Just a note. Out here in the wild west! Had separate incidents of an accidental shooting and a suicide in 1890's that made the statewide papers. One article mentioned the "coroner's report". I found copies of the coroner's report in the Arizona State Archives. Now, they may have been in the state archives because the actions had occurred when the state was still a territory, so, perhaps in Richmond City, the reports would be in the Richmond City County archives. Pat (in Tucson) -----Original Message----- From: Janet Tennent [mailto:jtennent@starpower.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 18:26 To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: Police report and autopsy Thanks to all that answered my questions. I have called the records dept for the Richmond City Police. They say they do not have access to reports that far back and insist there would be no police report for a suicide back then. They also said the coronor or medical eximiner could not help that far back that I need to call the hospital he was sent to. I will have to find that out next time I go to Richmond and call the hospital. Thanks for all the help you kind folks. Janet ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks to all that answered my questions. I have called the records dept for the Richmond City Police. They say they do not have access to reports that far back and insist there would be no police report for a suicide back then. They also said the coronor or medical eximiner could not help that far back that I need to call the hospital he was sent to. I will have to find that out next time I go to Richmond and call the hospital. Thanks for all the help you kind folks. Janet

Thanks so much Bev. That is a big help. Millie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ms2001@aol.com> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] RACKERBY 1774 > City of Norfolk marriage records begin in 1803. However Norfolk County > records go back to 1706 - they should be housed in the Library of Va and in the > City of Chesapeake courthouse. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] RACKERBY 1774 > Date: 9/4/2003 2:41:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:mjnis@softcom.net">mjnis@softcom.net</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > I hope someone can help me in trying to locate information on William > RACKERBY, born in Norfolk about 1774. Father was a John RACKERBY. Are there churches > in that area where he might have been christened since I don't know if > marriage or birth records go back that far? Thank you. Millie > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

--part1_12d.30b5dcdc.2c8e9470_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I'm the one that already has the book I thought I'd pass this along to those of you who are still looking for it. ~Virginia Thomson phenderson@rivnet.net wrote: << I saw your posting on VAROOTS asking about the book Yourk County Records, etc. Go to Lineages.com and click on the Y for alphabetical listing. They have the book for $17.95 plus $5.00 shipping charge. If you have any trouble finding it, let me know and I will cut and paste it to you. Pat >> --part1_12d.30b5dcdc.2c8e9470_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <phenderson@rivnet.net> Received: from rly-xn03.mx.aol.com (rly-xn03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.136]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINXN24-6393f5d3392101; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:57:58 -0400 Received: from rivnet.net (mail.rivnet.net [205.130.32.9]) by rly-xn03.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN33-6393f5d3392101; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:57:38 -0400 Received: from rivnet.net [65.172.204.176] by rivnet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.02) id A382256E00AC; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:57:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3F5D3375.C8995CD@rivnet.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:57:09 -0400 From: Pat <phenderson@rivnet.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "VAThomson@aol.com" <VAThomson@aol.com> Subject: York County Recorfds. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 205.130.32.9 Hi: I saw your posting on VAROOTS asking about the book Yourk County Records, etc. Go to Lineages.com and click on the Y for alphabetical listing. They have the book for $17.95 plus $5.00 shipping charge. If you have any trouble finding it, let me know and I will cut and paste it to you. Pat --part1_12d.30b5dcdc.2c8e9470_boundary--

hopestanley@mchsi.com wrote: << There is a second book that I have been looking for, have not been able to find as yet. It is the one Virginia Thompson refered to "York County, Virginia Records 1659-1662 (Weisiger III)" My understanding is that Weisiger picked up were Mr Watkins left off and fills in many of the gaps. So we can both be looking for this one. >> What I gave you on Mary & Thomas Kirby is the ONLY entry for Kirby in this book. The book is only 180 pages. ~Virginia Thomson (no 'p' please)

Sue wrote: > >>I could try an interlibrary loan. > I>>t's just very hard for me to drive, and I don't have one close to me. > > Sue, most libraries have a "books by mail" program for folks like you, and for those who are disabled, etc. All you have to do is call them and ask for details.

Morning Rex, Ok I had to pull my book out and try to hook you into what is in there. Here is what I have come up with. Thomas Kerby/Kriby b c. 1628 d 1 June 1668 married Mary Ray dau. of Thomas Ray (she married second Robert Shelston) They had one child Robert b May 01, 1662 d. April 25, 1727 married first Mary Curson and had one child, son Thomas.b 20 June 1686,d 25 of Feb 1740 Married second Catherine Clarke dug of John and Elizabeth Clarke. Step Daughter of Samuel Tompkins. They had thirteen children of which John was the fifth. He was born 19 of July 1698 and a will was proven for him on 2 Nov 1739 in Elizabeth City Co. Virginia. He married Martha (unknown) There is no further mention of this John Kerby or his family. The dates for this John don't quite match what you have but 93/98 could have been misread. The death date however is way off. Does this sound anywhere near right? There is a second book that I have been looking for, have not been able to find as yet. It is the one Virginia Thompson refered to "York County, Virginia Records 1659-1662 (Weisiger III)" My understanding is that Weisiger picked up were Mr Watkins left off and fills in many of the gaps. So we can both be looking for this one. Best of luck cousin Hope Stanley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Kirby" <rex@tyler.net> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] Mary & Thomas Kirby > Hope...Bless you...Come Monday morning I'm going to find a copy > of that book somehow. I got goose bumps reading the excerpt. > From what I've been told by any number of Kirby researchers, that's > my Thomas and Mary and Robert...The names and dates and > locations match what I already have in my FTM program. > In a nutshell and very briefly: > Robert died 1727 in VA > John 1693 VA - 1772 VA > John 1745 VA - Unk > Jacob 1803 ? - 1880 SC > Ransom 1835 SC - Unk, SC > Richard 1858 SC - 1935 TX > John 1892 TX - 1951 TX > Audrey 1913 TX - 1982 TX > and me... > > Thank you so much for sharing this with me. > > Rex > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hope [mailto:hopestanley@mchsi.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:46 PM > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Mary & Thomas Kirby > > Thought this might be of some interest. From the Book By Thomas V Watkins, > A HISTORY OF POQUOSON VIRGINIA. > > The Rich Heritage of Thomas Kerby > > The benevolent planter who lived at the Football Quarter Plantation in New > Poquoson, not only provided health security to the area, but planted a > healthy genealogical tree there. A semi-biography of the man compiled in an > attempt to find his English background is found in "Virginia Settlers and > English Adventurers," by Noel Currer-Briggs. > > Having been in a small way involved with the search of the pedigree and > descedants of the kindly man on Football Quarter, I found myself lost and > unable to see the forest for the trees. When Mr. Currer-Briggs and his > ancestor hunters came to Poquoson in the 50"s, I chauffered them around the > area pointing out the various ancient spots which I thought then I knew very > well. It was a good lesson because Mr. Currer-Briggs from London knew more > about the Freemans, Symmons, Kirbys, Moores and others thatn anyone I had > ever talked to before. To review the procedures he used in his genealogical > search is a master guide for any genealogist. > > One of the first services Dr Plouvier had to perform was to attend the birth > of the son of Thomas and Mary Kerby:a Robert Kerby, born 1 May 1662. During > the year 1667/8 Kirby appeared to be unable to manage the affairs of his > plantaion and on 24 January 1667/8 he appointed Robert Shelton as overseer > adn attorney-at-law. > > Also during this period Thomas Kerby had a carpenter's job done on his > dwelling house: " one partition across a twenty foot house, a couch making, > very slight: two windows removed, one small partition removed out a little, > one bedstead. The work was done by Jjohn Alford, which job was appraised by > enoch Mackintosh and Robert Penrice, carpenters, and judged to be worth 150 > pounds tobacco." arecorded at a court 10 April 1668. > > Thomas Kerby died 1 June 1668. His will was made 6 March 1668, a month > before the rennovation of his house and four months before his death. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks so much! Sue -----Original Message----- From: AnaMaranda@aol.com [mailto:AnaMaranda@aol.com] > Sue, most libraries have a "books by mail" program for folks like you, > and for those who are disabled, etc. All you have to do is call them and ask for details.

There are several sources for the book "Early Coal Mining in Pocahontas" on line. Go to the search engine: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en Use Advanced Google where you can look up by phrase and can filter out words to skip to be more specific in your search. The first hit I found was The Norfolk and Western Railroad Historical site's book store. Their price is $19.95 for the book you are looking for. It is a good price for an excellent historical publication. I have several copies of that book in my collection. One is very worn as I look at it often and have scanned many of the photos and put them in a video slide show of my life, "Growing Up in Boissevain". This book is a source of a very valuable pictorial history to show my grand children the places where I grew up. Jack Jones did an excellent job and his work will live on for now on with the continuing support of you fine folks. Go buy it now. Bob Crabtree

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� Page 1 Office of the Chief Medical Examiner INFORMATION for Family & Friends What is a Medical Examiner? A Virginia city or county medical examiner is a physician appointed by law to determine the cause and manner of death of persons who die under specific circumstances spelled out by law. Deaths under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner are called medical examiner cases. Law enforcement officials, physicians, hospitals, funeral directors, and others are required to report to the medical examiner any death that they think might be a medical examiner�s case. Which deaths must be examined and investigated? The medical examiner is required by law to examine and 1nvestigate deaths that (1) occur when the decedent was not under the care of a physician; (2) are sudden and unexpected; (3) are due to violence of any kind; and (4) occur where violence might be suspected or violence cannot reasonably be ruled out. 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If it happened in the City of Richmond, you have to contact them, not a county. Many people do not understand that in Virginia, independent cities are not in counties. Give them a call and see what they say - 804-780-6715 for the Police Records Section. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Autopsy and Police Report Question Date: 9/7/2003 11:03:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:marchado@pacbell.net">marchado@pacbell.net</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Check with the county corrorners office and the police department. Also check the newspaper archives. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Janet Tennent wrote: > Does anybody have any idea how and if I can get an autopsy report and a police report for somebody that committed suicide in the 1920's or 1930's?� This happened in the City of Richmond.� I have the exact date and street address for the individual written down somewhere. > Thanks Janet Tennent > Kensington, Md. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 only the investigator or next of kin can get an autopsy report, anywhere,in all states. it is not free not even to the next of kin, you will need to prove you are next of kin. the investigator on the case would automatically have� been present at the autopsy, it is his or her job to over see the case in all aspects. to get the police report the same as above , the only way it becomes public record is if there was a court case involving the suicide victim. i know all of the above because i was a private investigator� plus i know from very personnal experience in 2 separate family cases. this includes all open and shut cases. your best bet is newspaper archives. � � -- dlmfox http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fox2/homepage.html �

Does anybody have any idea how and if I can get an autopsy report and a police report for somebody that committed suicide in the 1920's or 1930's? This happened in the City of Richmond. I have the exact date and street address for the individual written down somewhere. Thanks Janet Tennent Kensington, Md.

Janet..Don't know about VA, but in FL the autopsy report is only available to the next of kin. The police report should be public record, you will have to request it tho. Derrell Oakley Teat

Even from the 1929's? > only the investigator or next of kin can get an autopsy report, anywhere,in all states. >

It depends on the state in which the death occurred; some states will allow you access, others will not. In most states, you may be able to gain that file if you are a descendant or immediate family (or if the officer of whom you make the request is in a good mood). If the case is yet "open", without a court order, the autopsy will not be open to you anywhere. Best course would be to go talk to the present coroner and tell him why you want the file. If he has no access, ask him who to talk to next; he may tell you to see the judge of the court that had jurisdiction when the event occurred. Original Message ----- From: "Janet Tennent" <jtennent@starpower.net> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Autopsy and Police Report Question > Does anybody have any idea how and if I can get an autopsy report and a police report for somebody that committed suicide in the 1920's or 1930's? This happened in the City of Richmond. I have the exact date and street address for the individual written down somewhere. > Thanks Janet Tennent > Kensington, Md. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Check with the county corrorners office and the police department. Also check the newspaper archives.

On real estate transactions we use et ux to mean "and wife" so it was probably similar then. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ms2001@aol.com> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > Can you tell us how it was used? Give us the exact quote, please. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] UX HARVEY > Date: 9/5/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:DEBnLEX@aol.com">DEBnLEX@aol.com</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com">VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > IN DOING MY RESEARCH, I NOTICED A DESCENDENT'S NAME AS BEING 'UX' HARVEY > INSTEAD OF JUST 'HARVEY' DOES 'UX' HAVE A CERTAIN MEANING? > THANKS, > DEBBIE > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On pg. 187, Brenner gives the sources where he found the information: "Bailyn, New England Merchants, pp. 19, 26n, 35; Andrews, Colonial Period I: 398." Hope you're more successful in your quest than I have been. ;-) ~Virginia rex@tyler.net wrote: << Thank you for sharing this. Many years ago I sat down and talked to a Ms. Lucille Pegram in Gaffney, SC. Her dad was Robert Kirby who was a brother to one of my gr grandfathers back up the line. She told me that family legend was that several of the Kirbys were fur traders -even in Indian territory - and one operated a trading post way outside the original 13 colonies - but this is the first time I have actually seen a written account of a Kirby trading in furs. But there it is in black and white... thanks, Rex >>