Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, like politics, is LOCAL. Dead ends are most often solved in the records and materials to be found in the counties where the ancestor lived through life. So, where, where, where is your avenue to leads. Start with the county websites of that ancestor and see what they have provided there, spend the $10-$12 to join the little genealogical society at that place, pose queries, and gain their help, all the while exhausting your other sources. Those people, of all other strangers, are most likely to have info about your family. To do otherwise and set yourself adrift in the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is akin to taking a shot at the woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. ----- Original Message ----- From: Erin T. Crowe To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA Bev, I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl have responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on the Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means many more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. Thank you so much for taking the time, Erin T. Crowe > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been fairly > prominent. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Dear Listers, > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there > often. > Thank you kindly, > Erin T. Crowe > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

What a "fitting" name...Paul Drake<g> Good detective work there with good genealogy tips. I always, always start at the antiquated places where my ancestors first settled. I hope everyone has been reading your emails lately because there has been good research advice there. Keep up the good work, Paul. Ella Picking up twigs along the way.

Paul what sound advice & very true! Now can you help answer this question for me? I have some ancesters that were from Va. originally but never stayed there and moved south to Tennessee & elsewhere...now the question is since I have exhusted the counties and state to which they moved to and need to go back into Va. but can't due to the long distance & not knowing where to start with & not having alot of $$$$s what do you suggest since I have gotten NOWHERE from Va. county sites... My biggest brick wall is Albert Hurt b.1804 Va. was married in 1828 Tn....... Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <pauldrake@charter.net> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, like politics, is LOCAL. Dead ends are most often solved in the records and materials to be found in the counties where the ancestor lived through life. So, where, where, where is your avenue to leads. Start with the county websites of that ancestor and see what they have provided there, spend the $10-$12 to join the little genealogical society at that place, pose queries, and gain their help, all the while exhausting your other sources. Those people, of all other strangers, are most likely to have info about your family. To do otherwise and set yourself adrift in the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is akin to taking a shot at the woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erin T. Crowe > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > > Bev, > I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl have > responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on the > Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means many > more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. > Thank you so much for taking the time, > Erin T. Crowe > > > > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been > fairly > > prominent. > > > > Bev > > > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative > > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather > was > > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in > Virginia abt > > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to > Ohio > > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There > was a > > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & > that he > > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by > my > > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every > > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a > possible first > > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because > he > > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in > the > > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 > & 1930 > > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph > > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his > death > > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though > on > > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not > Harry. > > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names > that > > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this > > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & > line > > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to > anyone, I > > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been > from > > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives > there > > often. > > Thank you kindly, > > Erin T. Crowe > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Debra, I have the following in my data base. I am not related and have no further info. Hope this might help. Martha Patsy Hurt, born 1789 in Prince Edward Co., VA. Father John Hurt, mother Nellie McTaggert. Norma -----Original Message----- From: debra crowell [mailto:dcrowell@tvn.net] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:13 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA Paul what sound advice & very true! Now can you help answer this question for me? I have some ancesters that were from Va. originally but never stayed there and moved south to Tennessee & elsewhere...now the question is since I have exhusted the counties and state to which they moved to and need to go back into Va. but can't due to the long distance & not knowing where to start with & not having alot of $$$$s what do you suggest since I have gotten NOWHERE from Va. county sites... My biggest brick wall is Albert Hurt b.1804 Va. was married in 1828 Tn....... Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <pauldrake@charter.net> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, like politics, is LOCAL. Dead ends are most often solved in the records and materials to be found in the counties where the ancestor lived through life. So, where, where, where is your avenue to leads. Start with the county websites of that ancestor and see what they have provided there, spend the $10-$12 to join the little genealogical society at that place, pose queries, and gain their help, all the while exhausting your other sources. Those people, of all other strangers, are most likely to have info about your family. To do otherwise and set yourself adrift in the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is akin to taking a shot at the woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erin T. Crowe > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > > Bev, > I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl have > responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on the > Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means many > more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. > Thank you so much for taking the time, > Erin T. Crowe > > > > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been > fairly > > prominent. > > > > Bev > > > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative > > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather > was > > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in > Virginia abt > > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to > Ohio > > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There > was a > > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & > that he > > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by > my > > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every > > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a > possible first > > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because > he > > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in > the > > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 > & 1930 > > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph > > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his > death > > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though > on > > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not > Harry. > > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names > that > > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this > > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & > line > > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to > anyone, I > > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been > from > > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives > there > > often. > > Thank you kindly, > > Erin T. Crowe > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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D.C., Have you checked out Wm. Dollarhide's paperback book, "Map Guide to American Migration Routes 1735-1815?" (Published by Heritage Quest, 1997.) The only early route from VA. to TN. was through the Cumberland Gap. Many people, exhausted from the terrible trip, remained close to the route in TN. or KY. for a few years before moving on. So checking out the counties along the route for ancestors often produces results. The Gap route was used long after 1815, BTW. On my genealogy web page is a map showing the route from VA. through TN. to KY. Elizabeth My Baker Page: http://www.wiu.edu/users/mfeak/ debra crowell wrote: > Paul what sound advice & very true! Now can you help answer this question > for me? > I have some ancesters that were from Va. originally but never stayed there > and moved south to Tennessee & elsewhere...now the question is since I have > exhusted the counties and state to which they moved to and need to go back > into Va. but can't due to the long distance & not knowing where to start..... > with & > not having alot of $$$$s what do you suggest since I have gotten NOWHERE > from Va. county sites... > My biggest brick wall is Albert Hurt b.1804 Va. was married in 1828 > Tn....... > Debra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <pauldrake@charter.net> > To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > > Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, like politics, is LOCAL. > Dead ends are most often solved in the records and materials to be found in > the counties where the ancestor lived through life. So, where, where, where > is your avenue to leads. Start with the county websites of that ancestor > and see what they have provided there, spend the $10-$12 to join the little > genealogical society at that place, pose queries, and gain their help, all > the while exhausting your other sources. Those people, of all other > strangers, are most likely to have info about your family. To do otherwise > and set yourself adrift in the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is > akin to taking a shot at the woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Erin T. Crowe > > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > > > > > Bev, > > I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl > have > > responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on > the > > Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means > many > > more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. > > Thank you so much for taking the time, > > Erin T. Crowe > > > > > > > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been > > fairly > > > prominent. > > > > > > Bev > > > > > > ========Original Message======== > > > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > > > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > > > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > > > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living > relative > > > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great > grandfather > > was > > > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in > > Virginia abt > > > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved > to > > Ohio > > > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. > There > > was a > > > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob > & > > that he > > > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me > by > > my > > > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried > every > > > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a > > possible first > > > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time > because > > he > > > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found > in > > the > > > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for > 1920 > > & 1930 > > > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > > > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children > Ralph > > > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have > his > > death > > > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. > Though > > on > > > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not > > Harry. > > > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the > names > > that > > > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at > this > > > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, > & > > line > > > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to > > anyone, I > > > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have > been > > from > > > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit > relatives > > there > > > often. > > > Thank you kindly, > > > Erin T. Crowe > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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