For those of you interested in Native American Heritage, here is a good article that discusses the topic along with some physical characteristics of people with Native ancestry that might not even know it. Click link below. For example, "Shovel Teeth" is a documented characteristic only found in some persons who are Native Americans. The article explains it. If you exhibit one or more of the physical characteristics described, maybe it will inspire you to look further for real proof. In any case, the article is a good discussion on the subject of "Hidden Native Ancestry and Genealogy". It also offers references and sources so you can dig deeper if you are seriously searching. http://members.tripod.com/~imblackeagle/looks1.htm Randy Crouse McNew Huntsville, AL

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3852 Message Board Post: Reunion of descendents of James Alexander Lindsey (b 1850 Johnson Co. TN – d 1935 Kingfisher OK) will be held June 12-19, 2005. We invite any interested people, related or not, to three special events planned that week. Storytelling by Ole Jonah at the Breckenridge cabin near the Abingdon VA library at 2:30 on Monday June 13. Storytelling and music with G. Lee Hearl at Damascus VA picnic grounds near the caboose 12:00 noon on Tuesday June 14, and canoeing on the New River into Glen Lyn, Giles Co. VA followed by a BarBQ and old time mountain music and parking lot pickin’ with Giles Mountain String Band. The potluck BarBQ is at 4:00 pm at the Glen Lyn Park on Friday June 17. For information contact “Soupbean” Katie Angermeyer at dolfit@dccnet.com or 604-885-2969. The Russell Co. connection to is through Thomas Johnson (b. abt1757 MD – d.1835 Carter/ Johnson Co. TN). He was an early pioneer in Lebanon, Castlewood, Elk Garden. His son Thomas H. Johnson married Elizabeth Lindsey of Washington Co., and their daughter Barbara Johnson married her first cousin David Lindsey. Our great grandfather is Barbara and David's son, James Alexander Lindsey born in Johnson County TN. I believe there are descendents of the elder Thomas Johnson or his brother Benjamin Johnson still living in Russell County. A James G. Johnson had written papers on this family history in 1947, and mentioned he still owned land at Elk Garden, and his brother Odgen Johnson lived in Lebanon. Would dearly love to connect with descendents of this family.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3851.1 Message Board Post: The e-mail address should have been emoryhsykes@chartertn.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3851 Message Board Post: The 1945 Honaker High School Class needs help in finding classmates for their 60th class reunion. The reunion committee of the Honaker High School class of 1945 is seeking information on all class members: Margie Ball Lora Gay Ball Helen Belcher Delcie Boyd Betty Call Venell Call Louise Combs Gladys Crouse Henrietta Davis Anna Dye Avalene Dye Dallas Dye Marie Elswick J. C. Franks Dorothy Fuller Rush Gent Jo Ann Hart Cleo Hawkins Ratsy Jean Hillman Charlie Honaker Lois Honaker Mary Jessee Henry S. Johnson, Jr. Madelene Lockhart Sadie Lowe Margaret Martin Treva Miller Banna Miller Idanan Miller Victoria Miller Clara Nell Owens Ralph Reedy Andrew Robinson Betty Lois Sample Lawrence Slate Harriet Ann Snyder Dallas Starnes Russell Starnes Venna Steele Ralph Steele Leon Street Roy Sword Emory Howard Sykes Helen Taylor Juanita Vance Ruth Agnes Waddell Betty Lou Watson Ella Bee Welch Estle Wells C. A. Whited Betty Jane Wright Robert Burns Wysor Sadly at least 15 of the classmates are deceased, but the reunion committee wishes to honor them and invite their spouses to the event, whose date will be in September. Anyone with information on any of these individuals is asked to contact Emory Howard Sykes, 568 Valley Drive, Blountville, TN 37617 or telephone at 423-323-7620 or emorysykes@chartertn.net or Lawrence Slate at 276-873-5012 or 276-873-6608. For years Juanita Vance Miller was the driving force and main source of information for the reunions held by Honaker High School’s class of 1945. Unfortunately, Juanita passed away since the last reunion and others have been asked to stand in her place to organize the 60th reunion. All the records of addresses and phone numbers of classmates have fallen by the wayside and recovery is a long, tedious process. Any help will be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: TAYLOR - SMITH - HUGHES - SPRINKLE - HARDIN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3 Message Board Post: Just because someone is not on the rolls does not mean there is not some basis for Native American heritage. DNA mitrochondrial ancestry might clear some of this up in the future. If your ancestors were settlers on the edge of the frontiers in the 1700's and early 1800's and had mixed in with the local tribes, it could be far back enough that there would be no chance of documentation. Reading early history from this time, there was a lot of confrontation and violence back and forth between the settler's and the Indians. Often prisoners of the Indians, adults and childern were "adopted" into an Indian family. This happened to Daniel Boone. Many of the children, if they were held for years, married into the tribe and were reclaimed by their settler families later. I'm sure these stories survived. My families hail from Smyth, Russell, Washington counties, also North Carolina & Kentucky. My Taylor grandmother was also according to family lore, of part Indian ancestry. Her ancestors I have traced back to North Carolina in the late 1700's. Curiously enough I have a photo of her wearing a cloth headband. Never seen this on photos of any of my other ancestors. But I can't find those connections, much less prove it, as paperwork from that time is scare, and no one could write anyway. But other family "myths" or stories have panned out in the past, so I don't discount my great grandmother's purported heritage. Donna

The 1945 Honaker High School Class needs help in finding classmates for their 60th class reunion. The reunion committee of the Honaker High School class of 1945 is seeking information on all class members: Margie Ball Lora Gay Ball Helen Belcher Delcie Boyd Betty Call Venell Call Louise Combs Gladys Crouse Henrietta Davis Anna Dye Avalene Dye Dallas Dye Marie Elswick J. C. Franks Dorothy Fuller Rush Gent Jo Ann Hart Cleo Hawkins Ratsy Jean Hillman Charlie Honaker Lois Honaker Mary Jessee Henry S. Johnson, Jr. Madelene Lockhart Sadie Lowe Margaret Martin Treva Miller Banna Miller Idanan Miller Victoria Miller Clara Nell Owens Ralph Reedy Andrew Robinson Betty Lois Sample Lawrence Slate Harriet Ann Snyder Dallas Starnes Russell Starnes Venna Steele Ralph Steele Leon Street Roy Sword Emory Howard Sykes Helen Taylor Juanita Vance Ruth Agnes Waddell Betty Lou Watson Ella Bee Welch Estle Wells C. A. Whited Betty Jane Wright Robert Burns Wysor Sadly at least 15 of the classmates are deceased, but the reunion committee wishes to honor them and invite their spouses to the event, whose date will be in September. Anyone with information on any of these individuals is asked to contact Emory Howard Sykes, 568 Valley Drive, Blountville, TN 37617 or telephone at 423-323-7620 or emorysykes@chartertn.net or Lawrence Slate at 276-873-5012 or 276-873-6608. For years Juanita Vance Miller was the driving force and main source of information for the reunions held by Honaker High School's class of 1945. Unfortunately, Juanita passed away since the last reunion and others have been asked to stand in her place to organize the 60th reunion. All the records of addresses and phone numbers of classmates have fallen by the wayside and recovery is a long, tedious process. Any help will be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Good luck in your search. Success is a journey, not a destination.

Hi, There is a DNA test by Family Tree DNA that shows ones Personal Anthropology titled DNA Print that includes Natiave American. Here is an example. There is a user manual to help interpert the results. Ancestry Estimate European 94% Sub-Sharan African 4% Native American 2% East Asian 0% Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: <emitchco@yahoo.com> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Re: America M. Grayson, Cherokee Heritage > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.2 > > Message Board Post: > > I have no documented proof that she was Cherokee, or any other Native > American. While talking with some of my older relatives some years back, > they indicated that she was believed to be Cherokee. There is no > indication on any of the records I have seen that she was Cherokee. > Recently, I have heard from other family members in different parts of the > country, who have also heard that she was Native American. I do not see > her name on any of the Cherokee rolls, but that would not be surprising, > if she was adopted and raised by the Payne family, as is suspected. > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have subscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the > word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing > else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then the list mode send > this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3850 Message Board Post: Searching for any information that is available on William Breedlove who was born abt. 1864 in Russell County, Va. I believe that his parents may have been James Madison Sr. and Elizabeth Dye Breedlove. Thanks, Leon.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.2 Message Board Post: I have no documented proof that she was Cherokee, or any other Native American. While talking with some of my older relatives some years back, they indicated that she was believed to be Cherokee. There is no indication on any of the records I have seen that she was Cherokee. Recently, I have heard from other family members in different parts of the country, who have also heard that she was Native American. I do not see her name on any of the Cherokee rolls, but that would not be surprising, if she was adopted and raised by the Payne family, as is suspected.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.2 Message Board Post: Mitch, look at this query string - http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Melungeon/2001-03/0984845650 Good luck in your search. Remember though to get at the truth, which is what you want, ignore the anecdotal stuff. In this string they said they saw an old photo of America Grayson and she had very dark skin. Well, in black and white photos, many people have dark skin. Be ready to accept the possibility that you may have black people in your ancestry. That is much more likely than Indian. Quite often Mulattos would try to pass themselves as Indians since Indians made poor slaves and were free to travel. Some people have trouble dealing with black ancestry and invent groups like Melungeons to offer a more dramatic and exotic explanation for their ancestors.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1.1 Message Board Post: True. However the trouble with Melungeon ancestry is that the group is ill-defined and in many places not recognizable by physical appearance, name or otherwise. There is some question in my mind if there really is such a thing as a Melungeon. The group seems to have been invented back in the 1950's. Sorry to be negative but I have looked at the all the websites popping up and I am just not convinced it is a real ethnic group. Anecdotal evidence is the enemy of real research.

List This writer is correct, with the surname of Hicks you will find that name with chiefs of the Cherokee people of Tenn. and NC and even Fla. the reason being was that in the early days of Va. 1628 or so a Rev Hicks and Evans was sent out to make peace and convert the native people. And as they were converted they took the surname of "Hicks" or "Evans". The Hicks clan of Russell Co in Va I have traced back to John Hicks of Cumberland Co in Va. in 1702 and he was not Indian or was his wife. William Hicks came to Jamestown in 1611 from England and he was the for father of Robert Hicks who had a son John Hicks but I have not connected them as the same. We must respect the all Native people most of all. Thanks David Hicks PS David Hicks was recorded in Surry England in 0192 AD as a ward of the Church,, do not think I will get back to there HEHE. ----- Original Message ----- From: <kitagista@adelphia.net> To: <VARUSSEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: [VARUSSEL] Re: America M. Grayson, Cherokee Heritage > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Most everyone from that part of the country claim some Cherokee heritage, > based on the most anecdotal of evidence, mostly without merit. What reason > do you have to think she was Cherokee? Her name certainly is not Cherokee. > Russell County was not Cherokee Country, especially not in the 1850's. The > Cherokee were removed to OK from TN, NC and GA in the late 1830's. If she > was alive in 1890 she would be on the rolls at: > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php > > Good luck in your search. Everbody wants to be Indian. > > > ==== VARUSSEL Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to the list send an email from the email address you wish > to have subscribed to: VARUSSEL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the > word "subscribe" (without quotes) in the body of the message and nothing > else. To subscribe in the digest mode rather then the list mode send > this message to VARUSSEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mattingly-Matney in Russell Co Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1 Message Board Post: Consider Melungeon ancestry also. Do an internet search, there is a great deal of information about Melungeon ancestry. They are an interesting mix of people, some Native, some Portuguese, perhaps Jewish, some African. I have a couple of family lines that may be Melungeon, but not from Russell Co., proper.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1 Message Board Post: Most everyone from that part of the country claim some Cherokee heritage, based on the most anecdotal of evidence, mostly without merit. What reason do you have to think she was Cherokee? Her name certainly is not Cherokee. Russell County was not Cherokee Country, especially not in the 1850's. The Cherokee were removed to OK from TN, NC and GA in the late 1830's. If she was alive in 1890 she would be on the rolls at: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php Good luck in your search. Everbody wants to be Indian.

The Russell County Genealogy Group will be meeting at 5:30 pm on Thursday, June 2nd at the Russell County Library. We will be finalizing the plans for History Day. Everyone is encouraged to attend and participate. The Group’s purpose is “to learn, to share and to perpetuate family history.” All those with these same interests are invited to attend. For more information contact Sunset Salyers at 889-0437 or sunset@mounet.com.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: JONES, HOLMES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3849 Message Board Post: WHO WAS MARTHA JONES PARENTS? WHERE WAS YOUR MARTHA FROM? WHO WERE HER SIBLINGS? MY GR GRANDMOTHER VERNETTIE JONES HAD A SISTER, MARTHA, AND MARY. THEY WERE TWINS.

Just a reminder to Kiser-Sutherland-LaForce-researchers the Carbo, Virginia annual reunion will be held Saturday 17 September, 2005 at the Community Center in Cleveland Virginia. Bring a covered dish and enjoy good company and renew old acquaintances and meet new ones. Times are 10am until late afternoon.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Grayson, Payne Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848 Message Board Post: Trying to solve the mystery of America M. Grayson, my gr-gr-gr grandmother. She is listed in the 1850 Russell County census as a 10 year old girl living in the household of Lewis B. Payne. Who are her parents? Why is she living with the Payne family? Where is she from? It is believed that she is Native American, most likely Cherokee. It is also believed that the Payne's adopted her and raised her. It appears she was born in North Carolina. She later married Thompson Cole and moved to Kentucky. Later in life, she is known as America Cole or America Payne. Could she be from Grayson County, perhaps? Any help would be much appreciated. Are there adoption records from the 1840s? Native American records from this area? Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/1735.1741.3 Message Board Post: I am a descendent of Aley or Alia Hubbard Miller, and Christian Miller. My father, Marlin Wells Miller, is son of George Washington Miller, grandson of Aley or Alia Miller. I would like to share information with you. Please reply if still interested as your original message is years old.