Hi, Hugh. I am almost sure she is here, and quietly sitting on the sidelines. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Jefferson To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] Margaret Driscoll Paul, where is Margaret Driscoll? She was a delightful and vital contrbutor to the list...I miss her! Hugh in Dallas ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005

Paul, where is Margaret Driscoll? She was a delightful and vital contrbutor to the list...I miss her! Hugh in Dallas

Thanks to Paul and Sharon whom in eclectic express information passed down to my grandmas from their grandfathers. As a curiosity, two years ago while searching for cemeteries in rural Arkansas I passed through several small communities all displaying one or two versions of the rebel flags. I didn't stop to ask anyone about why so many flags were displayed in a ten mile area, but evidently after 150 years sentiments for the southern cause still runs deep. It is curious however that in our Arkansas and Tennessee families, brothers fought on both sides. That is one of the downsides of any war on American soil. Don Kelly, direct descendent of ancestors and their brothers who were veterans active in Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas and Texas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] Explanation; history > It was not my intention to commence any discussion of the pros and cons of > the Civil War; that war is long in the past. It was my intention to > answer questions, one from this fine website, as to the true history of > the banners, and to display the photo of the AR Confederate Veterans > parade of 1911 in which there were NO battle flags to be seen. For that > parade, see my website - www.DrakesBooks.com > > The battle flag was never a National flag of the Confederacy, and the > people of the Old South - including my VA and NC ancestors and immediate > family - did not ever use it as such. It was, instead, employed and > designed to be a rallying point for men in actual combat because it was so > very visible even through the smoke and haze of the battlefield. In the > din of battle men become confused, turned around, and often lost within > the foray. So it is that all men in all wars have had such a place of > rally to which they might go. > > The flag which represented the Southern nation varied slightly, and there > were three, the 1st - "Stars and Bars", the second "Stars and Bars > revised", and the third National flag (a St. Andrews Cross on a field of > white) ordained by the legislature very near the end of the war. Of those, > the "Stars and Bars" was the most widely displayed by far, and it was the > symbol of the Confederate States and known by all citizens and soldiers > alike to be that. > > Unfortunately, though the battle flag was readily visible and so became a > well-known rallying point for men engaged in actual combat, that once > honorable symbol was seized upon for use by the Ku Klux Klan, and thus > became a symbol of hate. It is that flag that is despised by many in our > society, and in my view, since it never was displayed by MY Southern > people other than in combat, it should not now be treated as though it > did. > > Where are my loyalties? I am a charter member and past Commander of our > "Sons of Confederate Veterans" (SCV) Post, and hold the combat medal of > that organization for my own military service. Our post, as with many > across the nation, adopted the "Stars and Bars" as our symbol, and we do > not display the Battle flag without explanation as given here. > > Paul > > For those who would like to know more and see the flags, take a look at > this URL > http://worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/usa/confed.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Disbennett > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:50 PM > Subject: [OHPICKAW] Southern "RedNecks" > > > I am from the south; and I take offense in the comment that " rednecks > and > rabble rousers" thrust that battle symbol in the face of Afro-Americans > and > others sensitive to the evils that misunderstanding of the Southern cause > brought about." Where I am from, an equal amount of "Afro-Americans also > display this flag as part of our heritage. > There is a new t-shirt that some of us have decided to start wearing for > just this reason. It has the "Battle Flag" (as you call it ) on it with > the > simple words "If this flag offends you, You need a history lesson". > I suppose the fact that we say "Ya'll" also offends you! > > > ==== OHPICKAW Mailing List ==== > OHGenWeb Pickaway County, Ohio Website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohpickaw/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: > 11/16/2005 > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

here is the reference I have: Diane Popek, Tracks Along the Staunton, Altavista Printing Co., Altavista, Virginia, 1984 Whether or not Altavista is yet in business, I do not know, however were I you, I would search www.addall.com for that volume. If you do not find it, let me know; I will look elsewhere Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: DOC HURT To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Explanation; history Hey Paul, Simce you are in the book business, came you tel me where I can find the book, Tracks Along The Staunton by Diane Popek. Thanks Happy Hunting doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] Explanation; history > It was not my intention to commence any discussion of the pros and cons of > the Civil War; that war is long in the past. It was my intention to > answer questions, one from this fine website, as to the true history of > the banners, and to display the photo of the AR Confederate Veterans > parade of 1911 in which there were NO battle flags to be seen. For that > parade, see my website - www.DrakesBooks.com > > The battle flag was never a National flag of the Confederacy, and the > people of the Old South - including my VA and NC ancestors and immediate > family - did not ever use it as such. It was, instead, employed and > designed to be a rallying point for men in actual combat because it was so > very visible even through the smoke and haze of the battlefield. In the > din of battle men become confused, turned around, and often lost within > the foray. So it is that all men in all wars have had such a place of > rally to which they might go. > > The flag which represented the Southern nation varied slightly, and there > were three, the 1st - "Stars and Bars", the second "Stars and Bars > revised", and the third National flag (a St. Andrews Cross on a field of > white) ordained by the legislature very near the end of the war. Of those, > the "Stars and Bars" was the most widely displayed by far, and it was the > symbol of the Confederate States and known by all citizens and soldiers > alike to be that. > > Unfortunately, though the battle flag was readily visible and so became a > well-known rallying point for men engaged in actual combat, that once > honorable symbol was seized upon for use by the Ku Klux Klan, and thus > became a symbol of hate. It is that flag that is despised by many in our > society, and in my view, since it never was displayed by MY Southern > people other than in combat, it should not now be treated as though it > did. > > Where are my loyalties? I am a charter member and past Commander of our > "Sons of Confederate Veterans" (SCV) Post, and hold the combat medal of > that organization for my own military service. Our post, as with many > across the nation, adopted the "Stars and Bars" as our symbol, and we do > not display the Battle flag without explanation as given here. > > Paul > > For those who would like to know more and see the flags, take a look at > this URL > http://worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/usa/confed.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Disbennett > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:50 PM > Subject: [OHPICKAW] Southern "RedNecks" > > > I am from the south; and I take offense in the comment that " rednecks > and > rabble rousers" thrust that battle symbol in the face of Afro-Americans > and > others sensitive to the evils that misunderstanding of the Southern cause > brought about." Where I am from, an equal amount of "Afro-Americans also > display this flag as part of our heritage. > There is a new t-shirt that some of us have decided to start wearing for > just this reason. It has the "Battle Flag" (as you call it ) on it with > the > simple words "If this flag offends you, You need a history lesson". > I suppose the fact that we say "Ya'll" also offends you! > > > ==== OHPICKAW Mailing List ==== > OHGenWeb Pickaway County, Ohio Website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohpickaw/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: > 11/16/2005 > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005

It was not my intention to commence any discussion of the pros and cons of the Civil War; that war is long in the past. It was my intention to answer questions, one from this fine website, as to the true history of the banners, and to display the photo of the AR Confederate Veterans parade of 1911 in which there were NO battle flags to be seen. For that parade, see my website - www.DrakesBooks.com The battle flag was never a National flag of the Confederacy, and the people of the Old South - including my VA and NC ancestors and immediate family - did not ever use it as such. It was, instead, employed and designed to be a rallying point for men in actual combat because it was so very visible even through the smoke and haze of the battlefield. In the din of battle men become confused, turned around, and often lost within the foray. So it is that all men in all wars have had such a place of rally to which they might go. The flag which represented the Southern nation varied slightly, and there were three, the 1st - "Stars and Bars", the second "Stars and Bars revised", and the third National flag (a St. Andrews Cross on a field of white) ordained by the legislature very near the end of the war. Of those, the "Stars and Bars" was the most widely displayed by far, and it was the symbol of the Confederate States and known by all citizens and soldiers alike to be that. Unfortunately, though the battle flag was readily visible and so became a well-known rallying point for men engaged in actual combat, that once honorable symbol was seized upon for use by the Ku Klux Klan, and thus became a symbol of hate. It is that flag that is despised by many in our society, and in my view, since it never was displayed by MY Southern people other than in combat, it should not now be treated as though it did. Where are my loyalties? I am a charter member and past Commander of our "Sons of Confederate Veterans" (SCV) Post, and hold the combat medal of that organization for my own military service. Our post, as with many across the nation, adopted the "Stars and Bars" as our symbol, and we do not display the Battle flag without explanation as given here. Paul For those who would like to know more and see the flags, take a look at this URL http://worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/usa/confed.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Disbennett To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: [OHPICKAW] Southern "RedNecks" I am from the south; and I take offense in the comment that " rednecks and rabble rousers" thrust that battle symbol in the face of Afro-Americans and others sensitive to the evils that misunderstanding of the Southern cause brought about." Where I am from, an equal amount of "Afro-Americans also display this flag as part of our heritage. There is a new t-shirt that some of us have decided to start wearing for just this reason. It has the "Battle Flag" (as you call it ) on it with the simple words "If this flag offends you, You need a history lesson". I suppose the fact that we say "Ya'll" also offends you! ==== OHPICKAW Mailing List ==== OHGenWeb Pickaway County, Ohio Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohpickaw/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005

Hey Paul, Simce you are in the book business, came you tel me where I can find the book, Tracks Along The Staunton by Diane Popek. Thanks Happy Hunting doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] Explanation; history > It was not my intention to commence any discussion of the pros and cons of > the Civil War; that war is long in the past. It was my intention to > answer questions, one from this fine website, as to the true history of > the banners, and to display the photo of the AR Confederate Veterans > parade of 1911 in which there were NO battle flags to be seen. For that > parade, see my website - www.DrakesBooks.com > > The battle flag was never a National flag of the Confederacy, and the > people of the Old South - including my VA and NC ancestors and immediate > family - did not ever use it as such. It was, instead, employed and > designed to be a rallying point for men in actual combat because it was so > very visible even through the smoke and haze of the battlefield. In the > din of battle men become confused, turned around, and often lost within > the foray. So it is that all men in all wars have had such a place of > rally to which they might go. > > The flag which represented the Southern nation varied slightly, and there > were three, the 1st - "Stars and Bars", the second "Stars and Bars > revised", and the third National flag (a St. Andrews Cross on a field of > white) ordained by the legislature very near the end of the war. Of those, > the "Stars and Bars" was the most widely displayed by far, and it was the > symbol of the Confederate States and known by all citizens and soldiers > alike to be that. > > Unfortunately, though the battle flag was readily visible and so became a > well-known rallying point for men engaged in actual combat, that once > honorable symbol was seized upon for use by the Ku Klux Klan, and thus > became a symbol of hate. It is that flag that is despised by many in our > society, and in my view, since it never was displayed by MY Southern > people other than in combat, it should not now be treated as though it > did. > > Where are my loyalties? I am a charter member and past Commander of our > "Sons of Confederate Veterans" (SCV) Post, and hold the combat medal of > that organization for my own military service. Our post, as with many > across the nation, adopted the "Stars and Bars" as our symbol, and we do > not display the Battle flag without explanation as given here. > > Paul > > For those who would like to know more and see the flags, take a look at > this URL > http://worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/usa/confed.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Disbennett > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:50 PM > Subject: [OHPICKAW] Southern "RedNecks" > > > I am from the south; and I take offense in the comment that " rednecks > and > rabble rousers" thrust that battle symbol in the face of Afro-Americans > and > others sensitive to the evils that misunderstanding of the Southern cause > brought about." Where I am from, an equal amount of "Afro-Americans also > display this flag as part of our heritage. > There is a new t-shirt that some of us have decided to start wearing for > just this reason. It has the "Battle Flag" (as you call it ) on it with > the > simple words "If this flag offends you, You need a history lesson". > I suppose the fact that we say "Ya'll" also offends you! > > > ==== OHPICKAW Mailing List ==== > OHGenWeb Pickaway County, Ohio Website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohpickaw/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: > 11/16/2005 > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I was raised that if I would walk one mile in another person shoes that has been in very hard times, in battles of North, South, Indian or World Wars. I should not critisize anothers intentions, beiefs, reasons for what ever. We all bleed the same color of red blood, The Creator made each of us as individuals to see, talk, reason in our own desires. The saying also is those that live in glass houses should not thro the first stone. If we read and reason of past documents everyone that wrote a paper was right bar none. It is all in interpetation and no one does that in the same vain or thought. I leave my soap box and will not comment further. End discussion for me. Thank you Paul for your original piece on the Flag that is traditional with the South. Me I was born and bred in the north, IN. My ancestors were on both sides so who is to decry the right or wrong of the subject. Sorry I stumbled on my box. Beej

Obviously, I missed something here, the prelude to PasaPeruva reply. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: VAROOTS-D Digest V05:Flags of counties,battles,countries >I was raised that if I would walk one mile in another person shoes that has > been in very hard times, in battles of North, South, Indian or World Wars. > I > should not critisize anothers intentions, beiefs, reasons for what ever. > We > all bleed the same color of red blood, The Creator made each of us as > individuals to see, talk, reason in our own desires. > The saying also is those that live in glass houses should not thro the > first > stone. > If we read and reason of past documents everyone that wrote a paper was > right bar none. > It is all in interpetation and no one does that in the same vain or > thought. > I leave my soap box and will not comment further. End discussion for me. > Thank you Paul for your original piece on the Flag that is traditional > with > the South. Me I was born and bred in the north, IN. My ancestors were > on > both sides so who is to decry the right or wrong of the subject. Sorry > I > stumbled on my box. Beej > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

It was not nor will it ever be my intention to open ANY debate about the Civil War, its motivations, causes, results and places in history. For those who feel my comments inflammatory, I am sorry. Believing that all of history has a place in genealogy, it was my intention to relate to those who may be unaware of the fact that the flag of the Confederate States was not what we know as the battle flag, and those who were citizens of the CSA well knew that. There my comments ended, and there should those end. Paul

The so called Confederate flag is also known popularly as the "Stars and Bars." Around these here parts, they just call it the "Rebel Flag." Historians are fond of saying that it takes an average of 100 years for the issues motivating any war anywhere to be somewhat resolved. The Civil War still wages on in America (moreso south of the Mason-Dixon line). The Stars and Bars or the Rebel Flag or the Confederate Flag is a popular bumper sticker, tatoo, t-shirt logo, and it flies over houses and pickup trucks and in some of the most interestingly unlikely places. "Dixie" is and probably always will be more popular than "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" in a significant portion of the country. All of this is no problem for me...to each his own delusions. Just thought I would interject a note of reality concerning pop culture in America in 2005, lest we start counting how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :-) > [Original Message] > From: Paul Drake <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 11/16/2005 5:30:19 PM > Subject: [VAROOTS] > > I have been asked about and have seen several discussions about why some people in the "South" insist on defiantly displaying "the Confederate Flag". > > In short, the South (whatever that is) doesn't display it !! What you have been seeing is the "Battle Flag", a banner seen in the heat of battle upon which troops might rally, which banner was NEVER the flag of the Confederate Nation, and did not represent the citizens of the Southern States. > > Only in the last half of the 20th Century have rednecks and rabble rousers thrust that battle symbol - the St. Andrews Cross standing alone - in the face of Afro-Americans and others sensitive to the evils that misunderstanding of the Southern cause brought about. > > Unless I am mistaken, I believe that there are no photos of Lee, Davis, or any other high ranking Southerners with the Battle Flag. As witness thereto, at my website I have posted a photo of a 1911 Little Rock, AR parade of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV). Look at it closely; there are NO battle flags displayed by anyone at that event, yet no one could credit their earlier loyalty to the South. You will there find what the South considered its flag alongside the Stars and Stripes of the U.S., the battle flag being conspicuous in its absence. > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

PAUL. I AGREE COMPLETELY. I WAS BORN IN MAINE AND LEARNED THAT IN GRADE SCHOOL LISA -------Original Message------- From: Paul Drake Date: 11/16/05 16:24:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: It was not nor will it ever be my intention to open ANY debate about the Civil War, its motivations, causes, results and places in history. For those who feel my comments inflammatory, I am sorry. Believing that all of history has a place in genealogy, it was my intention to relate to those who may be unaware of the fact that the flag of the Confederate States was not what we know as the battle flag, and those who were citizens of the CSA well knew that. There my comments ended, and there should those end. Paul ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005

I have been asked about and have seen several discussions about why some people in the "South" insist on defiantly displaying "the Confederate Flag". In short, the South (whatever that is) doesn't display it !! What you have been seeing is the "Battle Flag", a banner seen in the heat of battle upon which troops might rally, which banner was NEVER the flag of the Confederate Nation, and did not represent the citizens of the Southern States. Only in the last half of the 20th Century have rednecks and rabble rousers thrust that battle symbol - the St. Andrews Cross standing alone - in the face of Afro-Americans and others sensitive to the evils that misunderstanding of the Southern cause brought about. Unless I am mistaken, I believe that there are no photos of Lee, Davis, or any other high ranking Southerners with the Battle Flag. As witness thereto, at my website I have posted a photo of a 1911 Little Rock, AR parade of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV). Look at it closely; there are NO battle flags displayed by anyone at that event, yet no one could credit their earlier loyalty to the South. You will there find what the South considered its flag alongside the Stars and Stripes of the U.S., the battle flag being conspicuous in its absence. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

Too bad the various states aren't doing this for the public . . . but that's why we have capitalism. State of FL has done an excellent job of putting their data on the web, for free. Next time you visit there, make a note to send a thank you note to the State's Division of Archives and the Secretary of State. Bob Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrell Oakley Teat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [VAROOTS] FW: [ROOTS-L] WWI Draft Cards Free from Nov. 12-25, 2005 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ROOTS-L] WWI Draft Cards Free from Nov. 12-25, 2005 > > > Hello All, > Ancestry has completed indexing and digitizing nearly 24 million World > War One Draft Registration Cards (1917-1918). To celebrate they are > offering free access to this database with registration (your name and > email address) from November 12-25, 2005. To take advantage of this > offer you must go to the webpage below and click on the WWI Draft Cards > link near the top... > > Online World War One Indexes & Records > http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/ > > Feel free to share this post with other genealogy mailing lists you are > subscribed to. > > Good luck with your searches. > > Regards, > Joe > > -- > Online Military Indexes & Records > http://www.militaryindexes.com/ > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

-----Original Message----- From: Larry Jeffers [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAROOTS] Sage/French Hello, my name is robin,does any one know about These two people.The only thing i have is a marriage record. William Sage 27,widow s/o James M. and julia sage married Lottie French 19, d/o D.W and Martha French.Married 11-11-1902. Married in wahsington co. va Thanks Robin ( Sage ) Jeffers ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of joe Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ROOTS-L] WWI Draft Cards Free from Nov. 12-25, 2005 Hello All, Ancestry has completed indexing and digitizing nearly 24 million World War One Draft Registration Cards (1917-1918). To celebrate they are offering free access to this database with registration (your name and email address) from November 12-25, 2005. To take advantage of this offer you must go to the webpage below and click on the WWI Draft Cards link near the top... Online World War One Indexes & Records http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/ Feel free to share this post with other genealogy mailing lists you are subscribed to. Good luck with your searches. Regards, Joe -- Online Military Indexes & Records http://www.militaryindexes.com/

I saw this on another site and thought I would pass it along -- ".the LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the Family History books in their collection. These are primarily books in the "929.273Series" that are currently housed on the first floor of the Family History Library (previously housed on the fourth floor of the Joseph Smith Memorial Building). At the present time (September 2005), about 5000 books have been digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. Copyright issues are playing a role in determining the order in which they progress through this task; books out of copyright are being done first." Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU http://www.lib.byu.edu/ , then on the home page, follow the links: Find Other Materials; Electronic; On Line Collections at BYU; Text Collections tab; Family History Archive from the list of collections that are displayed. The search box on the left seems to be the one to find your books and the search box on the right is for searching within the pages on the screen.

Paul, Wouldn't George's mother say he was born on Feb. 11th, 1731? He's my 4th cousin, by the way. Bob Juch http://www.Juch.org -----Original Message----- From: Paul Drake [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: Old Style and New Style Dates For consideration along with the fine article mentioned by Mr. Tarter, it should be remembered by all that the several number formulas from which one is supposed to be able to calculate birth dates from headstone inscriptions giving ages in days, months, and years do NOT work with precision if the decedent was born before Sept 14, 1752. So, those who desire to know a precise birthday of an ancestor must compensate for the removal of the 12 days that took place on that date. As that article observes, the differences are of little moment to the casual researcher or writer. Still, it is interesting, however, that were one to ask George Washington's mother when he was born, she would say that the date was Feb. 22, 1731, yet our history books give that birth year as 1732. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

For consideration along with the fine article mentioned by Mr. Tarter, it should be remembered by all that the several number formulas from which one is supposed to be able to calculate birth dates from headstone inscriptions giving ages in days, months, and years do NOT work with precision if the decedent was born before Sept 14, 1752. So, those who desire to know a precise birthday of an ancestor must compensate for the removal of the 12 days that took place on that date. As that article observes, the differences are of little moment to the casual researcher or writer. Still, it is interesting, however, that were one to ask George Washington's mother when he was born, she would say that the date was Feb. 22, 1731, yet our history books give that birth year as 1732. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

I have been asked by Lynn to show a real document revealing how the "Old Calendar" (OS) was distinguished from the "New Calendar" (NS) in legal writings of the last years of the 17th and first half of the 18th Centuries. I have posted one such deed on my webpage; click (or paste)my URL below, then click on the words "Document of the Month" at the bottom of that webpage. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

I would like to know the date of the map of the East Wagon Roads. William Thomas Purcell, Jr.