Boy!!! Did you luck out! --- Ms2001@aol.com wrote: > Paul - you are so right! That's why I > suggested the newspapers. If they > have an archives, you can spend a day or so > going through old papers that can > provide not only the information surroundign > his death but generally family > information in the obituary! If the funeral > home is still operating they may have > information too. Of course these are not > original sources but they can > certainly give you hints of other places to > look. Since he said he could not find > anything, I assumed (ok ok, maybe not a great > idea) that the state records had > already been checked. > > My great grandmother managed to pass on to the > hereafter during that 'black > hole' period fo time when Va did not require > records. But I found her obituary > in the newspaper and from that I found where > she was buried - which had been > a family mystery. For some reason she was not > buried in the churchyard where > the rest of the family is buried. I went to > the church where she is and went > through their records - made a donation for the > perpetual care of her grave - > got 2 ham biscuits, some potato salad and a > great glass of tea from some > ladies who were fixing lunch for the next day! > > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt > 1890 VA > Date: 1/4/2004 10:06:35 PM Eastern Standard > Time > From: pauldrake@charter.net > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, > like politics, is LOCAL. Dead > ends are most often solved in the records and > materials to be found in the > counties where the ancestor lived through life. > So, where, where, where is your > avenue to leads. Start with the county > websites of that ancestor and see > what they have provided there, spend the > $10-$12 to join the little genealogical > society at that place, pose queries, and gain > their help, all the while > exhausting your other sources. Those people, > of all other strangers, are most > likely to have info about your family. To do > otherwise and set yourself adrift in > the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is > akin to taking a shot at the > woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erin T. Crowe > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt > 1890 VA > > > Bev, > I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at > it again as so many ppl have > responded & found my great grandfather & my > great great grandfather on the > Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have > many more names which means many > more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. > Thank you so much for taking the time, > Erin T. Crowe > > > > Try the newspapers for that area. A story > like that should have been > fairly > > prominent. > > > > Bev > > > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt > 1890 VA > > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern > Standard Time > > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > My biggest brickwall is with my own last > name. LOL. Not a living > relative > > exists besides my father. So here is my > quandry. My great grandfather > was > > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first > name, maybe not) born in > Virginia abt > > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) > Joseph. He and Joseph moved to > Ohio > > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma > C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There > was a > > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers > racket for the Detroit mob & > that he > > got killed/commited suicide somewhere > around 1949. This is told to me by > my > > father, however, I cannot find a single > death for him, I have tried every > > variation of Harry & have even tried using > the name of Edward as a > possible first > > name. My father also doesn't know if he > really died at that time because > he > > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told > that he died and was found in > the > > house. The only place I can find him > existing, is on the census' for > 1920 > & 1930 > > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" > had two step ! > > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and > two biological children Ralph > > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find > information on Joseph, I have > his > death > > record, it shows his parents as being > Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though > on > > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham > County, VA w/Joseph but not > Harry. > > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census > as a picture, just as the names > that > > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is > not present on their name at > this > > time. I know they are from the same family > because of the page, roll, & > line > > numbers given for the individual. If any > of this sounds familiar to > anyone, I > > would greatly appreciate the help. My > father thinks they might have been > from > > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as > he did go to visit relatives > there > > often. > > Thank you kindly, > > Erin T. 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Bev, Erin and all you good people: Genealogy, like politics, is LOCAL. Dead ends are most often solved in the records and materials to be found in the counties where the ancestor lived through life. So, where, where, where is your avenue to leads. Start with the county websites of that ancestor and see what they have provided there, spend the $10-$12 to join the little genealogical society at that place, pose queries, and gain their help, all the while exhausting your other sources. Those people, of all other strangers, are most likely to have info about your family. To do otherwise and set yourself adrift in the vast internet ocean hoping for answers is akin to taking a shot at the woods in the hope of bagging breakfast. ----- Original Message ----- From: Erin T. Crowe To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA Bev, I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl have responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on the Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means many more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. Thank you so much for taking the time, Erin T. Crowe > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been fairly > prominent. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Dear Listers, > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there > often. > Thank you kindly, > Erin T. Crowe > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Bev, I have tried the newspapers, but I will be at it again as so many ppl have responded & found my great grandfather & my great great grandfather on the Census for Rockingham Co, VA. Now I have many more names which means many more leads....More detective work. Woo Hoo. Thank you so much for taking the time, Erin T. Crowe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ms2001@aol.com> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been fairly > prominent. > > Bev > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA > Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net > Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Dear Listers, > My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative > exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was > Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt > 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio > and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a > story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he > got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my > father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every > variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first > name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he > didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the > house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 > in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! > children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph > Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death > record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on > the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. > Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that > appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this > time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line > numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I > would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from > the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there > often. > Thank you kindly, > Erin T. Crowe > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Try the newspapers for that area. A story like that should have been fairly prominent. Bev ========Original Message======== Subj: [VAROOTS] Harry Crow(e) born abt 1890 VA Date: 1/4/2004 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Poetrywaif@comcast.net Reply-to: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Dear Listers, My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there often. Thank you kindly, Erin T. Crowe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have received word that I may share this with other lists so here is some info that I hope with help others. Beej Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:47:44 -0800 From: "Carolyn McDaniel" <cmacdee@centurytel.net> Subject: [AMXROADS] Hampshire-Mineral County, Virginia (now) WVA The Hampshire-Mineral county USGenweb site has put together some good, searchable records, including importantly, Sims Index to Hampshire Land Grants 1763- 1866. Hampshire was created from Frederick and Augusta Counties. Frederick from Orange. You might want to take a look at George Washington's Journey over the mountains on our Potomac Perimeter pages as you think about the families who settled Hampshire county. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Potomac/index.html >From a brief history included on the Mineral pages: "Mineral County was created by an act of the General Assembly on February 1, 1866, from parts of Hampshire County. The county was named in honor of the abundant minerals located in the county. "John Lederer, a German physician and explorer employed by Sir William Berkeley, colonial governor of Virginia, was the first Englishman to set foot in present day Mineral County. Heexplored the area in 1669. One of the earliest settlers in the county was a farmer named Brown. He entertained George Washington in his cabin when Washington passed through the county in 1748 on behalf of the Ohio Company, a land investment company. In 1755, Colonel George Washington gave the order to build a stockade and fort on the east side of Patterson's Creek, at the present site of Frankfort. The Fort (later called Ashby's Fort, in honor of Colonel John Ashby who commanded the militia there for many years) served as part of the colonists' line of defense during the French and Indian Wars (1754-1763). "Part of the land where the county seat, Keyser, is located was originally purchased from Lord Fairfax by Christopher Beelor in 1752. He became the town's first, permanent English settler, but a band of Indians forced him to abandon the area in 1773. He died in 1774 and his widow, Mary, inherited the land and soon afterward returned with her new husband, George Kyger. When her second husband died in 1807, she fold the farm to James Mosley of Baltimore for 2,000 pounds. The other part of the land on which Keyser is currently located was originally owned by Abram Inskeep. He granted it Patrick McCarthy in 1802. McCarthy was one of the earliest settlers in the area, arriving in 1780. After he bought the land, the area became known as Paddy's Town. The McCarthy family soon became the most prominent in the region, owning and operating the general store, several mills and an iron foundry. In 1852, the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad extended into the region and the town's name was changed to New Creek. During the Civil War, Keyser served as a key supply point and reportedly changed hands 14 times between 1861 and 1864. The town's name was changed to Keyser to honor William Keyser, vice-president of the railroad, when it was incorporated in 1874. "Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincoln's mother, was born on the Doll farm on Mike's Run, near Keyser." "This information was compiled by: Dr. Robert Jay Dilger, Director, Institute for Public Affairs at West Virginia University. Special thanks to Dr. Dilger for granting permission to use his information." http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvminera/mineral.htm Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn

Dear Listers, My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there often. Thank you kindly, Erin T. Crowe

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What is the site? Pat > > This site has information on Poor Houses, Infirmaries, etc. Jerry > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Re: Places to look for ancestors names > > > Where can these records be found? Are they in Probate > Court? > > Barb Marshall > > PasaPeruva@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Has anybody gone through the Records of Commitment for The Insane? No > > kidding. These records often give names of relatives, doctors, neighbors. > > Often you can find a copy of the petition for hearing and commitment. > > This can give you a real insight into the families and individuals who > > often were called on to give witness to the person's condition. > > There are also the Poor House records where older people are put when no > one > > wants to care for them. Kind of like what happens to older people put > into a > > nursing home these days. I know that I have found some of my ancestors > listed > > in the Henry Co.,IN Poor House listings. They could even put orphans there > > and work in the farm end of things and ease the salary paying end of > things, > > they earn their keep that way. Beej > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Almost universally and before the myriad social agencies we now have had come upon the scene, commitments of citizens originated with a complaint and "affidavit of lunacy" at the county level, the same tendered to a court of general jurisdiction in that state/county. Following that the court would order a hearing and additional affidavits or testimony as he saw fit, as to the truth of the allegations, and if he found "good cause" to believe that the person was a danger to herself, her family, or others, he would "commit" through an "order of commitment". Then the "patient" was taken voluntarily or not so, to whatever institution the court had found appropriate and convenient and was there kept till further hearing and evidence, originated by the family, interested parties, or by the institution, led to a finding that the patient was "cured" sufficiently to no longer be a danger to anyone, especially her family. I have usually found such records from the 19th Century or earlier in the archives of that states, and in some instances yet in the records of the institutions. Notice that quite generally you must establish with the court or institution some measure of kinship before you will be allowed to peruse those records. Such records are extremely interesting. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb Marshall To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Re: Places to look for ancestors names Where can these records be found? Are they in Probate Court? Barb Marshall PasaPeruva@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Has anybody gone through the Records of Commitment for The Insane? No > kidding. These records often give names of relatives, doctors, neighbors. > Often you can find a copy of the petition for hearing and commitment. > This can give you a real insight into the families and individuals who > often were called on to give witness to the person's condition. > There are also the Poor House records where older people are put when no one > wants to care for them. Kind of like what happens to older people put into a > nursing home these days. I know that I have found some of my ancestors listed > in the Henry Co.,IN Poor House listings. They could even put orphans there > and work in the farm end of things and ease the salary paying end of things, > they earn their keep that way. Beej > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

yep; got it. ----- Original Message ----- From: PasaPeruva@aol.com To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: TEST In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:18 -0500 From: Donna Garland <darlingarlin@adelphia.net> To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAROOTS] test? is anyone out there getting my mail? i keep getting my mail back saying address unknown? There was a similar problem on the Indiana list several of us had and we were directed to the administrator as they are the ones to address this issue and get it cleared up. I don't know what causes it but when brought to their attention it can be cleared up. Beej ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This site has information on Poor Houses, Infirmaries, etc. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: Barb Marshall [mailto:marchado@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:28 PM To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Re: Places to look for ancestors names Where can these records be found? Are they in Probate Court? Barb Marshall PasaPeruva@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Has anybody gone through the Records of Commitment for The Insane? No > kidding. These records often give names of relatives, doctors, neighbors. > Often you can find a copy of the petition for hearing and commitment. > This can give you a real insight into the families and individuals who > often were called on to give witness to the person's condition. > There are also the Poor House records where older people are put when no one > wants to care for them. Kind of like what happens to older people put into a > nursing home these days. I know that I have found some of my ancestors listed > in the Henry Co.,IN Poor House listings. They could even put orphans there > and work in the farm end of things and ease the salary paying end of things, > they earn their keep that way. Beej > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

OK in IL. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PasaPeruva@aol.com> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: TEST > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:18 -0500 > From: Donna Garland <darlingarlin@adelphia.net> > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VAROOTS] test? > > is anyone out there getting my mail? i keep getting my mail back saying > address unknown? > There was a similar problem on the Indiana list several of us had and we were > directed to the administrator as they are the ones to address this issue and > get it cleared up. I don't know what causes it but when brought to their > attention it can be cleared up. Beej > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

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In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:18 -0500 From: Donna Garland <darlingarlin@adelphia.net> To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAROOTS] test? is anyone out there getting my mail? i keep getting my mail back saying address unknown? There was a similar problem on the Indiana list several of us had and we were directed to the administrator as they are the ones to address this issue and get it cleared up. I don't know what causes it but when brought to their attention it can be cleared up. Beej

In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Has anybody gone through the Records of Commitment for The Insane? No kidding. These records often give names of relatives, doctors, neighbors. Often you can find a copy of the petition for hearing and commitment. This can give you a real insight into the families and individuals who often were called on to give witness to the person's condition. There are also the Poor House records where older people are put when no one wants to care for them. Kind of like what happens to older people put into a nursing home these days. I know that I have found some of my ancestors listed in the Henry Co.,IN Poor House listings. They could even put orphans there and work in the farm end of things and ease the salary paying end of things, they earn their keep that way. Beej

I got your message at 2:15 on Jan. 3rd. Pat in TX From: <PasaPeruva@aol.com> To: <VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: TEST > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:18 -0500 > From: Donna Garland <darlingarlin@adelphia.net> > To: VAROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VAROOTS] test? > > is anyone out there getting my mail? i keep getting my mail back saying > address unknown? > There was a similar problem on the Indiana list several of us had and we were > directed to the administrator as they are the ones to address this issue and > get it cleared up. I don't know what causes it but when brought to their > attention it can be cleared up. Beej > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Where would you find these records? Pat in TX > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Has anybody gone through the Records of Commitment for The Insane? No > kidding. These records often give names of relatives, doctors, neighbors. > Often you can find a copy of the petition for hearing and commitment. > This can give you a real insight into the families and individuals who > often were called on to give witness to the person's condition. > There are also the Poor House records where older people are put when no one > wants to care for them. Kind of like what happens to older people put into a > nursing home these days. I know that I have found some of my ancestors listed > in the Henry Co.,IN Poor House listings. They could even put orphans there > and work in the farm end of things and ease the salary paying end of things, > they earn their keep that way. Beej > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Where can these records be found? Are they in Probate Court? Barb Marshall PasaPeruva@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/2/04 8:10:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > VAROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Has anybody gone through the Records of Commitment for The Insane? No > kidding. These records often give names of relatives, doctors, neighbors. > Often you can find a copy of the petition for hearing and commitment. > This can give you a real insight into the families and individuals who > often were called on to give witness to the person's condition. > There are also the Poor House records where older people are put when no one > wants to care for them. Kind of like what happens to older people put into a > nursing home these days. I know that I have found some of my ancestors listed > in the Henry Co.,IN Poor House listings. They could even put orphans there > and work in the farm end of things and ease the salary paying end of things, > they earn their keep that way. Beej > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thank you all for your answers. Steve and Bunny ----- Original Message ----- From: <PSpiker27@aol.com> To: <VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [VASHENAN] Tax List question - 1799 Personal Property > The question regarding the 1799 PPT for Shenandoah Co VA is answered on > another page of the microfilm images of this list. [My images are from Shenandoah > County Reel 315: 1782-1799 Shenandoah Co Personal Property Tax] > > (2nd) [nd is superscript ] On no image of this list is the 2nd identified. > No of Captains > 1 Isaac Goare > 2 William Bird > 3 John Hup > 4 George Rinker > 5 Christian Hoffman > 6 George Fravel > 7 Frederick Parrot > 8 Abraham Snapp > 9 Philip Spengler > 10 John Colvill > > This is the only page that identifies this list as List No. 2. On no page is > it identified as List B. > This list is identified on various pages as > Young's Certificate > Jos Young > Young's District > > Then close to the last image: > Shenandoah County Tax > I Phillip Williams Clerk of the > said County Court so hereby certify that the fore- > going List is a true copy from the vouchers > returned into my office by Joseph Young one of the Commissioners of the > Commissioners of the taxes for the said > County given under my hand this 10th day of > May 1800. > Test > P Williams > > Errors Excepted > Joseph Young C. T. S. Cty. > > At this time were not all males 16 and older, unless exempted, assigned to a > militia unit? The heading of the column between the day of the month and the > name of taxable is clearly on most pages Capt [sometimes the line to cross > the t started to the left of the p. Page 14 indeed has "studs" in this same > column. I'd say not to worry. We all make mistakes and this, surely, is the > copyist's mind wandering! > > The other list for the same year has a written A on the typed title page > "Property Book for the Year 1799". The next page starts the list and has above > the chart headings A List of Tithables & Taxable property within the District > of the 97th Regiment Shenandoah County Taken by William Jennings one of the > Commissioners for the Said County 1788. > On no image of This list of Jennings is List "A" seen. > > Added note: Citation recommendation - Use both the Commissioner's name as > well as the alpha/number on a list. > > > ==== VASHENAN Mailing List ==== > Shenandoah Co VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html >