Thank you for sharing this. Many years ago I sat down and talked to a Ms. Lucille Pegram in Gaffney, SC. Her dad was Robert Kirby who was a brother to one of my gr grandfathers back up the line. She told me that family legend was that several of the Kirbys were fur traders -even in Indian territory - and one operated a trading post way outside the original 13 colonies - but this is the first time I have actually seen a written account of a Kirby trading in furs. But there it is in black and white... thanks, Rex -----Original Message----- From: VAThomson@aol.com [mailto:VAThomson@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:10 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAROOTS] Francis Kirby, merchant << Thanks, Bev. I have worked a long time tracking my Kennedys, > McClennys, Garners, Sparks, Carrs, Johnsons, Pelhams, Grants, > Doziers, Warrens, Rushings, Lipscombs and others. Drew a name > out of a little box on my desk and it was Kirby this time so here I am > trying to figure out if they got here before or after the Mayflower. > Sometimes I think all my early ancestors were in the Lost Colony. >> Merchants and Revolutions (Brenner) pg. 151 "Since New England never did develop the kind of staple commodity that supported the southern and West Indian colonies, its commercial po- tential during the 1630s was never very large even for those men who had access to its trade. Furs were its only really important export and, for a while at least, a London-based subpartnership led by the new governor's son John Winthrop, Jr., the London lawyer Emanuel Downing, and the City merchant FRANCIS KIRBY carried out a series of fur-trading expedi- tions under the auspices of the company of undertakers. By and large, however, London merchants were excluded from the fur trade, which soon fell almost entirely into the hands of politically well-placed merchants residing in the colony, just as it had in Virginia. Like most of the traders with Virginia and the West Indies, these men had only rarely begun their careers as overseas merchants. Almost always originating outside the City, they often entered the fur business on the basis of capital acquired through the sale of property in England and especially by virtue of their close connections with the new colonial government. 123 123 Ibid, pp. 30-32" ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hope...Bless you...Come Monday morning I'm going to find a copy of that book somehow. I got goose bumps reading the excerpt. From what I've been told by any number of Kirby researchers, that's my Thomas and Mary and Robert...The names and dates and locations match what I already have in my FTM program. In a nutshell and very briefly: Robert died 1727 in VA John 1693 VA - 1772 VA John 1745 VA - Unk Jacob 1803 ? - 1880 SC Ransom 1835 SC - Unk, SC Richard 1858 SC - 1935 TX John 1892 TX - 1951 TX Audrey 1913 TX - 1982 TX and me... Thank you so much for sharing this with me. Rex -----Original Message----- From: Hope [mailto:hopestanley@mchsi.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:46 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Mary & Thomas Kirby Thought this might be of some interest. From the Book By Thomas V Watkins, A HISTORY OF POQUOSON VIRGINIA. The Rich Heritage of Thomas Kerby The benevolent planter who lived at the Football Quarter Plantation in New Poquoson, not only provided health security to the area, but planted a healthy genealogical tree there. A semi-biography of the man compiled in an attempt to find his English background is found in "Virginia Settlers and English Adventurers," by Noel Currer-Briggs. Having been in a small way involved with the search of the pedigree and descedants of the kindly man on Football Quarter, I found myself lost and unable to see the forest for the trees. When Mr. Currer-Briggs and his ancestor hunters came to Poquoson in the 50"s, I chauffered them around the area pointing out the various ancient spots which I thought then I knew very well. It was a good lesson because Mr. Currer-Briggs from London knew more about the Freemans, Symmons, Kirbys, Moores and others thatn anyone I had ever talked to before. To review the procedures he used in his genealogical search is a master guide for any genealogist. One of the first services Dr Plouvier had to perform was to attend the birth of the son of Thomas and Mary Kerby:a Robert Kerby, born 1 May 1662. During the year 1667/8 Kirby appeared to be unable to manage the affairs of his plantaion and on 24 January 1667/8 he appointed Robert Shelton as overseer adn attorney-at-law. Also during this period Thomas Kerby had a carpenter's job done on his dwelling house: " one partition across a twenty foot house, a couch making, very slight: two windows removed, one small partition removed out a little, one bedstead. The work was done by Jjohn Alford, which job was appraised by enoch Mackintosh and Robert Penrice, carpenters, and judged to be worth 150 pounds tobacco." arecorded at a court 10 April 1668. Thomas Kerby died 1 June 1668. His will was made 6 March 1668, a month before the rennovation of his house and four months before his death. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

As I said, in 1755 Johnson defined football as a "bladder filled with air" moved to an fro with the feet in an open space to play "football". That, of course, being the definition of what is yet called football in the British Isles and colonies, and here usually called soccer. Paul ----- Original Message -----

<< Thanks, Bev. I have worked a long time tracking my Kennedys, > McClennys, Garners, Sparks, Carrs, Johnsons, Pelhams, Grants, > Doziers, Warrens, Rushings, Lipscombs and others. Drew a name > out of a little box on my desk and it was Kirby this time so here I am > trying to figure out if they got here before or after the Mayflower. > Sometimes I think all my early ancestors were in the Lost Colony. >> Merchants and Revolutions (Brenner) pg. 151 "Since New England never did develop the kind of staple commodity that supported the southern and West Indian colonies, its commercial po- tential during the 1630s was never very large even for those men who had access to its trade. Furs were its only really important export and, for a while at least, a London-based subpartnership led by the new governor's son John Winthrop, Jr., the London lawyer Emanuel Downing, and the City merchant FRANCIS KIRBY carried out a series of fur-trading expedi- tions under the auspices of the company of undertakers. By and large, however, London merchants were excluded from the fur trade, which soon fell almost entirely into the hands of politically well-placed merchants residing in the colony, just as it had in Virginia. Like most of the traders with Virginia and the West Indies, these men had only rarely begun their careers as overseas merchants. Almost always originating outside the City, they often entered the fur business on the basis of capital acquired through the sale of property in England and especially by virtue of their close connections with the new colonial government. 123 123 Ibid, pp. 30-32"

Thought this might be of some interest. From the Book By Thomas V Watkins, A HISTORY OF POQUOSON VIRGINIA. The Rich Heritage of Thomas Kerby The benevolent planter who lived at the Football Quarter Plantation in New Poquoson, not only provided health security to the area, but planted a healthy genealogical tree there. A semi-biography of the man compiled in an attempt to find his English background is found in "Virginia Settlers and English Adventurers," by Noel Currer-Briggs. Having been in a small way involved with the search of the pedigree and descedants of the kindly man on Football Quarter, I found myself lost and unable to see the forest for the trees. When Mr. Currer-Briggs and his ancestor hunters came to Poquoson in the 50"s, I chauffered them around the area pointing out the various ancient spots which I thought then I knew very well. It was a good lesson because Mr. Currer-Briggs from London knew more about the Freemans, Symmons, Kirbys, Moores and others thatn anyone I had ever talked to before. To review the procedures he used in his genealogical search is a master guide for any genealogist. One of the first services Dr Plouvier had to perform was to attend the birth of the son of Thomas and Mary Kerby:a Robert Kerby, born 1 May 1662. During the year 1667/8 Kirby appeared to be unable to manage the affairs of his plantaion and on 24 January 1667/8 he appointed Robert Shelton as overseer adn attorney-at-law. Also during this period Thomas Kerby had a carpenter's job done on his dwelling house: " one partition across a twenty foot house, a couch making, very slight: two windows removed, one small partition removed out a little, one bedstead. The work was done by Jjohn Alford, which job was appraised by enoch Mackintosh and Robert Penrice, carpenters, and judged to be worth 150 pounds tobacco." arecorded at a court 10 April 1668. Thomas Kerby died 1 June 1668. His will was made 6 March 1668, a month before the rennovation of his house and four months before his death.

Ah, thank you very much Hope! I knew there had to be an explanation! Now, why they named the plantation "Football", well, we can still chew on that one. Now, since "my" team is playing LSU tonight, I probably won't want to be talking about football again for awhile <G> (oops, sorry coach, I didn't mean it. . . .) Pat (in Tucson - where we wait for basketball season) -----Original Message----- From: Hope [mailto:hopestanley@mchsi.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:11 To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Mary & Thomas Kirby OK, the phrase "football quarter" has now shown up at least twice in this discussion. Can anyone tell us -- without too many jokes -- just what a "football quarter" is? Pat Football Quarter Plantation was on Football Quater Creek (now Cedar Creek). There was also a Boare Quarter and The Great Marsh, Black Walnutt and Brice's Neck, Tinkersheires Neck, Oxford and Ashland Plantation and many other colorful names. Most of these names can still be found in what is now the City of Poquoson, Just what Quarter ment I can not say, in this case. I have a wonderful Book called the"A HISTORY OF POQUOSON VIRGINIA" by Thomas Vincent Watkins. The library in Poquoson has a copy, but I beleive it is now out of print. Anyone researching the families of this area should attempt to read over this book. This gentleman spent hours upon hours in the courthouse researching not only his family but all the families of early Poquoson area of York Co., there are copies of wills, land grants and family geneologies. He also has personal memories of some of the Plantation and Manor Houses which have since disappeared. > Very interesting indeed. I have never seen such a deed. I can't > help but wonder if Dr. Plovier was a son-in-law of Thomas Kirby. > When you consider the value of the land in 1659 this was quite > an undertaking but I'm sure both parties to this conveyance were > quite happy with this arrangement. > > Thanks for sending this along... > > Rex Dr Peter Plouvier was not a member of Thomas Kirby's family. His wife was Elizabeth Booth . IN THE NEW POQUOSON, FAMOUS FOR SO MANY FIRSTS THERE IS THIS REPORT OF A SINGULAR MEDICARE INSURANCE PLAN THAT WORKED. IN THE BUNTING'S LANE SECTION THREE AND A QUARTER CENTURIES AGO, A MAN BY THE NAME OF THOMAS KERBY WHO WAS LIVING ON A 450 ACRE GRANT OF LAND, SACRIFICED 100 ACRES OF THAT LAND FOR THE ENGAGEMENT OF A DOCTOR, SURGEON AND PHARMACIST TO BE FOR THE USE OF HIS FAMILY AND HIMSELF. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I seem to have the same problem. I have yet to be able to cross the big pond and find my English roots. Hope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Kirby" <rex@tyler.net> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > Thanks, Bev. I have worked a long time tracking my Kennedys, > McClennys, Garners, Sparks, Carrs, Johnsons, Pelhams, Grants, > Doziers, Warrens, Rushings, Lipscombs and others. Drew a name > out of a little box on my desk and it was Kirby this time so here I am > trying to figure out if they got here before or after the Mayflower. > Sometimes I think all my early ancestors were in the Lost Colony. > > Rex > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ms2001@aol.com [mailto:Ms2001@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:44 AM > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > > Rex! Your explainations are AWESOME! We have missed you all these years - > glad you have joined us now! > > My Latin is non-existant but I did find this in "What Did They Mean By That? > - A Dictionary of Historical Terms for Genealogists" by Paul Drake, J>D> > published by Heritage Books. > > "et ux., et uxor" (Lat) and wife; and husband" e.g., "The deed was to Jane > Smith, et uxor, hence even though the husband's name did not appear, the > researcher knew that Jane was then married." > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: RE: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > Date: 9/6/2003 11:09:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:rex@tyler.net">rex@tyler.net</A> > Reply-to: <A > HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Fairly common in older legal documents: > "et ux" - and wife, sometime with actual name included > "et vir" - and husband and again sometime with actual name included > "et al" - and others. Usually first time all names are stated then > later in same document sometimes only shown as > "Harvey, et al" (for example). > More recently et ux and et vir have mostly been replaced with actual words > "and wife" or "and husband". "Et al" is still used where appropriate > and/or acceptable in the context of the document. For example, you may > find a deed in 1914 from A, B, C, and D to E. Later in 1919, a deed from > E to F when referring to the 1914 transaction might refer to the parties > named in the 1914 deed as A, et al to E. > > A word of caution: In 1921 you find a lawsuit styled C vs. F (and/or > perhaps > some of the others) claiming an interest in the property. When you look at > C's petition, you discover that he is claiming (1) he didn't sign the deed > or > (2) someone signed his name who was not authorized to do so or (3) another > possibility, F is claiming a greater interest in the property than C (and/or > the > others) conveyed and F is wrongfully excluding them from the use and > enjoyment of C's remaining interest in the property. > > I won't do here but I can outline for you many fact situations that give > rise > to these land title disputes, many of which involve heirs of deceased > ancestors. > > Perhaps more than you wanted to know but sometimes the first deed you > encounter doesn't tell the whole story. > > Rex > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ms2001@aol.com [mailto:Ms2001@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:41 PM > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > > Can you tell us how it was used? Give us the exact quote, please. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > Date: 9/5/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com">DEBnLEX@aol.com</A> > Reply-to: HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > IN DOING MY RESEARCH, I NOTICED A DESCENDENT'S NAME AS BEING 'UX' HARVEY > INSTEAD OF JUST 'HARVEY' DOES 'UX' HAVE A CERTAIN MEANING? > THANKS, > DEBBIE > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

OK, the phrase "football quarter" has now shown up at least twice in this discussion. Can anyone tell us -- without too many jokes -- just what a "football quarter" is? Pat Football Quarter Plantation was on Football Quater Creek (now Cedar Creek). There was also a Boare Quarter and The Great Marsh, Black Walnutt and Brice's Neck, Tinkersheires Neck, Oxford and Ashland Plantation and many other colorful names. Most of these names can still be found in what is now the City of Poquoson, Just what Quarter ment I can not say, in this case. I have a wonderful Book called the"A HISTORY OF POQUOSON VIRGINIA" by Thomas Vincent Watkins. The library in Poquoson has a copy, but I beleive it is now out of print. Anyone researching the families of this area should attempt to read over this book. This gentleman spent hours upon hours in the courthouse researching not only his family but all the families of early Poquoson area of York Co., there are copies of wills, land grants and family geneologies. He also has personal memories of some of the Plantation and Manor Houses which have since disappeared. > Very interesting indeed. I have never seen such a deed. I can't > help but wonder if Dr. Plovier was a son-in-law of Thomas Kirby. > When you consider the value of the land in 1659 this was quite > an undertaking but I'm sure both parties to this conveyance were > quite happy with this arrangement. > > Thanks for sending this along... > > Rex Dr Peter Plouvier was not a member of Thomas Kirby's family. His wife was Elizabeth Booth . IN THE NEW POQUOSON, FAMOUS FOR SO MANY FIRSTS THERE IS THIS REPORT OF A SINGULAR MEDICARE INSURANCE PLAN THAT WORKED. IN THE BUNTING'S LANE SECTION THREE AND A QUARTER CENTURIES AGO, A MAN BY THE NAME OF THOMAS KERBY WHO WAS LIVING ON A 450 ACRE GRANT OF LAND, SACRIFICED 100 ACRES OF THAT LAND FOR THE ENGAGEMENT OF A DOCTOR, SURGEON AND PHARMACIST TO BE FOR THE USE OF HIS FAMILY AND HIMSELF.

Right! And if someone really did enumerate them this way - SHAME ON THEM! We have enough trouble identifying wives in old records without someone wiping them out of an entire cemetery! Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/6/2003 12:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:rex@tyler.net">rex@tyler.net</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Debbie, Surely this is not the way the names are engraved on the actual tombstone. Do you suppose the person enumerating the cemetery just used "Ux" as a shorthand notation so to speak that the wife was buried along side of the husband. I have worked (and am doing so now) on updating the listing for several cemeteries, one of which is very old. I have never seen "Ux" on any tombstone and I have literally looked at (and copied and/or dictated) information from thousands of monuments, markers, rocks or whatever happens to be there. I copy absolutely everything that can be read and "Ux" does not appear in hundreds of pages of transcriptions. Do we have someone close enough to Sardis, MS to check this out for us? Rex -----Original Message----- From: DEBnLEX@aol.com [mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:05 AM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY BEV, IT WAS FOUND ON THE CEMETARY RECORDS" ROSEHILL CEMETARY, PANOLA COUNTY, SARDIS, MISSISSIPPI. A.L. UX HARVEY CHRISTIAN UX HARVEY JUST ABOUT EVERY LISTING HAD IT. DEBBIE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks, Bev. I have worked a long time tracking my Kennedys, McClennys, Garners, Sparks, Carrs, Johnsons, Pelhams, Grants, Doziers, Warrens, Rushings, Lipscombs and others. Drew a name out of a little box on my desk and it was Kirby this time so here I am trying to figure out if they got here before or after the Mayflower. Sometimes I think all my early ancestors were in the Lost Colony. Rex -----Original Message----- From: Ms2001@aol.com [mailto:Ms2001@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:44 AM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Rex! Your explainations are AWESOME! We have missed you all these years - glad you have joined us now! My Latin is non-existant but I did find this in "What Did They Mean By That? - A Dictionary of Historical Terms for Genealogists" by Paul Drake, J>D> published by Heritage Books. "et ux., et uxor" (Lat) and wife; and husband" e.g., "The deed was to Jane Smith, et uxor, hence even though the husband's name did not appear, the researcher knew that Jane was then married." Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/6/2003 11:09:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:rex@tyler.net">rex@tyler.net</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Fairly common in older legal documents: "et ux" - and wife, sometime with actual name included "et vir" - and husband and again sometime with actual name included "et al" - and others. Usually first time all names are stated then later in same document sometimes only shown as "Harvey, et al" (for example). More recently et ux and et vir have mostly been replaced with actual words "and wife" or "and husband". "Et al" is still used where appropriate and/or acceptable in the context of the document. For example, you may find a deed in 1914 from A, B, C, and D to E. Later in 1919, a deed from E to F when referring to the 1914 transaction might refer to the parties named in the 1914 deed as A, et al to E. A word of caution: In 1921 you find a lawsuit styled C vs. F (and/or perhaps some of the others) claiming an interest in the property. When you look at C's petition, you discover that he is claiming (1) he didn't sign the deed or (2) someone signed his name who was not authorized to do so or (3) another possibility, F is claiming a greater interest in the property than C (and/or the others) conveyed and F is wrongfully excluding them from the use and enjoyment of C's remaining interest in the property. I won't do here but I can outline for you many fact situations that give rise to these land title disputes, many of which involve heirs of deceased ancestors. Perhaps more than you wanted to know but sometimes the first deed you encounter doesn't tell the whole story. Rex -----Original Message----- From: Ms2001@aol.com [mailto:Ms2001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:41 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Can you tell us how it was used? Give us the exact quote, please. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/5/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com">DEBnLEX@aol.com</A> Reply-to: HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) IN DOING MY RESEARCH, I NOTICED A DESCENDENT'S NAME AS BEING 'UX' HARVEY INSTEAD OF JUST 'HARVEY' DOES 'UX' HAVE A CERTAIN MEANING? THANKS, DEBBIE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I've never heard of a football quarter but a quarter section is 160 acres. Likewise a section is one square mile or 640 acres. Perhaps that will help. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Mary & Thomas Kirby Date: 9/6/2003 11:12:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:pauldrake@charter.net">pauldrake@charter.net</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Forgot to add; one of the many definitions of "quarter" given by Johnson - 1755 - is a division or area set aside for some purpose or need. Thus a "football quarter" is a "soccer field". Paul Can anyone tell us -- without too many jokes -- just what a "football quarter" is? Pat ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Again I will defer to Rex but I think it means that he was a husband to someone. I've never seen it used this way and my dictionary fails me! Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/6/2003 11:05:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com">DEBnLEX@aol.com</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) BEV, IT WAS FOUND ON THE CEMETARY RECORDS" ROSEHILL CEMETARY, PANOLA COUNTY, SARDIS, MISSISSIPPI. A.L. UX HARVEY CHRISTIAN UX HARVEY JUST ABOUT EVERY LISTING HAD IT. DEBBIE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Rex! Your explainations are AWESOME! We have missed you all these years - glad you have joined us now! My Latin is non-existant but I did find this in "What Did They Mean By That? - A Dictionary of Historical Terms for Genealogists" by Paul Drake, J>D> published by Heritage Books. "et ux., et uxor" (Lat) and wife; and husband" e.g., "The deed was to Jane Smith, et uxor, hence even though the husband's name did not appear, the researcher knew that Jane was then married." Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/6/2003 11:09:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:rex@tyler.net">rex@tyler.net</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Fairly common in older legal documents: "et ux" - and wife, sometime with actual name included "et vir" - and husband and again sometime with actual name included "et al" - and others. Usually first time all names are stated then later in same document sometimes only shown as "Harvey, et al" (for example). More recently et ux and et vir have mostly been replaced with actual words "and wife" or "and husband". "Et al" is still used where appropriate and/or acceptable in the context of the document. For example, you may find a deed in 1914 from A, B, C, and D to E. Later in 1919, a deed from E to F when referring to the 1914 transaction might refer to the parties named in the 1914 deed as A, et al to E. A word of caution: In 1921 you find a lawsuit styled C vs. F (and/or perhaps some of the others) claiming an interest in the property. When you look at C's petition, you discover that he is claiming (1) he didn't sign the deed or (2) someone signed his name who was not authorized to do so or (3) another possibility, F is claiming a greater interest in the property than C (and/or the others) conveyed and F is wrongfully excluding them from the use and enjoyment of C's remaining interest in the property. I won't do here but I can outline for you many fact situations that give rise to these land title disputes, many of which involve heirs of deceased ancestors. Perhaps more than you wanted to know but sometimes the first deed you encounter doesn't tell the whole story. Rex -----Original Message----- From: Ms2001@aol.com [mailto:Ms2001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:41 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Can you tell us how it was used? Give us the exact quote, please. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/5/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com">DEBnLEX@aol.com</A> Reply-to: HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) IN DOING MY RESEARCH, I NOTICED A DESCENDENT'S NAME AS BEING 'UX' HARVEY INSTEAD OF JUST 'HARVEY' DOES 'UX' HAVE A CERTAIN MEANING? THANKS, DEBBIE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

REX, THANKS FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. I HAVE ONLY JUST FOUND 'UX HARVEY' ON THE GRAVESITE. I WILL KEEP THE OTHER IN MIND WHEN I FIND LAND. IT IS INTERESTING TO ME. I APPRECIATE THE HELP. DEBBIE

Debbie, Surely this is not the way the names are engraved on the actual tombstone. Do you suppose the person enumerating the cemetery just used "Ux" as a shorthand notation so to speak that the wife was buried along side of the husband. I have worked (and am doing so now) on updating the listing for several cemeteries, one of which is very old. I have never seen "Ux" on any tombstone and I have literally looked at (and copied and/or dictated) information from thousands of monuments, markers, rocks or whatever happens to be there. I copy absolutely everything that can be read and "Ux" does not appear in hundreds of pages of transcriptions. Do we have someone close enough to Sardis, MS to check this out for us? Rex -----Original Message----- From: DEBnLEX@aol.com [mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:05 AM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY BEV, IT WAS FOUND ON THE CEMETARY RECORDS" ROSEHILL CEMETARY, PANOLA COUNTY, SARDIS, MISSISSIPPI. A.L. UX HARVEY CHRISTIAN UX HARVEY JUST ABOUT EVERY LISTING HAD IT. DEBBIE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

BEV, IT WAS FOUND ON THE CEMETARY RECORDS" ROSEHILL CEMETARY, PANOLA COUNTY, SARDIS, MISSISSIPPI. A.L. UX HARVEY CHRISTIAN UX HARVEY JUST ABOUT EVERY LISTING HAD IT. DEBBIE

In a message dated 9/6/03 7:51:05 AM, pauldrake@charter.net writes: << sent to Daniel Fisher's plantation. >> Corrections; this should read: next (instead of 'sent') sorry!

Here's an interesting deed: York County, Virginia Records 1659-1662 (Weisiger III) Thomas Kirby of New Poquoson Parish, York Co., for considerations, especially in consideration of engagement of Peter Plovier of Walterchis Creek in Warwick County, to administer physick, medicine and chirurgery, as he the said Kirby or any of his family shall occasion to make use of, for life, and all to be done free to said Kirby, grants to said Peter Plovier, 100 acres, being on plantation of said Kirby, joining platation (sic) of football quarter, sent to Daniel Fisher's plantation. 28 Jan. 1659 Thomas (7) Kirby Wit: John Markham, John (I) Bell I, Thomas Kirby, with consent of my wife, have sold to Mr. Peter Plovier a parcel of land; and I, Mary Kirby, wife to said Thomas, do affirm it. 9 Jan. 1660. Thomas (7) Kirby, Mary Kirby

Very interesting indeed. I have never seen such a deed. I can't help but wonder if Dr. Plovier was a son-in-law of Thomas Kirby. When you consider the value of the land in 1659 this was quite an undertaking but I'm sure both parties to this conveyance were quite happy with this arrangement. Thanks for sending this along... Rex -----Original Message----- From: VAThomson@aol.com [mailto:VAThomson@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 9:44 AM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAROOTS] Mary & Thomas Kirby Here's an interesting deed: York County, Virginia Records 1659-1662 (Weisiger III) Thomas Kirby of New Poquoson Parish, York Co., for considerations, especially in consideration of engagement of Peter Plovier of Walterchis Creek in Warwick County, to administer physick, medicine and chirurgery, as he the said Kirby or any of his family shall occasion to make use of, for life, and all to be done free to said Kirby, grants to said Peter Plovier, 100 acres, being on plantation of said Kirby, joining platation (sic) of football quarter, sent to Daniel Fisher's plantation. 28 Jan. 1659 Thomas (7) Kirby Wit: John Markham, John (I) Bell I, Thomas Kirby, with consent of my wife, have sold to Mr. Peter Plovier a parcel of land; and I, Mary Kirby, wife to said Thomas, do affirm it. 9 Jan. 1660. Thomas (7) Kirby, Mary Kirby ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Fairly common in older legal documents: "et ux" - and wife, sometime with actual name included "et vir" - and husband and again sometime with actual name included "et al" - and others. Usually first time all names are stated then later in same document sometimes only shown as "Harvey, et al" (for example). More recently et ux and et vir have mostly been replaced with actual words "and wife" or "and husband". "Et al" is still used where appropriate and/or acceptable in the context of the document. For example, you may find a deed in 1914 from A, B, C, and D to E. Later in 1919, a deed from E to F when referring to the 1914 transaction might refer to the parties named in the 1914 deed as A, et al to E. A word of caution: In 1921 you find a lawsuit styled C vs. F (and/or perhaps some of the others) claiming an interest in the property. When you look at C's petition, you discover that he is claiming (1) he didn't sign the deed or (2) someone signed his name who was not authorized to do so or (3) another possibility, F is claiming a greater interest in the property than C (and/or the others) conveyed and F is wrongfully excluding them from the use and enjoyment of C's remaining interest in the property. I won't do here but I can outline for you many fact situations that give rise to these land title disputes, many of which involve heirs of deceased ancestors. Perhaps more than you wanted to know but sometimes the first deed you encounter doesn't tell the whole story. Rex -----Original Message----- From: Ms2001@aol.com [mailto:Ms2001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:41 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Can you tell us how it was used? Give us the exact quote, please. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY Date: 9/5/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com">DEBnLEX@aol.com</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) IN DOING MY RESEARCH, I NOTICED A DESCENDENT'S NAME AS BEING 'UX' HARVEY INSTEAD OF JUST 'HARVEY' DOES 'UX' HAVE A CERTAIN MEANING? THANKS, DEBBIE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237