What is the SCV please?' Thanks, christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] CLUES are EVIDENCE > To Whom it may Concern > When I joined the SCV in 1983, I only mailed in a page that had my > ancestor's service in the 15th Alabama, I did not have to provide birth > certificate, marriage records for my parents, death certificates for my > grandparents, and census records showing head of household the > enumeration > of children, and Confederate Service records that are required now. I > have > recruited at least five people for the Military Order of the Stars & Bars. > They had to provide birth certificates for themselves, and their parents, > their parents marriage records, also the marriage records or death > certificates for their grandparents documents going back to their > Confederate ancestor. A person, even had to provide his ancestor's parole > paper in 1865. One person had to go back more than three generations. So > things have changed you have to prove to them you are who you say you are. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] CLUES are EVIDENCE > > > I think that acceptability of genealogical evidence is purely a question > of > whom one must satisfy with the presentation. The standards of Jamestown > Society, DAR and SAR are VERY high, while proof sufficient in the eyes of > SUV or SCV is considerably less stringent. > > As to the reasoning - deductive, inductive or whatever - that is used to > determine what is adequate evidence and what is not sufficient is quite > another matter. I know of no organization that looks beyond what facts are > presented in view of what those people find adequate. > > It would seem that those judges wander to and fro in the gray zones > between > "inescapable" and "maybe", and have no rules by which we may predict what > will be required of us. Is that bad? I think not; the whole question of > what > is adequate to justify the intellectual leap from "looks like it may be" > to > "of course it must be" may not be stated with any semblance of reality. > > I have seen a number of such questions, the reasoning behind most of which > are so subjective as to be almost irrelevant in the eyes of the judges. > > I would add that so long as anyone in positions to judge applications > still > mouths the words "preponderance of evidence" when measuring quantities of > evidence, there will be no standards worth the discussion. I hope I have > contributed something to your question, however I am not atall convinced > that I have done much more than babble. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grace Upshaw > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] CLUES are EVIDENCE > > > Hi Paul: Speaking of genealogical evidence is deductive reasoning > acceptable as evidence? Example: George Somers gives land to his son, > James. John Somers names his brother, James Somers, as executor of his > will. Therefore George Somers is the father of John Somers. Is this > example acceptable as proof of John's parentage?.Also, George had a > grandson named John Landman ( from a deed from George), which means his > daughter was the mother of the gr.son. Her name was Sythia Blake > Landman. There was a John Somers whose wife was named Sythia > Blake...now is that proof that George was the son of Sythia Blake and > her husband John Somers? This from my family. Others have told me I need > more tangible proof.But it just doesn't exist. I hope my reasoning is > sufficient. > > Paul Drake wrote: > > >I have long ago discussed Greenwood's writings; in fact, many of his > >statements sound very much like my own writings of 40 years ago. > > > >Then too you have made my point with his very words: > >"but I believe that it is useful for the genealogist to think in > >terms of evidence rather than sources." > > > >What he correctly stated there is that to describe a genealogical fact > as > >having come from a secondary source tells us NOTHING about its worth and > >weight, while to consider it as a fact - as evidence - that may be true, > >untrue or somewhere in between is vastly more productive and helps all > who > >are interested in that particular group of facts. > > > >I also think all should remember that men (and gals now) over the > centuries > >have written millions of words in describing hearsay. None have > succeeded > >in doing so in a couple of sentences. > > > >Finally, just as in legal theory (as Greenwood said) all evidence is > >hearsay, it also all is necessarily circumstantial. BUT, of what value > to > a > >genealogist is that information or are those theories ??????? ZERO, > None. > >!! Reminds me of the ancient philosophers who worried over how many > angels > >could stand on the head of a pin - - really important, huh? > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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