Robin With your knowing that Laura's father was James Ball from Virginia, I suggest that you not just take the location of Washington Co., VA as where the family was from. Those early settlers were remarkable in the way they moved on to new land openings. Washington County was far to the west and the family had to have come to that frontier from the "east". I don't know if this will be of help to you but thought if you've been against a brick wall for 3 years (sounds like some of my frustrations!) that this might be a little help. Remember that George Washington was a surveyor and undoubtedly discussed land opportunities with family. It didn't hurt to have connections even back in those days. With George Washington's mother being Martha Ball there was at least some interest in recording her family which may be of help to tracing your line. I descend from Martha's much older brother (Joseph) who had 2 granddaughters (closer to Martha's age)who married Glasscock brothers -- mine being William Glasscock/Esther Ball. The Glasscock home was called" Indian Banks "and listed among their closest neighbors were the Balls, Washingtons, Lees and Carters. The name James Ball appears several times in the 2 of the 3 books --I don't have the 3rd book--written by Rev. Lawrence Glassco (shortened from Glasscock). Apparently he was a person of "gentry" in the Northern Neck area of early Virginia -- so very likely his name would reappear on down the family line. According to Rev. Glassco "About 4 1/2 miles southeast of "Indian Banks" stands "Epping Forest." The house was built in 1680 and was the home in which Mary Ball, the mother of George Washington, was born. It was named after a Ball family home in England. One of Thomas's (Glasscock) early neighbors was Col. William Ball, the son of a London attorney, who arrived fourteen years after Thomas and was granted a patent in Lancaster County. Fourteen of Col. Ball's descendants were Virginia (House of) Burgesses. Ball's granddaughter was Mary Ball, his greatgrandson was George Washington, and .....two of his greatgranddaughters (Judith and Esther -- or Easter-- Ball) married Major George and Capt. William Glasscock (great grandsons of Thomas) in 1726 and 1728." Later in the book ....." In 1756 Thomas, son of Capt. Wm. & Esther (Ball) Glascock of 'Indian Banks" married Mary Ball, the daughter of Col. James Ball and Laetitia (Lettice) Lee. Lettice was the daughter of Richard Lee (eldest brother of the Thomas Lee who built 'Stratford' in 1715 and Judith Steptoe." ------these of the famous Lee family of Virginia. --------------------------------------------------------- This is from the 2nd book by Rev. Glassco: ........Another church was St. Mary's White Chapel. It is located a few miles south of "Indian Banks". It was first mentioned in the records in 1699 and was often referred to in pre-Revolutionary records - sometimes as "Balls' Church". Esther Ball who married Capt. Wm. Glascock of "Indian Banks" was the daughter of Capt. Richard Ball of St. Mary's White Chapel Parish. The church was apparently often yoked with the parish of Christ Church, which is a few miles further south of it. Joseph Ball (Mary Washington's half-brother) was a Vestryman at St. Mary's in 1739 and he and Major James Ball built a gallery there for their families in 1740 which still survives and is known as "Ball's Gallery." Richard Chichester (father of two girls who marriesd Glascocks of "Indian Banks" and others of interest to our story) was a Vestryman there from 1739 to 1743 and was Church Warden in 1741. James Ball was elected in 1744 to fill his place. The Raleigh Downmans were also very prominent members of St. Mary's White Chapel Parish. The church is still in use and may be visited.p.91-92 p.202 "Bewdley" (James Ball) neighboring home/family to Glascocks ....James Ball was the son of the second William Ball of 'Millenbeck.' His brother, the third Col. Wm. Ball, was the father of Judith Ball who married Major George Glascock and Ellen Ball who married (1) Richard Chichester and (2) Wm. Downman. ..........The original house was built in the 1700s and burned in 1917.....An exact copy of the original house was built in the 1930s from exterior photos of the original house and from the memory of the last Ball descendant who was still living in the house at the time of the fire. It has an unusual roof with two rows of dormers which make three stories appear as one story with a high roof - so designed to escape higher taxes on houses of more than one story. The owner, Buck Cloud, was most graciouis in showing us through the house in 1977. .... Epping Forest (from 2nd book continues info from 1st book) .....The oldes part of this house is reputed to have been built in 1680, ......It was built by Col. James Ball and was named after a Ball family home in England. (There is an area called "Epping Forest" just northeast of London.) It is believed that Mary Ball spent the early part of her childhood there, until she was 12. The 1979 inhabitant was a descendant of the Balls who had lived in the house during its entire history. The home is furnished in colonial decor and is open to visitors - for a fee. The original and interesting ice house remains, as well as the coach house, the smokehouse and the laundry house. .... Virginia imposed very heavy taxes on its citizens to pay for the Revolutionary War and a wealthy neighbor of the Glascocks & Balls called "King" Carter also did a bit of land grabbing which resulted in many of my Glascock and related families to move on to land opening on the frontier. My direct Glascock line went the N.C., GA, TN, AL route then later many on to MS to TX. Glasscocks did very well politically in GA and a county there is named for them. They also married into the political Walton family (county named after them also) and connected with Terrell family who were part of Wm. H. Crawford family (political spokesman for the south and secured from President Madison for his family several political appointments to the new territory of AL --as Territorial Judges even Governor.) It seems that most families who moved on to the deep south were at some time located in Tennessee as almost a gate to their next step. Though your Ball/Sage family was in TN in early 1900s, it might be worth your while to trace back to the major routes of migration to TN. From Washington Co., VA, a move through KY to TN was very possible. I talked to Rev. Glassco several years ago and he had a remarkable knowledge of Glasscock family and related families -- and was still recording data for a third book. I know he is elderly now and haven't heard anything about him since abt 3 or 4 yrs. ago when his son posted that Rev. Glassco was having some health problems. I missed the opportunity to purchase his 3rd book so don't know if there is any more about the Ball family in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin" <robinjeffers@gforcecable.com> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] sir names > Hello, Im looking for BALL, Sage.In Va. Washington Co. William Sage > married Laura Ball in 1896 in Tenn. Had a son in 4-16-1900.Laura died > of child bed fever. Laura I no nothing about, only when they got > married. Her father name is James Ball.I have been at this brick wall > for abt. 3 years now.I just need that side of my family I have my other > sides of my familys.I hope. Thanks My maiden name is SAGE > > My e-mail is robinjeffers@gforcecable.com > > Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good Morning Wanda, Thanks For writing me back.I printed this page And im checking this info. Out.Was your Ester Sage Doughter of James and Lovitt Sage? Thanks a lot. Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Sawtelle Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 5:37 PM To: varoots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] sir names Robin With your knowing that Laura's father was James Ball from Virginia, I suggest that you not just take the location of Washington Co., VA as where the family was from. Those early settlers were remarkable in the way they moved on to new land openings. Washington County was far to the west and the family had to have come to that frontier from the "east". I don't know if this will be of help to you but thought if you've been against a brick wall for 3 years (sounds like some of my frustrations!) that this might be a little help. Remember that George Washington was a surveyor and undoubtedly discussed land opportunities with family. It didn't hurt to have connections even back in those days. With George Washington's mother being Martha Ball there was at least some interest in recording her family which may be of help to tracing your line. I descend from Martha's much older brother (Joseph) who had 2 granddaughters (closer to Martha's age)who married Glasscock brothers -- mine being William Glasscock/Esther Ball. The Glasscock home was called" Indian Banks "and listed among their closest neighbors were the Balls, Washingtons, Lees and Carters. The name James Ball appears several times in the 2 of the 3 books --I don't have the 3rd book--written by Rev. Lawrence Glassco (shortened from Glasscock). Apparently he was a person of "gentry" in the Northern Neck area of early Virginia -- so very likely his name would reappear on down the family line. According to Rev. Glassco "About 4 1/2 miles southeast of "Indian Banks" stands "Epping Forest." The house was built in 1680 and was the home in which Mary Ball, the mother of George Washington, was born. It was named after a Ball family home in England. One of Thomas's (Glasscock) early neighbors was Col. William Ball, the son of a London attorney, who arrived fourteen years after Thomas and was granted a patent in Lancaster County. Fourteen of Col. Ball's descendants were Virginia (House of) Burgesses. Ball's granddaughter was Mary Ball, his greatgrandson was George Washington, and .....two of his greatgranddaughters (Judith and Esther -- or Easter-- Ball) married Major George and Capt. William Glasscock (great grandsons of Thomas) in 1726 and 1728." Later in the book ....." In 1756 Thomas, son of Capt. Wm. & Esther (Ball) Glascock of 'Indian Banks" married Mary Ball, the daughter of Col. James Ball and Laetitia (Lettice) Lee. Lettice was the daughter of Richard Lee (eldest brother of the Thomas Lee who built 'Stratford' in 1715 and Judith Steptoe." ------these of the famous Lee family of Virginia. --------------------------------------------------------- This is from the 2nd book by Rev. Glassco: ........Another church was St. Mary's White Chapel. It is located a few miles south of "Indian Banks". It was first mentioned in the records in 1699 and was often referred to in pre-Revolutionary records - sometimes as "Balls' Church". Esther Ball who married Capt. Wm. Glascock of "Indian Banks" was the daughter of Capt. Richard Ball of St. Mary's White Chapel Parish. The church was apparently often yoked with the parish of Christ Church, which is a few miles further south of it. Joseph Ball (Mary Washington's half-brother) was a Vestryman at St. Mary's in 1739 and he and Major James Ball built a gallery there for their families in 1740 which still survives and is known as "Ball's Gallery." Richard Chichester (father of two girls who marriesd Glascocks of "Indian Banks" and others of interest to our story) was a Vestryman there from 1739 to 1743 and was Church Warden in 1741. James Ball was elected in 1744 to fill his place. The Raleigh Downmans were also very prominent members of St. Mary's White Chapel Parish. The church is still in use and may be visited.p.91-92 p.202 "Bewdley" (James Ball) neighboring home/family to Glascocks ....James Ball was the son of the second William Ball of 'Millenbeck.' His brother, the third Col. Wm. Ball, was the father of Judith Ball who married Major George Glascock and Ellen Ball who married (1) Richard Chichester and (2) Wm. Downman. ..........The original house was built in the 1700s and burned in 1917.....An exact copy of the original house was built in the 1930s from exterior photos of the original house and from the memory of the last Ball descendant who was still living in the house at the time of the fire. It has an unusual roof with two rows of dormers which make three stories appear as one story with a high roof - so designed to escape higher taxes on houses of more than one story. The owner, Buck Cloud, was most graciouis in showing us through the house in 1977. .... Epping Forest (from 2nd book continues info from 1st book) .....The oldes part of this house is reputed to have been built in 1680, ......It was built by Col. James Ball and was named after a Ball family home in England. (There is an area called "Epping Forest" just northeast of London.) It is believed that Mary Ball spent the early part of her childhood there, until she was 12. The 1979 inhabitant was a descendant of the Balls who had lived in the house during its entire history. The home is furnished in colonial decor and is open to visitors - for a fee. The original and interesting ice house remains, as well as the coach house, the smokehouse and the laundry house. .... Virginia imposed very heavy taxes on its citizens to pay for the Revolutionary War and a wealthy neighbor of the Glascocks & Balls called "King" Carter also did a bit of land grabbing which resulted in many of my Glascock and related families to move on to land opening on the frontier. My direct Glascock line went the N.C., GA, TN, AL route then later many on to MS to TX. Glasscocks did very well politically in GA and a county there is named for them. They also married into the political Walton family (county named after them also) and connected with Terrell family who were part of Wm. H. Crawford family (political spokesman for the south and secured from President Madison for his family several political appointments to the new territory of AL --as Territorial Judges even Governor.) It seems that most families who moved on to the deep south were at some time located in Tennessee as almost a gate to their next step. Though your Ball/Sage family was in TN in early 1900s, it might be worth your while to trace back to the major routes of migration to TN. From Washington Co., VA, a move through KY to TN was very possible. I talked to Rev. Glassco several years ago and he had a remarkable knowledge of Glasscock family and related families -- and was still recording data for a third book. I know he is elderly now and haven't heard anything about him since abt 3 or 4 yrs. ago when his son posted that Rev. Glassco was having some health problems. I missed the opportunity to purchase his 3rd book so don't know if there is any more about the Ball family in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin" <robinjeffers@gforcecable.com> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] sir names > Hello, Im looking for BALL, Sage.In Va. Washington Co. William Sage > married Laura Ball in 1896 in Tenn. Had a son in 4-16-1900.Laura died > of child bed fever. Laura I no nothing about, only when they got > married. Her father name is James Ball.I have been at this brick wall > for abt. 3 years now.I just need that side of my family I have my other > sides of my familys.I hope. Thanks My maiden name is SAGE > > My e-mail is robinjeffers@gforcecable.com > > Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message