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Surnames: Monk; Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3855 Message Board Post: ..sfoster32@hotmail.com is one source for the Williams surname of Margaret, w/o Shadrack: Taylor Ancestors-Descendants Entries: 160649 Updated: 2005-03-15 10:51:03 UTC (Tue) Contact: Ida Foster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Index | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID: I056449 Name: Shadrack Peter MONK Sex: M Birth: 1 JUN 1785 Father: William Samuel MONK b: 3 MAY 1763 in Augusta County, VA Mother: Frances Desmonde LITTON b: 10 JUN 1765 in Fincastle, Augusta, Va Marriage 1 Margaret Anna WILLIAMS b: ABT 1786 = Another, quoting Canie Burns Litton (RIP) being alexlary@crosslink.net: Johnson/Gilbert Family File Entries: 12324 Updated: 2004-07-25 19:11:04 UTC (Sun) Contact: Larry R. Alexander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Index | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID: I00324 Name: Shadrack Peter MONK Sex: M Birth: 1 JUN 1785 1 Father: William Samuel* MONK b: 3 MAY 1763 Mother: Frances "Fanny" Desmonde* LITTON b: 10 JUN 1765 in VA Marriage 1 Margaret Anna WILLIAMS Sources: Title: Canie Burns Litton Author: canieb@aol.com Repository: Call Number: Media: Electronic =========== holly_Tamer@yahoo.com says: Thorns among the roses Entries: 29342 Updated: 2005-02-03 15:23:14 UTC (Thu) Contact: Holly Forrest Tamer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Index | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Add Post-em -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID: I4171 Name: Shadrack Peter Monk Sex: M Birth: 1 JUN 1785 Note: Note: 1787 RUSSELL COUNTY VIRGINIA PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX LIST,Upper District Note: Note: Monk, Shadrack 1 Note: Monk, William 1 Note: Monk, William 1 Note: Note: Note: RUSSELL COUNTY, VIRGINIA - 1820 U.S. CENSUS Note: Note: A - Males under 10 Note: B - Males 10 and under 16 Note: C - Males Between 16 and 18 Note: D - Males 16 and under 26 Note: E - Males 26 and under 45 Note: F - Males 45 and over Note: G - Females under 10 Note: H - Females 10 and under 16 Note: I - Females 16 and under 26 Note: J - Females 26 and under 45 Note: K - Females 45 and over Note: L - Foreigners Not Naturalized Note: M - People in Agriculture Note: N - People in Commerce Note: O - People in Manufacture Note: P - Males Slaves under 14 Note: Q - Male Slaves 14 and under 26 Note: R - Male Slaves 26 and under 45 Note: S - Male Slaves 45 and up Note: T - Female Slaves under 14 Note: U - Female Slaves 14 and under 26 Note: V - Female Slaves 26 and under 45 Note: W - Female Slaves 45 and up Note: X - Free Male Colored Persons under 14 Note: Y - Free Male Colored Persons 14 and under 26 Note: Z - Free Male Colored Persons 26 and under 45 Note: A1 - Free Male Colored Persons 45 and up Note: B1 - Free Female Colored Persons under 14 Note: C1 - Free Female Colored Persons 14 and under 26 Note: D1 - Free Female Colored Persons 26 and under 45 Note: E1 - Free Female Colored Persons 45 and up Note: F1 - All Other Persons Except Indians Not Taxed Note: Note: Munk, Shadrack 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Note: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Note: Note: Russell County, VA - 1830 Federal Census Note: Note: Monk William Note: Monk Charles H. Note: Monk Shadrack Note: Monk William Note: Monk John Change Date: 5 OCT 2003 Father: *William Samuel Monk b: 3 MAY 1763 in Augusta Co.Va. Mother: *Frances Desamonde (Fanny) Litton b: 10 JUN 1765 in Fincastle,Augusta,Va Marriage 1 Margaret Ann Williams ========== And finally shaze9933@aol.com: The Descendants of George Hayes & Sarah Dyer Entries: 15349 Updated: 2005-02-25 13:51:05 UTC (Fri) Contact: Susan C. Hayes Home Page: HAYES: The Descendants of George Hayes & Sarah Dyer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAYES & ALLIED FAMILIES ~ Family Heritage ~ Roots in VA, NC, TN, KY, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Add Post-em -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID: I07950 Name: Shadrack Peter MONK Sex: M Birth: 1 JUN 1785 Death: UNKNOWN Father: William S. MONK , Sr. b: 3 MAY 1763 in Augusta County, VA Mother: Francis "Fanny" Desmonde LITTON Marriage 1 Margaret Ann WILLIAMS Marriage 2 Mary Ellen ROBERTS Children Rhoda MONK b: Private Ezekiel MONK ========== Perhaps one or more of these might have a more concrete documentation of the the surname of Margaret. Jack Hockett, Collegeville, PA.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3854 Message Board Post: I'm looking for anyone who has extensive knowledge of the history of Thompson Creek. My 4th great grandfather owned 365 acres on Thompson Creek at one time and sold it off in chunks. . One big chunk was sold to Joseph Yates & Mary Lester. Joseph Yates died in 1854 and Mary Lester remarried to a John Huffman. I believe my grandfather is buried on his property somewhere and I was just curious as to where it actually might be on Thompson Creek. One clue I have is that one 65 acre tract that my grandfather owned was adjacent to McKinney Branch. That's where my grandfather's son Jeremiah Compton Jr. was living in 1850. He then sold his part in 1851 to Dave Snyder. That's about all I know.

Hi All, You all have my sympathies !! :>)) However, there is some hope. I am the unofficial "Tracer of Lost Classmates" for a 50th high school reunion to be held later this year. Out of about 125 graduates, there were about 50 "missings", of which I was able to find all but 4 !! But, be prepared to find some deceased classmates, especially since you all are about 10 years older than my classmates. Our class was, however, blessed with one classmate who had kept up an almost annual newsletter -- although a lot of classmates rarely or never responded. The combination of a bunch of past newsletters gave me a lot of clues such as kids names, husband's name, past residences, etc. And we "lost" a lot of classmates through the new 911 addressing scheme, where everyone had to have a street address and number, rather than a route and box number. They might still be where they always lived -- just a new street address. It was a tedious process, but here are some suggestions: 1. Switchboard.com, Netscape People Finder, etc. These were big help, but you have to be willing to make a lot of phone calls and deal with wrong numbers. (See links below.) 2. Kid's names -- obviously the boys. Look for them on switchboard.com, et al. If you can find the kids, then they should know about their parents. 3. College alumni associations. I received a reply from all the ones I queried, sometimes, however, with no current information. But at least they responded. 4. Employers -- in your case, I suspect "previous" employers !! They might still have them on their rolls as retirees. Probably a long shot for you all. 5. Previous residences. Go to Netscape Reverse People Finder with the address, and get a name and phone number for that address -- provided it is listed. Give that person a call and maybe they will be the right person, or might just know where they went or what has happened to them. This worked for me a couple of times. Explain up front why you are looking for them (i.e., you're not a bill collector, etc.), and most folks will probably help you if they can. 6. Known cousins or living relatives of your classmates. Try to find them on Switchboard.com or elsewhere. 7. Social Security Death Index -- go to http://www.rootsweb.com/ (as well as other places) and look for the SSDI link. Search by name and make your best guess. The SSDI has approximate birth dates, location where SS card was issued, last residence where benefits were sent, etc. You might find a few classmates here -- but unfortunately very deceased. ;<(( But at least you know. 8. The "girls" are tough !! You almost have to have some idea of the husband's name, if of course they were married. A long shot is to have someone go to the Russell County Court House and see if they can find a marriage record for the girls. If they were married in Russell County, that would give you the husband's name -- at least at that time. That changes sometimes, too, as you know. 9. You seem to have full names in most cases -- probably from your annual or graduation program. That is a big help, as you know the initials. Not much help for the "girls" however, unless they're currently using their unmarried names -- which can happen, too. 10. Query classmates that you can locate about where "missing" classmates might have lived at one time, where they might have had a vacation home, husband's or wife's name (your classmate might be widowed at this time), etc., etc. One has no idea what clue, however seemingly insignificant, might lead to finding one of your "missings". 11. Another very long shot -- try searching on "google.com". I found a son of a classmate this way that let to his mother, my classmate. 12. Get a network of you known classmates together and swap ideas, clues, anything !! 13. Here are some of the websites that I used: http://www.switchboard.com/ http://www.classmates.com/ (Unlikely you'll find much on your class here, but you might be surprised. Maybe look for known kids here, too, then try to find them on switchboard.com.) http://www.netscape.com/netcenter/whitepages.html?cp=hom05l7 http://www.netscape.com/netcenter/whitereverse.html http://www.WhitePages.com Good luck !!. It's a VERY tedious process, you have to be willing to make a lot of phone calls, leave a lot of messages, and PERSEVERE !! Keep a record of those you have called and those from whom you received a negative response -- so you don't call them again. (I kept pretty good records, but still managed to call some folks more than once !!) Let me know how you make out. I found over 90% of our "missings", so there IS hope !! And remember, some folks might not want to be found !! John Hale Williamsburg, VA In a message dated 5/26/2005 10:02:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcsykes@chartertn.net writes: The 1945 Honaker High School Class needs help in finding classmates for their 60th class reunion. The reunion committee of the Honaker High School class of 1945 is seeking information on all class members: Sadly at least 15 of the classmates are deceased, but the reunion committee wishes to honor them and invite their spouses to the event, whose date will be in September. Anyone with information on any of these individuals is asked to contact Emory Howard Sykes, 568 Valley Drive, Blountville, TN 37617 or telephone at 423-323-7620 or emorysykes@chartertn.net or Lawrence Slate at 276-873-5012 or 276-873-6608. For years Juanita Vance Miller was the driving force and main source of information for the reunions held by Honaker High School's class of 1945. Unfortunately, Juanita passed away since the last reunion and others have been asked to stand in her place to organize the 60th reunion. All the records of addresses and phone numbers of classmates have fallen by the wayside and recovery is a long, tedious process. Any help will be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Donna, I do not have any information about the possibility of America Grayson being Cherokee, but what interests me about your queries is the inclusion of Sprinkle as one of your surnames. My maiden name was Sprinkle and I collect information on all Sprinkle-Sprenkle-Sprankle families. There are many Sprinkles in VA. Which Sprinkle family are you researching? Margaret

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry, When I said "I happen to be white, I should have said "my skin happens to be white."

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I, for one, resent the remark "Melungeon is a nice way to say colored." I think it is VERY disrespectful for this message board. Melungeon is a word we use in SW VA to describe a "mixture" of ethnic origins for people. Your remark is taking away that mixture and giving us a single group, which is WRONG!! For the record, I happen to be white, but there is nothing wrong with being black, or "colored." We are who we are, and should be proud of it. If it were not for "family traditions" many of us would not have gotten anywhere in our research. I, too, have found most of mine to be true. Your attitude on this matter reminds me of the type of people who think there should be a document for everything and if there is not, then you want to rewrite the history to eliminate the "undocumented" portions. Maybe in years to come, DNA will the be answer to many of our questions. But as for now, it is frustrating to have people with your attitude trying to tell us whether or not our family traditions have merit. This board is for people to find help and encouragement. If you happen to disagree, you should say so in the right way. I have found the best way to break down those brick walls, is to keep and OPEN mind to all possibilities and someday you may find the proof you are looking for. True, you may never find it, but if you don't keep looking with an open mind, you certainly won't find anything.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: BTW - I am a descendant of John Sevier and his first wife.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I suggest you do a google search on "Virginia Mongrels". I did on the recommendation of another poster to this board. It is very enlightening. I have both both black and native American ancestry so I guess I am one of the "Virginia Mongrels" AKA melungeons. Go in peace. This is a tiring and sensitive subject. Melungeon is a nice way to say colored. All Mules are alike but none are related since they are sterile. Are they a subspecies or a group of individuals?Best of luck to you and yours.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Go in peace.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Monk, Litton, Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3853.1 Message Board Post: Donna, This would be Shadrack Peter Monk, b. 01 Jul 1785. He was the s/o William Monk, Sr. & Frances Litton. A transcription of William Monk's will can be found here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~varussel/probate/williammonk.html I have Margaret as possibly being Margaret Anna Williams but don't have a source for that.

Don't know if this is your Shadrack Monk, but thought it might be helpful.... Family Group Subject* Shadrack MONK Birth: __ ___ ____ Death: __ ___ ____ Burial: __ ___ ____ Father* Mother* __________________________________________________________________________ Marriage* __ ___ ____ [1],[2] __________________________________________________________________________ Spouse* Mary Ellen ROBERTS Name-Marr: MONK Birth* __ ___ 1768 Henry Co., VA.[3] Death* bef 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co., VA.[4] Burial: __ ___ ____ Father* Cornelius ROBERTS (b. circa 1746, d. after 03 Jun 1788) Mother* Mary Ellen BENTON (b. Jun 1750, d. circa 1849) __________________________________________________________________________ Eight Children __________________________________________________________________________ F Rhoda MONK Name-Marr: RIDDLE Birth* cir __ ___ 1784 Washington Co, VA.[5] Marriage* cir __ ___ 1801 Joseph RIDDLE[6],[7] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Joseph RIDDLE; TN.[8] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA.[9] Death* 1856-1860 Cumberland Co, KY.[10] Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ M John MONK Birth* cir __ ___ 1786 Russell Co, VA.[11] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Lee Co, VA.[12] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[13] Death* 1830-1840 Hawkins Co, TN; possibly.[14] Marriage* __ ___ ____ Nancy ROGERS[15] Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ F Biddy MONK Name-Marr: SMITH Birth* cir __ ___ 1789 Russell Co, VA.[16] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Lee Co, VA.[17] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[18] Marriage* __ ___ ____ Benjamin ? SMITH[19] Death: __ ___ ____ Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ F Elizabeth "Betsy" MONK Name-Marr: COLLEY Birth* cir __ ___ 1792 Russell Co, VA.[20] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Holt COLLEY; Lee Co, VA.[21] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[22] Marriage* __ ___ ____ Holt COLLEY[23] Death: __ ___ ____ Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ F Margaret "Peggy" MONK Name-Marr: GIBSON Birth* cir __ ___ 1794 Russell Co, VA.[24] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Lee Co, VA.[25] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[26] Death* 1860-1870 Clinton Co, KY.[27] Marriage* __ ___ ____ Jessee GIBSON[28] Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ M Ezekial MONK Birth* cir __ ___ 1795 Russell Co, VA.[29] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Lee Co, VA.[30] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[31] Death* 1860-1870 Cumberland Co, KY.[32] Marriage* __ ___ ____ Frances PERRYMAN[33] Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ F Polly MONK Birth* cir __ ___ 1799 Russell Co, VA.[34] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Lee Co, VA.[35] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[36] Marriage? __ ___ ____ Death: __ ___ ____ Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ F Amelia "Millie" MONK Birth* cir __ ___ 1802 Russell Co, VA.[37] Residence* __ ___ 1829 Lee Co, VA.[38] Deed* 05 Oct 1829 Russell Co, VA; to Joseph Kiser for 60 acres by the heirs of Cornelius Roberts.[39] Marriage? __ ___ ____ Death: __ ___ ____ Burial: __ ___ ____ __________________________________________________________________________ Endnotes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [1]Fannie Lane Steele and Ina Jean Dotson, The Crabtree-Stanley Collection, A Memorial (No place: no publisher, 1996), pg 601. Hereinafter cited as Crabtree-Stanley Collection. [2]Mary Kathryn Harris, online http:mkhgenealogy.com/index.html, Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, downloaded Feb 1, 2002. [3]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [4]Deed-Heirs of Cornelius Roberts to Joseph Kiser, Book 8, pg 234 , Russell County Courthouse, Russell Co., VA. Hereinafter cited as Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts. [5]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [6]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234: transcribed copy in file-gdf. [7]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [8]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [9]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [10]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [11]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [12]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [13]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [14]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [15]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [16]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [17]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [18]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [19]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [20]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [21]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [22]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [23]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [24]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [25]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [26]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [27]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [28]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [29]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [30]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [31]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [32]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [33]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [34]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [35]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [36]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [37]Mary Kathryn Harris Genealogy Web, Feb 1, 2002. [38]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234. [39]Deed-Heirs Cornelius Roberts, Book 8, pg 234.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Monk Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3853 Message Board Post: I think my husbands g-g-g grandfather was from Russell County. His name was Shadrack Monk. He came to Illinois before 1850. He came through Tennessee prior to coming to Illinois. They settled in Jersey County. He was married to Margaret ??, who was from North Carolina. There were 7 children that I can account for. George, being our ancestor, John, William, Mary, Sally, Frances, & Henry. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: TAYLOR - SMITH - HUGHES - SPRINKLE - HARDIN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3.2.1 Message Board Post: My point was not to nitpick with you about whether my great grandmother was Indian, Cherokee or any other particular tribe. But it has been passed down in the family that she was. and that if it has warranted as important enough to pass down, that it simply should be taken into consideration. Perhaps DNA will help families in this branch of search through the female lineage. It won't give anyone Native American tribal papers, but would give some weight to the stories. It sure has been interesting on a branch of the male side of my family. Oral history is an integral part of many cultures and certainly was for our early ancestors, many of whom could neither read nor write. My own experience, has the borne the following fruit: My family passed down information that my grandfather was married before and no one knew who she was. Because of this tale, I searched and did find her and documentation to prove it. Another grandfather was purported to have sired somewhere around twenty children, found him too and the two marriages, and the children that did not survive to back that up. Also a curious story about my gg grandfather's strange nickname led me to find (and confirm) a diary entry about him, that is in the confederate museum in Richmond that mentions him and his nickname. I've also seen mistakes in "hard' evidence about incorrect death dates on the social security index. So there you go. About photography, I am well aware about when photographs came into use. And there is no family story about my ggrandmother belonging to a motorcycle gang. No need on your part to be so condescending. Donnd

Yes, statements like "everyone wants to be an Indian" are examples of globalization and irrational thinking, i.e., are not specific and based on hard evidence. In other words, statements like this are functionally no more than a "put down". I always find it interesting when a person speaks of practicing careful, evidence based research on one hand, and on the other hand uses such global statements to describe others. I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt, however, as we all continue to learn and grow in our understanding. I don't think people who say such things are necessarily intending to be rude or disrespectful .... I would hazard a guess that they may be unfamiliar with mountain culture. These family stories do seem to be common in parts of Appalachia. My own grandfather told stories about Indian ancestors, and he was about as far away from "NewAge/UFO" culture as you can get. My grandfather was not the kind of man that I would show disrespect toward, either! Indian culture (I hesitate to say "Indian culture" as there were many varied culture groups) and Appalachian culture may have a few points in common that have been lost over the years in the larger culture: respect for your elders and a strong oral tradition. They both also seem to suffer from being stereotyped in negative ways by the main stream culture, too. Good luck in you search, Donna! Brenda ----- Original Message ----- >> > I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make Kitagista/Garry. Trying to pinpoint the stories related by relatives is an integral part of searching for ancestors, and I have found the search also to be quite a bit to be intuitive, and later proven with the found records. You could say the same of police work when a detective has a hunch. I really don't see the UFO/New Age connection. I'm sure most people (not all) searching in ancestry just want to know if the family lore is true or not. Just natural curiosity and I think your comment "everyone wants to be an Indian", is unfair and unnecessary. > > Donna

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CLASSMATES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3851.2 Message Board Post: Howard, do you belong to Classmates.com? If not I do and I would be willing to go there and leave a message for you. Let me know what I can do.to help. I help arrange my high school reunions. Regenia Campbell bobnregi@verizon.net

Hi Donna Are your Hardin (Harden ) from TN ? Ann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: TAYLOR - SMITH - HUGHES - SPRINKLE - HARDIN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make Kitagista/Garry. Trying to pinpoint the stories related by relatives is an integral part of searching for ancestors, and I have found the search also to be quite a bit to be intuitive, and later proven with the found records. You could say the same of police work when a detective has a hunch. I really don't see the UFO/New Age connection. I'm sure most people (not all) searching in ancestry just want to know if the family lore is true or not. Just natural curiosity and I think your comment "everyone wants to be an Indian", is unfair and unnecessary. Donna

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROBERSON, RITCHIE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: There is written documentation of the Melungeon people long before 1950. John Sevier of TN made mention of them. And, there is much more than anecdotal evidence to support their existence. Websites are not a good source for searching for evidence of Melungeon authenticity. There are, indeed, certain physical characteristics and surnames that are associated w/ Melungeon heritage. Check out the research of Dr. N. Brent Kennedy, and visit southwest VA and northeast TN where Melungeons still live, if you can. I descend from William Roberson and Delilah Ritchie of NC and TN who were Melungeon.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3.2 Message Board Post: And by the way Donna, photography was not generally available until the late 1850's and that was mostly daguerrotypes. Paper prints were not common till around 1875.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ABC.2ACE/3848.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Donna, I can't and would not dispute anything in your message. You said essentially what I said - the evidence is anecdotal. It does not prove or misprove anything. The rolls were later, in the 1890's, and mostly in OK. Not being on the rolls does not prove that someone is not of Indian descent but being there is generally accepted evidence that someone is. I guess I am too much of a scientist and like real proof. In human affairs that doesn't often come off well. In the 1970's I helped a large University study UFO's. Fascinating topic. Its not the same but all that evidence was anecdotal too. Fuzzy questionable photos, wild stories and very convinced people. I have yet to meet an alien but some of those we talked to are genuinely convinced they were abducted. Myth sometimes becomes reality. My fear is of rewriting history after the fact. That is not, at least in my opinion, good. In my opinion we defeat the purpose of genealogy if we are not very careful in our research. I ! also fear that many, especially the New Age crowd, are trying to hijack Native American culture for their own use. By the way, I am part Cherokee documented. I have never seen anyone I kow wear a headband other than the bikers in the crowd. Cherokees in the 1700's generally wore what looked like a turban. Good luck in your search. Have a great time doing it. In this hobby success is the journey, not the destination (the grave).