

List ISSAC TOWNSLEY m. Mary (Polly) POWERS Birth: 17 Jan 1813, VA/TN Res: Pg 105-106, 274 Death: 20 Mar 1896, Claiborne Co., TN Burial: Cosby Or Woods Cemetery, Claiborne Co., TN Occ: Still Living At Age 83; House Keeper Source: From P.G. Fulkerson's Papers Father: George POWERS Sr. (1790-~1840) Mother: Anna UNKNOWN (~1795-1872) They raised two sons and three daughters i think these are my g-great grandparents. also the POWERS lady's brother marr MARGARET MOORE. after his death MARGARET returned to RUSSELL Co. i sort of think she is related to the BLACKWATER,VA in LEE Co. MOOREs. theres a list of this lines gen on my pages. also in this line are 2 brothers ROBERT LEE & DANIEL LOVE MOORE. a MOORE researcher here in INDIANA researching the DAN MOORE side. thanks Ray Moore. my pages http://tippytnn.topcities.com/moore508/moore.htm MOORE,MAYES,TOWNSLEY,WHITEAKER, WHITAKER,GRUBBS,POE, GRAY, HAUN,LONG,OGLESBY, CRAVENS,VOWELL,PARKER, MOLES,MEADOWS,LAMBERT,NORTH, FIELDS,(HUNDLEY,MANIS,of HAWKINS Co.TN.) & others. in CLAIBORNE,KNOX,GRAINGER Cos.TN. http://tippytnn.topcities.com/moore508/moore.htm

I too am a descendant of Richard Wells. My great-great Grandfather was Moses and his daughter Louisa Jane Wells was my great grandmother. She married Garrett Deweese Arrowood, and had 13 chidren. My grandmother Minnie was their last. Wasn't I lucky? Shirley Skeen Borden