Paul - you are so right! That's why I suggested the newspapers. If they have an archives, you can spend a day or so going through old papers that can provide not only the information surroundign his death but generally family information in the obituary! If the funeral home is still operating they may have information too. Of course these are not original sources but they can certainly give you hints of other places to look. Since he said he could not find anything, I assumed (ok ok, maybe not a great idea) that the state records had already been checked. My great grandmother managed to pass on to the hereafter during that 'black hole' period fo time when Va did not require records. But I found her obituary in the newspaper and from that I found where she was buried - which had been a family mystery. For some reason she was not buried in the churchyard where the rest of the family is buried. I went to the church where she is and went through their records - made a donation for the perpetual care of her grave - got 2 ham biscuits, some potato salad and a great glass of tea from some ladies who were fixing lunch for the next day! Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA Date: 1/4/2004 10:06:35 PM Eastern Standard Time From: pauldrake@charter.net Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, like politics, is LOCAL. Dead ends are most often solved in the records and materials to be found in the counties where the ancestor lived through life. So, where, where, where is your avenue to leads. Start with the county websites of that ancestor and see what they have provided there, spend the $10-$12 to join the little genealogical society at that place, pose queries, and gain their help, all the while exhausting your other sources. Those people, of all other strangers, are most likely to have info about your family. To do otherwise and set yourself adrift in the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is akin to taking a shot at the woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. ----- Original Message ----- From: Erin T. Crowe To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA Bev, I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl have responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on the Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means many more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. Thank you so much for taking the time, Erin T. Crowe > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been fairly > prominent. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Dear Listers, > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there > often. > Thank you kindly, > Erin T. Crowe > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Boy!!! Did you luck out! --- Ms2001@aol.com wrote: > Paul - you are so right! That's why I > suggested the newspapers. If they > have an archives, you can spend a day or so > going through old papers that can > provide not only the information surroundign > his death but generally family > information in the obituary! If the funeral > home is still operating they may have > information too. Of course these are not > original sources but they can > certainly give you hints of other places to > look. Since he said he could not find > anything, I assumed (ok ok, maybe not a great > idea) that the state records had > already been checked. > > My great grandmother managed to pass on to the > hereafter during that 'black > hole' period fo time when Va did not require > records. But I found her obituary > in the newspaper and from that I found where > she was buried - which had been > a family mystery. For some reason she was not > buried in the churchyard where > the rest of the family is buried. I went to > the church where she is and went > through their records - made a donation for the > perpetual care of her grave - > got 2 ham biscuits, some potato salad and a > great glass of tea from some > ladies who were fixing lunch for the next day! > > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt > 1890 VA > Date: 1/4/2004 10:06:35 PM Eastern Standard > Time > From: pauldrake@charter.net > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, > like politics, is LOCAL. Dead > ends are most often solved in the records and > materials to be found in the > counties where the ancestor lived through life. > So, where, where, where is your > avenue to leads. Start with the county > websites of that ancestor and see > what they have provided there, spend the > $10-$12 to join the little genealogical > society at that place, pose queries, and gain > their help, all the while > exhausting your other sources. Those people, > of all other strangers, are most > likely to have info about your family. To do > otherwise and set yourself adrift in > the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is > akin to taking a shot at the > woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erin T. Crowe > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt > 1890 VA > > > Bev, > I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at > it again as so many ppl have > responded & found my great grandfather & my > great great grandfather on the > Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have > many more names which means many > more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. > Thank you so much for taking the time, > Erin T. Crowe > > > > Try the newspapers for that area. A story > like that should have been > fairly > > prominent. > > > > Bev > > > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt > 1890 VA > > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern > Standard Time > > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > My biggest brickwall is with my own last > name. LOL. Not a living > relative > > exists besides my father. So here is my > quandry. My great grandfather > was > > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first > name, maybe not) born in > Virginia abt > > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) > Joseph. He and Joseph moved to > Ohio > > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma > C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There > was a > > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers > racket for the Detroit mob & > that he > > got killed/commited suicide somewhere > around 1949. This is told to me by > my > > father, however, I cannot find a single > death for him, I have tried every > > variation of Harry & have even tried using > the name of Edward as a > possible first > > name. My father also doesn't know if he > really died at that time because > he > > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told > that he died and was found in > the > > house. The only place I can find him > existing, is on the census' for > 1920 > & 1930 > > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" > had two step ! > > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and > two biological children Ralph > > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find > information on Joseph, I have > his > death > > record, it shows his parents as being > Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though > on > > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham > County, VA w/Joseph but not > Harry. > > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census > as a picture, just as the names > that > > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is > not present on their name at > this > > time. I know they are from the same family > because of the page, roll, & > line > > numbers given for the individual. If any > of this sounds familiar to > anyone, I > > would greatly appreciate the help. My > father thinks they might have been > from > > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as > he did go to visit relatives > there > > often. > > Thank you kindly, > > Erin T. 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