If the Methodist Church was used as the Courthouse while a new one was being built then some of the court records could have been moved and or stored at the church. I wonder if anyone has checked the old church records for info concerning the fire and what part the church played in the way of storing records etc. Could it be possible that those missing books are in or around that building. It wouldn't hurt to ask.. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Dye" <madye@fuse.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:45 AM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Missing Marriage & Will Books > Everyone, > > I guess it's time for me to finally chime in on this matter. Seems like > we have this topic come up every now and then. First someone brings it > up, and then there is this big discussion about who did what and what to > do about it, which in the end leads to nowhere. > > First a little background. As Tom & Wayne said, there apparently was a > courthouse fire in 1872. I haven't checked primary records to confirm > this, but secondary sources seem to indicate that the courthouse was > destroyed by fire. However, if in fact there was a fire that destroyed > the courthouse, lets look at what records were destroyed and what were > not. The only records that are missing are the first will book which > covers the years 1786-1803 and the first marriage book which covers the > years 1786-1853. All the other will books after 1803, the other marriage > books, deed books, law order books etc., up though 1872 are all still > present. My belief is that surely all the records would have been kept in > the same place and that if the courhouse had been destroyed with records > in it, that all the records would have been destroyed, not just the first > marriage & will books. Therefore my assumption and belief is that either > the courthouse wasn't completely destroyed or the re! > cords were not being kept and the courthouse at the time it was. In > either case, I do not believe the first marriage & will books were > destroyed by fire. > > Assuming that the books were not destroyed only leaves one other option, > that they were removed at some point. If this is so, the only relevant > questions at this point are, do they still survive and if so, where are > they and how can they be returned. It does not matter at this point who > took them, for what reason, or what they have done with them if they do > still survive. The reason I say this is because I have personally > discussed this matter with several people in RCV, some of these persons > much older than I. From my conversations I can say that I believe that > the books have been missing at least 50 years, maybe as much as 100 years. > No one that I have spoken with knows exactly when they turned up missing > and none knows where they are for sure, though some have stated that they > knew someone who claims to have seen them. Some have theories about about > who and why, as do I. But I will not discuss these theories on a public > forum at this point. Anyway, as you can see,! > the records have apparently been missing for a very, very long time. Some > of you have asked why haven't the state's attorney etc. gotten involved. > Forget it, it isn't going to happen. Not for something like this that > happened 50-100 years ago. Not only that, but if the books do still > survive, and I do not know at this point if they even do, but I think that > is a big if, but if they do, talk such as this will only lessen the chance > that they will ever be recovered, especially if someone who may know about > them sees it. > > My feeling is that if these books do still survive, there is probably a > good chance that whoever has them may not even know they do. I have seen > to many times where someone has found something in an old house that they > didn't know was there when they moved in. My opinion is that the best > approach to their possible eventual recovery is the low key approach, > quiet discussion between individuals about the fact that they are missing > and how great it would be to be able to eventually recover them if they > survive. > > As for the message that was posted on the message board, Max is correct, > it has been removed. It was both inflamatory and accusatory and was way > over the top. These types of messages have no place on the message board > and will be removed when/if they are posted there. Further, as a warning, > anyone intending to post these types of messages to the mailing list in > the future, realize that you may subject yourself to being suspended or > removed from the mailing list. I will not permit attacks of this nature > to occur on my message board or mailing list. > > Mike > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > Messages of an inflamatory or abusive manner will not be tolerated > on the mailing list. Messages of this type are to be sent in private > either to the person they are directed toward or the list owner. > Complaints should also be sent to the list owner. Violators of this > rule are subject to suspension from the mailing list. > >

A few tears back (4) the State of Virginia restoration of these graves. Suj you contact your Congressman on this matter as the program was funded and conducted for them. Lee Hash Culpeper, Va

Thank you Mike. Quite a few years ago, I visited Russell Co. Court Hs. to look for some records of deeds. Everyone was extremely courteous to me and even directed me to the books of the first layout of the town where I found records of lots which were first sold to some of the members of my husband's family (Welch)but I did not find anything on the Powers, Jarrell, Damron , Witt, etc. Almost all of my husband's ancestors came from that area. I failed to get copies of those lot sales while I was there and regret that today. However, I may be able to get back there someday. At 84, I can't make too many plans to research personally any more. Again, THANKS! Finger pointing and accusations could just cause the missing records to perhaps be destroyed for fear of discovery. If you put a notice in the local paper, it might be nice to do as the libraries do. Say no questions will be asked of the returnees and/or a reward could be offered, plus complete anonymity will be guaranteed. A fellow seeker. Lola Pruitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Dye" <madye@fuse.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Missing Marriage & Will Books > Everyone, > > I guess it's time for me to finally chime in on this matter. Seems like we have this topic come up every now and then. First someone brings it up, and then there is this big discussion about who did what and what to do about it, which in the end leads to nowhere. > > First a little background. As Tom & Wayne said, there apparently was a courthouse fire in 1872. I haven't checked primary records to confirm this, but secondary sources seem to indicate that the courthouse was destroyed by fire. However, if in fact there was a fire that destroyed the courthouse, lets look at what records were destroyed and what were not. The only records that are missing are the first will book which covers the years 1786-1803 and the first marriage book which covers the years 1786-1853. All the other will books after 1803, the other marriage books, deed books, law order books etc., up though 1872 are all still present. My belief is that surely all the records would have been kept in the same place and that if the courhouse had been destroyed with records in it, that all the records would have been destroyed, not just the first marriage & will books. Therefore my assumption and belief is that either the courthouse wasn't completely destroyed or the re! > cords were not being kept and the courthouse at the time it was. In either case, I do not believe the first marriage & will books were destroyed by fire. > > Assuming that the books were not destroyed only leaves one other option, that they were removed at some point. If this is so, the only relevant questions at this point are, do they still survive and if so, where are they and how can they be returned. It does not matter at this point who took them, for what reason, or what they have done with them if they do still survive. The reason I say this is because I have personally discussed this matter with several people in RCV, some of these persons much older than I. From my conversations I can say that I believe that the books have been missing at least 50 years, maybe as much as 100 years. No one that I have spoken with knows exactly when they turned up missing and noone knows where they are for sure, though some have stated that they knew someone who claims to have seen them. Some have theories about about who and why, as do I. But I will not discuss these theories on a public forum at this point. Anyway, as you can see! > , the records have apparently been missing for a very, very long time. Some of you have asked why haven't the state's attorney etc. gotten involved. Forget it, it isn't going to happen. Not for something like this that happened 50-100 years ago. Not only that, but if the books do still survive, and I do not know at this point if they even do, but I think that is a big if, but if they do, talk such as this will only lessen the chance that they will ever be recovered, especially if someone who may know about them sees it. > > My feeling is that if these books do still survive, there is probably a good chance that whoever has them may not even know they do. I have seen to many times where someone has found something in an old house that they didn't know was there when they moved in. My opinion is that the best approach to their possible eventual recovery is the low key approach, quiet discussion between individuals about the fact that they are missing and how great it would be to be able to eventually recover them if they survive. Another approach might be a newspaper article to let people know the books are missing (and not in a way which accuses anyone of anything) and to keep an eye out for them and give someone as a contact in case anyone happens to locate them so they could be safely returned. The key is that you don't want anyone to feel threatened in any way with any kind of punishment for having the books in their possession, especially since, assuming they were taken at some point, th! > ose involved are probably no longer living. The goal should be simply the recovery and return of the books if they survive, and that is all. > > As for the message that was posted on the message board, Max is correct, it has been removed. It was both inflamatory and accusatory and was way over the top. These types of messages have no place on the message board and will be removed when/if they are posted there. Further, as a warning, anyone intending to post these types of messages to the mailing list in the future, realize that you may subject yourself to being suspended or removed from the mailing list. I will not permit attacks of this nature to occur on my message board or mailing list. > > Mike > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have subscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the > word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing > else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then the list mode send > this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

I am forwarding this message to my other lists and some family members because I am horrified that it will happen and no one will have tried to stop it. So pardon all the cross posting. I am in Texas and can't travel or I'd be in a car and drive there myself! Forwarded message is below. Sue Lester Patterson -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:22 PM To: VATAZEWE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-TAZEWELL] Whitt Cemetery destrsuction I just received a message from my cousin that the Cemetery in Tazewell County VA where Hezekiah Whitt, Revolutionary War soldier and some of the Low/Lowe family are buried is going to be destroyed by the present day land owner. The old Whitt house was still standing, but the land owner is tearing it down. A neighbor in Tazewell wrote and told me that he was taking the fence down around the cemetery and planned to get rid of the stones. The old cemetery was south of Busthead. Can anyone give me some suggestions as to how to stop the cemetery from being destroyed? I live in Colorado so I need some suggestions of who to write in Tazewell who might help. Bev Tracy tracybev@plains.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005

No, sorry. My lead was 1806 John Ratliff m. Feby (Phoebe) Caze (Keezee) Floyd Co. I don't have a clue as to the ancestors of either of them. Lola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hicks" <davelah@bellsouth.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] Genealogy Group Meeting > Lola and List > Would you have a Charles Keesee in your files He was in Russell co Va in the > early 1800 His Dau Elizabeth married Clairborne Hicks Nov. 19 1787 in > Pittsylvania CO. VA. Her father was Charles and Hannah Keesee, the children > I have found are Elias,Mary,Richard and Elizabeth. Richard and Elias went on > over to Ky. any of these in your line?. > Thanks Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lola pruitt" <mrslomar@netacs.net> > To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] Genealogy Group Meeting > > > > Thanks for the information, but I will not be able to attend. > > I've been researching the Powers, Welch, Jarrell, Keesee, Ratliff, > > Robertson, Pruitt, Damron & Walters families for several years. All of > > whom > > came from that area into Eastern & No. Eastern Ky. Some then came into > > Western WV. > > I visited Lebanon some time ago and enjoyed the time I had there. It's a > > lovely city. A Seeker.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Vernon & Pauline Salyers" <pvsaly@naxs.net> > > To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:48 AM > > Subject: [VARUSSEL] Genealogy Group Meeting > > > > > >> The Russell Co Genealogy Group will be meeting on Thursday, February > >> 3rd, 5:30 pm at the Russell Co Library. Our guest speaker, Jency Price > >> Houser was born in Russell Co in 1921, attended Chestnut Ridge School > >> and graduated from Honaker High School in 1939. After moving to Tucson, > >> AZ, she went on to become a published author, radio personality, > >> registered investment advisor, registered lobbyist, and more. After > >> retiring, she returned to her native Russell Co. Everyone is encouraged > >> to come meet and enjoy this lovely lady. > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > >> Remember when you post or reply to a message to change the subject > >> heading to match the content of your message. Your subject heading acts > >> like a newspaper headline & tells people what your message is about. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > > to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > > the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and > > nothing else. If you are subscribed to the digest mode rather then the > > list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and > nothing else. If you are subscribed to the digest mode rather then the > list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/1533.1535.4.2.1 Message Board Post: Crystal, I am sorry but I have no Daunt Honaker in my records and my Rachel was married to Daniel Ray. However, I would suggest contacting the Honaker Family Association at PO Box 3636, Alexandria, VA 22302 phone:(703) 751-7321. Hope this helps Clint

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Honaker/Ray Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/1533.1535.4.2 Message Board Post: Clint, I am the ggggranddaughter of Daunt Honaker and Rachel Ray and I am having much trouble finding any iformation on Daunt and Rachel. They had a daughter by the name of Lavania that marreid Delathia Price. Can you PLEASE help me? Any information will be greatly appreciated. thank you Crystal

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3767.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have no idea since we can't get anything on Joseph Creger's parents or possible brothers or sisters, etc. (no names--no nothing). Have no idea who they were or where they came from. We're at a dead end! :-(

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3783.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Shirley, I descend from their son Jacob Lewis Hypes. Sarah's line goes back Lewis > Ludowick > Ludwig Christophel Franciscus so....I think we meet in the end. Take care, Cuzn Linda

Everyone, I guess it's time for me to finally chime in on this matter. Seems like we have this topic come up every now and then. First someone brings it up, and then there is this big discussion about who did what and what to do about it, which in the end leads to nowhere. First a little background. As Tom & Wayne said, there apparently was a courthouse fire in 1872. I haven't checked primary records to confirm this, but secondary sources seem to indicate that the courthouse was destroyed by fire. However, if in fact there was a fire that destroyed the courthouse, lets look at what records were destroyed and what were not. The only records that are missing are the first will book which covers the years 1786-1803 and the first marriage book which covers the years 1786-1853. All the other will books after 1803, the other marriage books, deed books, law order books etc., up though 1872 are all still present. My belief is that surely all the records would have been kept in the same place and that if the courhouse had been destroyed with records in it, that all the records would have been destroyed, not just the first marriage & will books. Therefore my assumption and belief is that either the courthouse wasn't completely destroyed or the re! cords were not being kept and the courthouse at the time it was. In either case, I do not believe the first marriage & will books were destroyed by fire. Assuming that the books were not destroyed only leaves one other option, that they were removed at some point. If this is so, the only relevant questions at this point are, do they still survive and if so, where are they and how can they be returned. It does not matter at this point who took them, for what reason, or what they have done with them if they do still survive. The reason I say this is because I have personally discussed this matter with several people in RCV, some of these persons much older than I. From my conversations I can say that I believe that the books have been missing at least 50 years, maybe as much as 100 years. No one that I have spoken with knows exactly when they turned up missing and noone knows where they are for sure, though some have stated that they knew someone who claims to have seen them. Some have theories about about who and why, as do I. But I will not discuss these theories on a public forum at this point. Anyway, as you can see! , the records have apparently been missing for a very, very long time. Some of you have asked why haven't the state's attorney etc. gotten involved. Forget it, it isn't going to happen. Not for something like this that happened 50-100 years ago. Not only that, but if the books do still survive, and I do not know at this point if they even do, but I think that is a big if, but if they do, talk such as this will only lessen the chance that they will ever be recovered, especially if someone who may know about them sees it. My feeling is that if these books do still survive, there is probably a good chance that whoever has them may not even know they do. I have seen to many times where someone has found something in an old house that they didn't know was there when they moved in. My opinion is that the best approach to their possible eventual recovery is the low key approach, quiet discussion between individuals about the fact that they are missing and how great it would be to be able to eventually recover them if they survive. Another approach might be a newspaper article to let people know the books are missing (and not in a way which accuses anyone of anything) and to keep an eye out for them and give someone as a contact in case anyone happens to locate them so they could be safely returned. The key is that you don't want anyone to feel threatened in any way with any kind of punishment for having the books in their possession, especially since, assuming they were taken at some point, th! ose involved are probably no longer living. The goal should be simply the recovery and return of the books if they survive, and that is all. As for the message that was posted on the message board, Max is correct, it has been removed. It was both inflamatory and accusatory and was way over the top. These types of messages have no place on the message board and will be removed when/if they are posted there. Further, as a warning, anyone intending to post these types of messages to the mailing list in the future, realize that you may subject yourself to being suspended or removed from the mailing list. I will not permit attacks of this nature to occur on my message board or mailing list. Mike

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3783.1.1 Message Board Post: linda, george and jacob francisco did have a sister named sarah, but i don't believe she would have been your ancestor. the sarah i have listed married a david robinson. the line of descent for my franciscos is (going back) bryant, lewis, george, ludwig, christophel. do you have more information on your sarah? good luck,

Everyone, I guess it's time for me to finally chime in on this matter. Seems like we have this topic come up every now and then. First someone brings it up, and then there is this big discussion about who did what and what to do about it, which in the end leads to nowhere. First a little background. As Tom & Wayne said, there apparently was a courthouse fire in 1872. I haven't checked primary records to confirm this, but secondary sources seem to indicate that the courthouse was destroyed by fire. However, if in fact there was a fire that destroyed the courthouse, lets look at what records were destroyed and what were not. The only records that are missing are the first will book which covers the years 1786-1803 and the first marriage book which covers the years 1786-1853. All the other will books after 1803, the other marriage books, deed books, law order books etc., up though 1872 are all still present. My belief is that surely all the records would have been kept in the same place and that if the courhouse had been destroyed with records in it, that all the records would have been destroyed, not just the first marriage & will books. Therefore my assumption and belief is that either the courthouse wasn't completely destroyed or the re! cords were not being kept and the courthouse at the time it was. In either case, I do not believe the first marriage & will books were destroyed by fire. Assuming that the books were not destroyed only leaves one other option, that they were removed at some point. If this is so, the only relevant questions at this point are, do they still survive and if so, where are they and how can they be returned. It does not matter at this point who took them, for what reason, or what they have done with them if they do still survive. The reason I say this is because I have personally discussed this matter with several people in RCV, some of these persons much older than I. From my conversations I can say that I believe that the books have been missing at least 50 years, maybe as much as 100 years. No one that I have spoken with knows exactly when they turned up missing and none knows where they are for sure, though some have stated that they knew someone who claims to have seen them. Some have theories about about who and why, as do I. But I will not discuss these theories on a public forum at this point. Anyway, as you can see,! the records have apparently been missing for a very, very long time. Some of you have asked why haven't the state's attorney etc. gotten involved. Forget it, it isn't going to happen. Not for something like this that happened 50-100 years ago. Not only that, but if the books do still survive, and I do not know at this point if they even do, but I think that is a big if, but if they do, talk such as this will only lessen the chance that they will ever be recovered, especially if someone who may know about them sees it. My feeling is that if these books do still survive, there is probably a good chance that whoever has them may not even know they do. I have seen to many times where someone has found something in an old house that they didn't know was there when they moved in. My opinion is that the best approach to their possible eventual recovery is the low key approach, quiet discussion between individuals about the fact that they are missing and how great it would be to be able to eventually recover them if they survive. As for the message that was posted on the message board, Max is correct, it has been removed. It was both inflamatory and accusatory and was way over the top. These types of messages have no place on the message board and will be removed when/if they are posted there. Further, as a warning, anyone intending to post these types of messages to the mailing list in the future, realize that you may subject yourself to being suspended or removed from the mailing list. I will not permit attacks of this nature to occur on my message board or mailing list. Mike

Agree which is all more reason why the claims/counter-claims should be examined as time and resources permit (granted an alleged crime that happened over a hundred years ago is not top priority) and if possible conclusions drawn based on available evidence. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Ervin" <maxervin@prodigy.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RESEARCHING BEFORE 1850! > > I went to the Rootsweb message board to respond to the original message on this subject by cac@ntelos.net, only to find that the message had been deleted, and I suspect for good reason. A sensible discussion of a topic is one thing, but when families are slandered by naming names based on nothing more than wild imagination, and certainly not on facts, it goes over the top. And yes, the old Russell courthouse did burn in 1872, but I was not around to witness what records were destroyed, and neither was cac@ntelos.net. > cac@ntelos.net wrote:This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3785 > > Message Board Post: > > I Know many of you have seen my posts on this subject before but I can't stress it's importance enough. > > I'm doing this to sound mean, negative, or slanderous against certain people I'm just stating what many in fact believe to be the truth. I have often been scoffed for being a truth teller. lol > > I have been doing genealogy for about 12 years now and I've come to about 3 or 4 brick walls that I can't blast through, climb over , etc. > > About 100 years ago, the first marriage book of Russell County VA, was stolen from the courthouse records room. Along with the first Will Book. > > This marriage book covers the years (1786-1852). There are 65 years worth of priceless history that has been lost to this county because of greed of a single person (and/or) group. > > There was a cover story started that a fire consumed the book which was an outright lie and propostrous because there are no records of a fire and only "certain" records turned up missing. > > A fire doesn't pick and chose what it destroys. Many people within politics of yesterday and today have tried to make excuses and pass it off but I know what happened. > > A clerk or someone that was friendly with an EXTREMELY influential and wealthy Russell County family had these taken out to avoid public embarrassment of what some records held. > > Now some have hinted to the Stuart Dynasty but I can't be for certain. > > By the early 1900s. the Dickensons weren't what they used to be and I really don't know what family would have had such total and absolute control over the county in the late 1800s and early 1900s besides the Stuarts. > > I don't know the details but I do know that there is concrete belief that the marriage book and first Will book (1786-1803) is still in the family mansion of whatever family had this done. > > I'm not saying either way who I think it is because actually I have not the foggiest but I know one thing is for certain. > > With the prominence of the Stuart family at one time they would have DEFINITELY known the whereabouts of those books. And more specificly who perpetrated the crime. > > Problem is, Russell County is still so tight lipped and politics driven that these old secret mysteries of the elders of the county are being protected for some stupid reason. > > I see it as a major devastating blow to anyone trying to research their early Russell County heritage. > > If a normal person would have stolen this stuff it would have definitely meant prison time. BUT we are talking about people for which man's law does not apply, the super elite. > > Many could speculate or theorize as to what would be in the records that a high ranking publich official wouldn't want the rest of the peasants to see, but one this is for certain and that is that there are more people at the bottom than there are at the top. > > Now it's completely possible that by now the books could be rotted beyond repair to the point to where they're just old trash. But for some reason I don't tend think that. > > I've always had a pretty good keen sense for what this county is like and I've never been wrong yet. I wish that if anyone that had any descency in them whatsoever that really knew where they still are to give em back to the public. > > Until this silly ridiculous game of "see what I can do because my granddaddy owned the county...blah blah" we can never get past those stumbling blocks. > > Maybe one day the evil that had this done will cease and the records that really belog to to the public will back where they belong. > > If I offended anyone in high places within the county then I'm sure if you go to church and repent you'll be forgiven for taking up for these criminals that carried out the single worst terrorist attack against Russell County genealogy since the foundation of our region. > > Just an observation from a concerned Russell Co. genealogist > > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and > nothing else. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3767.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Michael & Peter Grigger were in Doak's militia in 1774, Peter Griger is named on the Point Pleasant monument. In 1779 Michael Grigger was in Montgomery Co VA. Any chance these are part of your clan? Karen T, Charlottesville VA

Max, a right-on post to say the least. You said what I had planned to post. w

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Creger, Creager, Krieger, Kreger, Crigger, Criger, Cregor Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3767.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the note. I really have no idea. Hans Michael Krieger came up in my search at geneology.com, but I have no proof that he is really in my lineage. We cannot find any information on Joseph Henry Creger's father, whomever he may be. Nor do I have any information on any brothers or sisters, if JHC had any. Is Joseph Henry Creger familiar to you? I think he was born at Rural Retreat in Wythe County around 1825. We know he married Mary Caroline Powers in the 1860s and after the Civil War they lived in Fayette County, West Virginia (about 8 miles from where I now live, in fact). They had nine children: Elizabeth Clementine, Crockett, John B, Mary (Mollie), Martha, Joseph Henry, Anjaline (Ina), George B. and Richard. Would love to know if any of this links to anything you have. Thanks!

I went to the Rootsweb message board to respond to the original message on this subject by cac@ntelos.net, only to find that the message had been deleted, and I suspect for good reason. A sensible discussion of a topic is one thing, but when families are slandered by naming names based on nothing more than wild imagination, and certainly not on facts, it goes over the top. And yes, the old Russell courthouse did burn in 1872, but I was not around to witness what records were destroyed, and neither was cac@ntelos.net. cac@ntelos.net wrote:This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3785 Message Board Post: I Know many of you have seen my posts on this subject before but I can't stress it's importance enough. I'm doing this to sound mean, negative, or slanderous against certain people I'm just stating what many in fact believe to be the truth. I have often been scoffed for being a truth teller. lol I have been doing genealogy for about 12 years now and I've come to about 3 or 4 brick walls that I can't blast through, climb over , etc. About 100 years ago, the first marriage book of Russell County VA, was stolen from the courthouse records room. Along with the first Will Book. This marriage book covers the years (1786-1852). There are 65 years worth of priceless history that has been lost to this county because of greed of a single person (and/or) group. There was a cover story started that a fire consumed the book which was an outright lie and propostrous because there are no records of a fire and only "certain" records turned up missing. A fire doesn't pick and chose what it destroys. Many people within politics of yesterday and today have tried to make excuses and pass it off but I know what happened. A clerk or someone that was friendly with an EXTREMELY influential and wealthy Russell County family had these taken out to avoid public embarrassment of what some records held. Now some have hinted to the Stuart Dynasty but I can't be for certain. By the early 1900s. the Dickensons weren't what they used to be and I really don't know what family would have had such total and absolute control over the county in the late 1800s and early 1900s besides the Stuarts. I don't know the details but I do know that there is concrete belief that the marriage book and first Will book (1786-1803) is still in the family mansion of whatever family had this done. I'm not saying either way who I think it is because actually I have not the foggiest but I know one thing is for certain. With the prominence of the Stuart family at one time they would have DEFINITELY known the whereabouts of those books. And more specificly who perpetrated the crime. Problem is, Russell County is still so tight lipped and politics driven that these old secret mysteries of the elders of the county are being protected for some stupid reason. I see it as a major devastating blow to anyone trying to research their early Russell County heritage. If a normal person would have stolen this stuff it would have definitely meant prison time. BUT we are talking about people for which man's law does not apply, the super elite. Many could speculate or theorize as to what would be in the records that a high ranking publich official wouldn't want the rest of the peasants to see, but one this is for certain and that is that there are more people at the bottom than there are at the top. Now it's completely possible that by now the books could be rotted beyond repair to the point to where they're just old trash. But for some reason I don't tend think that. I've always had a pretty good keen sense for what this county is like and I've never been wrong yet. I wish that if anyone that had any descency in them whatsoever that really knew where they still are to give em back to the public. Until this silly ridiculous game of "see what I can do because my granddaddy owned the county...blah blah" we can never get past those stumbling blocks. Maybe one day the evil that had this done will cease and the records that really belog to to the public will back where they belong. If I offended anyone in high places within the county then I'm sure if you go to church and repent you'll be forgiven for taking up for these criminals that carried out the single worst terrorist attack against Russell County genealogy since the foundation of our region. Just an observation from a concerned Russell Co. genealogist ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish to have unsubscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing else. If you are subscribed to the digest mode rather then the list mode send this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3767.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Charles, Do your Cregers descend from any of the Frederick, MD clans? My GGGGGG Grandfather was Hans Michael Krieger whose son Michael Creager, Jr. left Frederick with his wife & family & headed towards Smyth Cty., VA. He is buried somewhere in Marion. Linda (Kelly) Atwell

Corrrection; The Russell Co. Courthouse burned in 1872 (not 1782) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <sgaborik@cox.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RESEARCHING BEFORE 1850! > Wonder why over the years someone hasn't gotten the Commonwealth's > Attorney > of Russell County involved in this. Is it too late? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RBurdue99@aol.com> > To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RESEARCHING BEFORE 1850! > > >> For what it is worth, I was told that the missing books were taken by a >> clerk when the new courthouse was built. >> >> Does the state of VA, maybe Richmond in state archives have those copies > of >> records missing? Not sure, but didn't the state have "Master" cospies of >> vital records. Correct me if I am wrong. >> >> My ancestors fall into those years as well. Having lived in Lebanon. >> Would >> love to see those records too. For someone to hold back something for so > many >> years ago, is sad. Maybe some illicit affair to shame them, but why >> hold >> back for centuries, come on folks, share it with the peasant of us out > there. >> >> >> ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== >> Messages of an inflamatory or abusive manner will not be tolerated >> on the mailing list. Messages of this type are to be sent in private >> either to the person they are directed toward or the list owner. >> Complaints should also be sent to the list owner. Violators of this >> rule are subject to suspension from the mailing list. >> > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have subscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the > word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing > else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then the list mode send > this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

Russell County Heritage Book Vol. I Page 42, states that the Russell Co. Courthouse was destroyed by fire on Feburary 14, 1782 . While the next Courthouse was being constructed , courts were held in the Methodist Church. Is this not true. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <sgaborik@cox.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RESEARCHING BEFORE 1850! > Wonder why over the years someone hasn't gotten the Commonwealth's > Attorney > of Russell County involved in this. Is it too late? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RBurdue99@aol.com> > To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [VARUSSEL] THIS IS FOR EVERYONE RESEARCHING BEFORE 1850! > > >> For what it is worth, I was told that the missing books were taken by a >> clerk when the new courthouse was built. >> >> Does the state of VA, maybe Richmond in state archives have those copies > of >> records missing? Not sure, but didn't the state have "Master" cospies of >> vital records. Correct me if I am wrong. >> >> My ancestors fall into those years as well. Having lived in Lebanon. >> Would >> love to see those records too. For someone to hold back something for so > many >> years ago, is sad. Maybe some illicit affair to shame them, but why >> hold >> back for centuries, come on folks, share it with the peasant of us out > there. >> >> >> ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== >> Messages of an inflamatory or abusive manner will not be tolerated >> on the mailing list. Messages of this type are to be sent in private >> either to the person they are directed toward or the list owner. >> Complaints should also be sent to the list owner. Violators of this >> rule are subject to suspension from the mailing list. >> > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have subscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the > word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing > else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then the list mode send > this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >