Steve and Bunny Found the below to be very helpful. >>We have uploaded our new images for "1790" Buckingham, the 1788 Personal Property Tax Lists A and B, to our "1790 / 1800 County Tax Lists of Virginia" website. Please follow the Buckingham County link found at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm << Do you have a reference that would help me understand the significance of the "a" list and "b" list? It is very hard to read the column headers. If there is a reference to the column headers, it would help. I'm not sure they are the same from county to county, so this may not be possible, but would help. Thanks, Pat (in Tucson)

We have uploaded our new images for "1790" Buckingham, the 1788 Personal Property Tax Lists A and B, to our "1790 / 1800 County Tax Lists of Virginia" website. Please follow the Buckingham County link found at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm Please send any comments to us at: mailto:binnsgeno@aol.com or mailto:ysbinns@msn.com We will index these tax list images as time permits. We hope you find them useful. Steve and Bunny "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia Reconstructed 1790 and 1800 Virginia Censuses --------- "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia Reconstructed 1790 and 1800 Censuses: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm

Hello ya'll: I'm currently in the middle of a book that explains the politics, socio-economics, and religious factions that led up to the Civil War in England. It seems that when the colonies started getting off the ground, the king (and everyone else) wanted a piece of the pie. The king (James1) started taxing all import/exports. As such, it was critical that everything that was weighed in and taxed should be exactly as it was represented if there was to be a profit margin. As long as King James supported their cause, the merchants were willing to pay the taxes that were levied. ~Virginia

Well - this is interesting - I sent this mail on the 21st and it just came to me through the list today. Seems somebody is having some trouble? I got 2 others on Rolling Houses too - I'm sure they were all sent over a week ago. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Rolling Houses Date: 8/27/2003 11:09:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:Ms2001@aol.com">Ms2001@aol.com</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) They were probably regulated by law to keep everyone honest and make sure teh tobacco was weighed correctly. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VAROOTS] Rolling Houses Date: 8/21/2003 7:48:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:margaret.teat2@verizon.net">margaret.teat2@verizon.net</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Eric, Flake & Others Thanks for your help. Tobacco was used as a currency, so that makes sense, but why: Why were they ordered by law? If a government warehouse why at individual farms? How did the govenment "pay" for the tobacco from individual farms? Hope my questions makes sense, Derrell A Rolling House was a tobacco warehouse. I think that the name derived from the fact that the huge hogsheads (barrels) of tobacco were literally rolled into the warehouses. To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I just received those same ones today, also. Glad you wrote. I thought I had not received another note starting the "Rolling Houses" thread again. I have enjoyed this thread as I knew nothing about this topic. Charmaine On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:15:11 EDT Ms2001@aol.com writes: > Well - this is interesting - I sent this mail on the 21st and it just > came to > me through the list today. Seems somebody is having some trouble? > I got 2 > others on Rolling Houses too - I'm sure they were all sent over a > week ago. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Rolling Houses > Date: 8/27/2003 11:09:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:Ms2001@aol.com">Ms2001@aol.com</A> > Reply-to: <A > HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A > HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > They were probably regulated by law to keep everyone honest and make > sure teh > > tobacco was weighed correctly. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] Rolling Houses > Date: 8/21/2003 7:48:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A > HREF="mailto:margaret.teat2@verizon.net">margaret.teat2@verizon.net</A> > > Reply-to: <A > HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A > HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Eric, Flake & Others > Thanks for your help. > Tobacco was used as a currency, so that makes sense, but why: > Why were they ordered by law? > If a government warehouse why at individual farms? > How did the govenment "pay" for the tobacco from individual farms? > Hope my questions makes sense, > Derrell > > > A Rolling House was a tobacco warehouse. I think that the name > derived > from the fact that the huge hogsheads (barrels) of tobacco were > literally > rolled into the warehouses. > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

same here I got 5 messages that were a week old including two that I had posted - and I had seen them all before. Mary --- Ms2001@aol.com wrote: > Well - this is interesting - I sent this mail > on the 21st and it just came to > me through the list today. Seems somebody is > having some trouble? I got 2 > others on Rolling Houses too - I'm sure they > were all sent over a week ago. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Rolling Houses > Date: 8/27/2003 11:09:53 AM Eastern Daylight > Time > From: <A > HREF= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Hi Deb! I was grazing in some oddball places this morning and came across a site with "unusual" names. Amongst them< I believe, was a Carter B. Crapp (as in be crap I suppose?). You will note however, the last name spelled with an "a." Have you tried that yet? I think the names came from early census records. Happy hunting, Celeste Conrad-Brock

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Hello: I am looking for male Ball surnamed descendants of Col William Ball of Millenbeck, to participate in the Ball Y DNA study. Details are on this web page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~scperkins/BallDNA.html Regards, Steven C. Perkins Descendant of John Ball and Winifred Williams

Great article written by a Grad Student : <A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~etzahaim/ceajhist2.html"> http://home.earthlink.net/~etzahaim/ceajhist2.html</A> another site with a different perspective (this one has reference to Chocolate Shop): http://my.ohio.vo<A HREF="http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~wkfisher/Luzadder.html">yager.net/~wkfisher/Luzadder.html</A> Happy Hunting! Cleste Conrad-Brock, FL

Hello, Deb. The 1800 and 1810 censuses might begin to find a "where" for you; his parents were someplace, sure enuf and almost surely at least one of them carried that surname. So, if you find 10 families with that name, that is better than searching the world over for the year 1803 when he was born. Paul ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [VAROOTS] Carter B. Cropp Does anyone know this man who died in Culpeper on 15 APR 1874 of "General Deformity". He was 70 Years 5 Months 15 Days old ....Deb Koplen

Does anyone know this man who died in Culpeper on 15 APR 1874 of "General Deformity". He was 70 Years 5 Months 15 Days old "Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson Deb Koplen http://home.swbell.net/koplend/ koplend@swbell.net Grand Prairie, TX MSN Instant Messenger: Freckles6932 "Right Smak dab between Dallas & Fort Worth" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Am seeking parentage of one Bridget Robinson who married Thomas Savage II. Bridget was born 1661 at Hungers Parish, VA. She had several children, two of which were Thomas Savage III and Robinson Savage who was born 1699. Am seeking Robinson I and Robinson II's wives. The first married a Betsey [Mears?] but only one name has come up for the second SABRA, and since there were at least 3 possibly 4 Robinson SAVAGE's during this time frame I don't even know if she is the correct one! Vicky <lyonslady@frontiernet.net> <Prayers4u@smartgroups.com> The world is a better place for knowing you. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003

Bruce, the prolific writer and authority on 17th Century VA uses the terms "rolling house" and "warehouse" synonymously, and describes the activities and Crown appointed record and tax rolls keepers of those designated locations in considerable and interesting detail in Philip Bruce, "Economic History of VA in the 17th-Century" (McMillan & Co., 1896), vol. i, pp. 440 et seq. Incidentally, "rolling" of the hogsheads (from 480 to 1000+ lbs.) by the use of an axle through the center pulled by animals was not practiced until well into the 18th century, those having been moved prior to then by pushing such from the warehouses (located at rivers and seaports) to the boats by which transportation was accomplished. Then too, and interestingly, the VA Council determined even the thickness (1/3") of the oak or hickory staves to used in the tobacco bbls. (and those to be of "well cured" wood) in order that such not collapse from the weight after leaving the govt. warehouses. So strictly was tobacco and its value regulated that any of that commodity yet found in the barns of planters after Dec. 31 was confiscated. The licenses to build such warehouses were eagerly sought since those operations were very profitable, the keepers having been paid a sum for every hogshead there handled. Paul Drake

Bruce, the prolific writer and authority on 17th Century VA uses the terms "rolling house" and "warehouse" synonymously, and describes the activities and Crown appointed record and tax rolls keepers of those designated locations in considerable and interesting detail in Philip Bruce, "Economic History of VA in the 17th-Century" (McMillan & Co., 1896), vol. i, pp. 440 et seq. Incidentally, "rolling" of the hogsheads (from 480 to 1000+ lbs.) by the use of an axle through the center pulled by animals was not practiced until well into the 18th century, those having been moved prior to then by pushing such from the warehouses (located at rivers and seaports) to the boats by which transportation was accomplished. Then too, and interestingly, the VA Council determined even the thickness (1/3") of the oak or hickory staves to used in the tobacco bbls. (and those to be of "well cured" wood) in order that such not collapse from the weight after leaving the govt. warehouses. So strictly was tobacco and its value regulated that any of that commodity yet found in the barns of planters after Dec. 31 was confiscated. The licenses to build such warehouses were eagerly sought since those operations were very profitable, the keepers having been paid a sum for every hogshead there handled. Paul Drake

I submitted a rather detailed answer to this question today. Hope it will help some answer this particular question. Taylor

Taylor, Your explanation was indeed clear and very interesting. Thank you for the effort that you put into it for us all. --- Adman93940@aol.com wrote: > I submitted a rather detailed answer to this > question today. Hope it will > help some answer this particular question. > Taylor > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

I hope this explanation will help some genealogists understand this particular term. In the town of Urbanna, Virginia, which is nestled along the Urbanna Creek and the Rappahannock River, early colonists citizens there fished, hunted in the bountiful game area along the River. They set fish traps and enjoyed the oysters of the River. They felled some of the great trees along the river for sailing ship lumber and grew Tobacco in their patented fields. Around 1649 other citizens patented land in this area. In 1650 Capt. Ralph Wormeley acquired even more land. Tobacco became the money of this part of Virginia. It was grown in and around the area called Urbanna. In 1680, 20 town sites were designated as Colonial PORTS. Urbanna was one of these. Inspectors were nominated and their job was to inspect the tobacco to assure quality before it was shipped to England and Spain. The tobacco came to the port in "Kegs." These barrels were so designed to be rolled from the farm into the horse drawn wagons and hence to town where they were rolled into the Inspectors' warehouses for character and quality analysis. The Rolling Houses acquired this title much the same way as Tobacco Auction Houses where the leaf was auctioned to the cigarette manufacturers. Whiskey barrels even today are shaped similarly because their weight prohibits an individual from lifting, dragging or pushing. The barrel shape can be rolled along and handled by one person with no difficulty. I hope this description will give others an appreciation of the role of Tobacco in the early colonial days of our nation. Taylor Brooks

I checked my copy of A to Zax for rolling houses and found nothing but now that I know tobacco is involved - I tried again and I thought this was interesting - "Tobacco Roller: a man who rolled hogsheads of tobacco with a team of horses from the farm to the shipping point." Bev