In a message dated 5/25/2007 11:45:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, janhensley@cox.net writes: These files are virtual treasure troves of family information and many are quite thick. Can a person order a copy of these? The brother of my ggg grandfather's drew the War of 1812 pension. I feel his file may "open up" some family info that many of us have been seeking for over 20 years. ???? So we can go there and look at the file? How long does one have to wait to have it brought to you? I'll be in Wash DC later next month. Ellie Swanger ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello All, I've added 20 more pages to the book "Collections of the Virginia Historical Society Vol. V: The Huguenot Emigration". It is online now at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Abernathy and related families No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM

The 1812 pension files are held by The National Archives in Washington, D.C. and have NOT been microfilmed. If you are at the Archives, they must be pulled (done hourly during week days only) and you can see and copy the original file. Pension files contain all the correspondence on land bounty, pensions for veteran, and pensions for widows. Additionally, you can pull the actual land bounty certificate and the company payrolls. The payroll forms sometimes are endorsed by the veteran. So to sum it up, to get a complete file on your ancestor you need to pull three items: the pension file, the land warrant file, and the company payroll. These files are virtual treasure troves of family information and many are quite thick. Best, Jan -----Original Message----- From: varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:24 PM To: varoots@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAROOTS] War of 1812 pension Okay - and you know what my next question is going to be :) Where can I find those? I'm assuming they were issued by the Federal Government, not the states, so they might eventually show up on the Bureau of Land Management website - but is there another place? thanks Julie

Okay - I'm liking it :) but it sounds like you need to KNOW that they were in the war? True? I'm trying to find some people, to find out where they went - all I know is around when they got married - and the husband's and wife's name. do you think I would be wasting their time with only so little information? Julie Jan Hensley <janhensley@cox.net> wrote: The 1812 pension files are held by The National Archives in Washington, D.C. and have NOT been microfilmed. If you are at the Archives, they must be pulled (done hourly during week days only) and you can see and copy the original file. Pension files contain all the correspondence on land bounty, pensions for veteran, and pensions for widows. Additionally, you can pull the actual land bounty certificate and the company payrolls. The payroll forms sometimes are endorsed by the veteran. So to sum it up, to get a complete file on your ancestor you need to pull three items: the pension file, the land warrant file, and the company payroll. These files are virtual treasure troves of family information and many are quite thick. Best, Jan --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.

Okay - and you know what my next question is going to be :) Where can I find those? I'm assuming they were issued by the Federal Government, not the states, so they might eventually show up on the Bureau of Land Management website - but is there another place? thanks Julie Djshawn636@aol.com wrote: Bounty Land Records for the War of 1812 usually offer more genealogical information than the military papers do. Darlene Shawn --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Bounty Land Records for the War of 1812 usually offer more genealogical information than the military papers do. Darlene Shawn ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Kristina, Just wanted to let you know that the 3rd book you mention by Paul Heinegg is available for complete viewing online. Paul continues to research and update the data on a regular basis, and you're right, it is an incredible amount of work he has done, and it is truly probably the best set of records out there for researching People of Color from the very earliest days in the South. His website is: http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/ To view the lists of families being researched and the data collected, scroll down to the link "Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina"; then click onto the Family name of your choice. The site also features many other records pertaining to People of Color, and this refers to both African American & Native American history, including Tax Records, Revolutionary War, Slave listings, etc. There is so much there, I would suggest that one take their time and check out the various lists of records included on the website. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: <FRMRNYR@aol.com> To: <varoots-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <vanorfol-l@rootsweb.com>; <va-southside-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] black history books, and newspapers > As you all know I have been on a little crusade lately trying to find > some > black history information for both norfolk and pac (va beach). Plus i > know the > bulk of it is probably in NORFOLK, and my butt's just too lazy to go into > norfolk at this time............. > > But anyway, I want to recommend three books (none are mine, and no > affiliation with any) > > 2 i'm going to summarize and pick out some good info to put on the > websites. > I recommend an interlibrary loan. these are very good books. > The 3rd. well even attempting an index could take years, ( i know the book > already has an index, but what i mean is just picking out the Virginia > names, > as the book covers several states) > > And even attempting that could take years.... > > 1. Free Blacks in Norfolk VA 1790-1800 by Tommy L. Bogger > > 2. Black History our Heritage PAC, Va Beach, VA by Edna Hawkins Hendrix. > > Now this third book, must have taken years to compile.....he did what i > would call an alex haley, for literally hundreds of people.& several > generations... the genealogy is amazing and not only that.... what really > impressed me > was when he said "a married b" he also stated where the info came from, > right > then and there (no ibid) or anything... > so in his listing... it would be "a married b" jan 1. 1800 (see pac mb > book > 1, page 300) > and it's just incredible the amount of work these books must have taken (2 > vol. set) and they are both close to 1000 pages.... . > > 3. Free African Americans of NC,VA AND SC, from the colonial period to > 1820 > by Paul Heinegg. > > > Oh and for the rest of the world, I'm in the process of getting neck > strain, > ( the best printer, attached to the best microfische machine which sits > higher than the chair and you have to lookup to view the newspaper aka > neck > strain... > > but i am gathering, birth,death, marriage, and other "note worthy info" > from > the va pilot ( or back then "norfolk virginian") starting in 1869 (posted > those yesterday) and later today will post 1871. on my site > _www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com_ (http://www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com) > or > _www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com/mva1869.html_ > (http://www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com/mva1869.html) > > oh and copied lunenburg county wills 1846-1851 hope to have an index for u > later.... > > later > kristina > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM

As you all know I have been on a little crusade lately trying to find some black history information for both norfolk and pac (va beach). Plus i know the bulk of it is probably in NORFOLK, and my butt's just too lazy to go into norfolk at this time............. But anyway, I want to recommend three books (none are mine, and no affiliation with any) 2 i'm going to summarize and pick out some good info to put on the websites. I recommend an interlibrary loan. these are very good books. The 3rd. well even attempting an index could take years, ( i know the book already has an index, but what i mean is just picking out the Virginia names, as the book covers several states) And even attempting that could take years.... 1. Free Blacks in Norfolk VA 1790-1800 by Tommy L. Bogger 2. Black History our Heritage PAC, Va Beach, VA by Edna Hawkins Hendrix. Now this third book, must have taken years to compile.....he did what i would call an alex haley, for literally hundreds of people.& several generations... the genealogy is amazing and not only that.... what really impressed me was when he said "a married b" he also stated where the info came from, right then and there (no ibid) or anything... so in his listing... it would be "a married b" jan 1. 1800 (see pac mb book 1, page 300) and it's just incredible the amount of work these books must have taken (2 vol. set) and they are both close to 1000 pages.... . 3. Free African Americans of NC,VA AND SC, from the colonial period to 1820 by Paul Heinegg. Oh and for the rest of the world, I'm in the process of getting neck strain, ( the best printer, attached to the best microfische machine which sits higher than the chair and you have to lookup to view the newspaper aka neck strain... but i am gathering, birth,death, marriage, and other "note worthy info" from the va pilot ( or back then "norfolk virginian") starting in 1869 (posted those yesterday) and later today will post 1871. on my site _www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com_ (http://www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com) or _www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com/mva1869.html_ (http://www.nyvagenealogy.homestead.com/mva1869.html) oh and copied lunenburg county wills 1846-1851 hope to have an index for u later.... later kristina _Princess Anne County, VAGenWeb_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaprinc2/) _Norfolk Co, VA, Homepage_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~vanorfol/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Did you have to know where they ended up? I'm going through the Rev War pensions and those are filed according to last name. Or do you know? I'm trying to find out where they went, they got married in the 1780s - so they might have already died by 1870... thank you Julie Phebe <phebem@comcast.net> wrote: Julie I am getting into this conversation late. But this is what I did. I believe the pensions for widows for the war of 1812 did not start until the latter part of the 1870's. The application -- although it was denied -- I located at NARA in Washington. It was a special request and the material had to be "pulled." At that time it was not on microfilm. This man served from Wythe Co VA and his widow, when applied, lived in TN. It contained wonderful information as date and place of marriage and her maiden name. Phebe Morgan Sarasota, FL --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.

Julie I am getting into this conversation late. But this is what I did. I believe the pensions for widows for the war of 1812 did not start until the latter part of the 1870's. The application -- although it was denied -- I located at NARA in Washington. It was a special request and the material had to be "pulled." At that time it was not on microfilm. This man served from Wythe Co VA and his widow, when applied, lived in TN. It contained wonderful information as date and place of marriage and her maiden name. Phebe Morgan Sarasota, FL

Elizabeth, Do a google search on the "National Society of the Daughters of 1812" and you will see that the state president of IL is Kathleen Haas but she has no email address. If you go the section named Chapters and then down to IL, you will see that IL has 4 chapters in the state and you can contact them. Hope this helps, Rachel Grace ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I am in the DAR and also eligible for your organization, but I have never seen that there is a chapter in Central IL. Is there please? THANKS! Elizabeth Kaspar via Martin Baker who served in the War of 1812 from KY. (His widow in MO. received a pension.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HGRACE5366@aol.com> > To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Daughters of 1812 > > > >> Hi, >> To belong to the Daughters of 1812 is just like belonging to DAR. You >> must >> be able to prove with documentation that you are descended from an >> ancestor who >> fought or served between 1783 and 1815. If their name is on a militia >> list >> that is dated in that time period than that is proof. You do not have to >> be >> asked to join. Just contact someone who lives near you who is a member. >> Where >> do you live? I am the State President of LA. >> Rachel >> >> >> >> >> > > >

Where did you find the pension? I'm trying to track down some daughters and their husbands were too young for the Revolution and I'm hoping I can find them in another war - that didn't come out right, but you know what I mean. I went to the NARA near me and they said that they had films with lists of who served but no pensions. Just curious thanks julie in CA E Kaspar <E-Kaspar@wiu.edu> wrote: Elizabeth Kaspar via Martin Baker who served in the War of 1812 from KY. (His widow in MO. received a pension.) --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

Good Morning Wanda, Thanks For writing me back.I printed this page And im checking this info. Out.Was your Ester Sage Doughter of James and Lovitt Sage? Thanks a lot. Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Sawtelle Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 5:37 PM To: varoots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] sir names Robin With your knowing that Laura's father was James Ball from Virginia, I suggest that you not just take the location of Washington Co., VA as where the family was from. Those early settlers were remarkable in the way they moved on to new land openings. Washington County was far to the west and the family had to have come to that frontier from the "east". I don't know if this will be of help to you but thought if you've been against a brick wall for 3 years (sounds like some of my frustrations!) that this might be a little help. Remember that George Washington was a surveyor and undoubtedly discussed land opportunities with family. It didn't hurt to have connections even back in those days. With George Washington's mother being Martha Ball there was at least some interest in recording her family which may be of help to tracing your line. I descend from Martha's much older brother (Joseph) who had 2 granddaughters (closer to Martha's age)who married Glasscock brothers -- mine being William Glasscock/Esther Ball. The Glasscock home was called" Indian Banks "and listed among their closest neighbors were the Balls, Washingtons, Lees and Carters. The name James Ball appears several times in the 2 of the 3 books --I don't have the 3rd book--written by Rev. Lawrence Glassco (shortened from Glasscock). Apparently he was a person of "gentry" in the Northern Neck area of early Virginia -- so very likely his name would reappear on down the family line. According to Rev. Glassco "About 4 1/2 miles southeast of "Indian Banks" stands "Epping Forest." The house was built in 1680 and was the home in which Mary Ball, the mother of George Washington, was born. It was named after a Ball family home in England. One of Thomas's (Glasscock) early neighbors was Col. William Ball, the son of a London attorney, who arrived fourteen years after Thomas and was granted a patent in Lancaster County. Fourteen of Col. Ball's descendants were Virginia (House of) Burgesses. Ball's granddaughter was Mary Ball, his greatgrandson was George Washington, and .....two of his greatgranddaughters (Judith and Esther -- or Easter-- Ball) married Major George and Capt. William Glasscock (great grandsons of Thomas) in 1726 and 1728." Later in the book ....." In 1756 Thomas, son of Capt. Wm. & Esther (Ball) Glascock of 'Indian Banks" married Mary Ball, the daughter of Col. James Ball and Laetitia (Lettice) Lee. Lettice was the daughter of Richard Lee (eldest brother of the Thomas Lee who built 'Stratford' in 1715 and Judith Steptoe." ------these of the famous Lee family of Virginia. --------------------------------------------------------- This is from the 2nd book by Rev. Glassco: ........Another church was St. Mary's White Chapel. It is located a few miles south of "Indian Banks". It was first mentioned in the records in 1699 and was often referred to in pre-Revolutionary records - sometimes as "Balls' Church". Esther Ball who married Capt. Wm. Glascock of "Indian Banks" was the daughter of Capt. Richard Ball of St. Mary's White Chapel Parish. The church was apparently often yoked with the parish of Christ Church, which is a few miles further south of it. Joseph Ball (Mary Washington's half-brother) was a Vestryman at St. Mary's in 1739 and he and Major James Ball built a gallery there for their families in 1740 which still survives and is known as "Ball's Gallery." Richard Chichester (father of two girls who marriesd Glascocks of "Indian Banks" and others of interest to our story) was a Vestryman there from 1739 to 1743 and was Church Warden in 1741. James Ball was elected in 1744 to fill his place. The Raleigh Downmans were also very prominent members of St. Mary's White Chapel Parish. The church is still in use and may be visited.p.91-92 p.202 "Bewdley" (James Ball) neighboring home/family to Glascocks ....James Ball was the son of the second William Ball of 'Millenbeck.' His brother, the third Col. Wm. Ball, was the father of Judith Ball who married Major George Glascock and Ellen Ball who married (1) Richard Chichester and (2) Wm. Downman. ..........The original house was built in the 1700s and burned in 1917.....An exact copy of the original house was built in the 1930s from exterior photos of the original house and from the memory of the last Ball descendant who was still living in the house at the time of the fire. It has an unusual roof with two rows of dormers which make three stories appear as one story with a high roof - so designed to escape higher taxes on houses of more than one story. The owner, Buck Cloud, was most graciouis in showing us through the house in 1977. .... Epping Forest (from 2nd book continues info from 1st book) .....The oldes part of this house is reputed to have been built in 1680, ......It was built by Col. James Ball and was named after a Ball family home in England. (There is an area called "Epping Forest" just northeast of London.) It is believed that Mary Ball spent the early part of her childhood there, until she was 12. The 1979 inhabitant was a descendant of the Balls who had lived in the house during its entire history. The home is furnished in colonial decor and is open to visitors - for a fee. The original and interesting ice house remains, as well as the coach house, the smokehouse and the laundry house. .... Virginia imposed very heavy taxes on its citizens to pay for the Revolutionary War and a wealthy neighbor of the Glascocks & Balls called "King" Carter also did a bit of land grabbing which resulted in many of my Glascock and related families to move on to land opening on the frontier. My direct Glascock line went the N.C., GA, TN, AL route then later many on to MS to TX. Glasscocks did very well politically in GA and a county there is named for them. They also married into the political Walton family (county named after them also) and connected with Terrell family who were part of Wm. H. Crawford family (political spokesman for the south and secured from President Madison for his family several political appointments to the new territory of AL --as Territorial Judges even Governor.) It seems that most families who moved on to the deep south were at some time located in Tennessee as almost a gate to their next step. Though your Ball/Sage family was in TN in early 1900s, it might be worth your while to trace back to the major routes of migration to TN. From Washington Co., VA, a move through KY to TN was very possible. I talked to Rev. Glassco several years ago and he had a remarkable knowledge of Glasscock family and related families -- and was still recording data for a third book. I know he is elderly now and haven't heard anything about him since abt 3 or 4 yrs. ago when his son posted that Rev. Glassco was having some health problems. I missed the opportunity to purchase his 3rd book so don't know if there is any more about the Ball family in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin" <robinjeffers@gforcecable.com> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] sir names > Hello, Im looking for BALL, Sage.In Va. Washington Co. William Sage > married Laura Ball in 1896 in Tenn. Had a son in 4-16-1900.Laura died > of child bed fever. Laura I no nothing about, only when they got > married. Her father name is James Ball.I have been at this brick wall > for abt. 3 years now.I just need that side of my family I have my other > sides of my familys.I hope. Thanks My maiden name is SAGE > > My e-mail is robinjeffers@gforcecable.com > > Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/pittsylvania/census/hofh1782.txt 1782 census of Pittsylvania Co. Va. --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

it's o.k. It's fine to send this info to the list, we're all here to help each other. Maybe a lister will be familiar with your info. Good luck, Ann in OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Sawtelle" <wm343@bellsouth.net> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] sir names > oops! So sorry I mistakenly sent personal response to whole list. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robin" <robinjeffers@gforcecable.com> > To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:11 AM > Subject: [VAROOTS] sir names > > >> Hello, Im looking for BALL, Sage.In Va. Washington Co. William Sage >> married Laura Ball in 1896 in Tenn. Had a son in 4-16-1900.Laura died >> of child bed fever. Laura I no nothing about, only when they got >> married. Her father name is James Ball.I have been at this brick wall >> for abt. 3 years now.I just need that side of my family I have my other >> sides of my familys.I hope. Thanks My maiden name is SAGE >> >> My e-mail is robinjeffers@gforcecable.com >> >> Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > 7:54 AM > >

oops! So sorry I mistakenly sent personal response to whole list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin" <robinjeffers@gforcecable.com> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] sir names > Hello, Im looking for BALL, Sage.In Va. Washington Co. William Sage > married Laura Ball in 1896 in Tenn. Had a son in 4-16-1900.Laura died > of child bed fever. Laura I no nothing about, only when they got > married. Her father name is James Ball.I have been at this brick wall > for abt. 3 years now.I just need that side of my family I have my other > sides of my familys.I hope. Thanks My maiden name is SAGE > > My e-mail is robinjeffers@gforcecable.com > > Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Christine - You could probably find out what chapter there was in the locale where your ancestor lived. Contact the state DAR where she lived. I'd be willing to bet they would be more than happy to help you track her down. After all, genealogists are known for keeping lots and lots of papers. If nothing else, they certainly could point you in the right direction. Good luck. Joyce -----Original Message----- From: varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varoots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cristy Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:36 PM To: varoots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Daughters of 1812 I have two obituaries stating my ancestor was a member of D.A.R. but no one I have contacted as of yet can find her membership number or whom she joined under so I cannot join as of yet. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <HGRACE5366@aol.com> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Daughters of 1812 > Hi, > To belong to the Daughters of 1812 is just like belonging to DAR. You > must > be able to prove with documentation that you are descended from an > ancestor who > fought or served between 1783 and 1815. If their name is on a militia > list > that is dated in that time period than that is proof. You do not have to > be > asked to join. Just contact someone who lives near you who is a member. > Where > do you live? I am the State President of LA. > Rachel > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have two obituaries stating my ancestor was a member of D.A.R. but no one I have contacted as of yet can find her membership number or whom she joined under so I cannot join as of yet. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <HGRACE5366@aol.com> To: <varoots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Daughters of 1812 > Hi, > To belong to the Daughters of 1812 is just like belonging to DAR. You > must > be able to prove with documentation that you are descended from an > ancestor who > fought or served between 1783 and 1815. If their name is on a militia > list > that is dated in that time period than that is proof. You do not have to > be > asked to join. Just contact someone who lives near you who is a member. > Where > do you live? I am the State President of LA. > Rachel > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >