Hi Paul, How do I know where to look? Which ones? christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > Parish records are the most overlooked of all local records, though those > reveal a world about the activities of the parishioners and the neighbors > of your people. I honestly do not think anyone can say they have search > without reading all registers/vestry records that remain for the "wheres" > of an ancestor. That applies equally to ALL extant church records for the > same areas. > Religion was a very large part of the daily lives of our people. > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > Hi Paul, > > Seems awhile back I did a quick search via online and found a Frances > Hutchins in Nansemond parish somewhere but cant recall now. But it was a > male not female. I recall awhile back some info on the list about > parishes. > > christy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? > > > > Paul Drake JD > > Genealogist & Author > > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > > 931-484-9129 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cristy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > Hi Joyce. > > > > I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other > > variations > > such as Hudgins or other. > > I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but > > on > > his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to > > Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his > > marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. > > > > > > christy > > christy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > > Christy What are their names? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? > My > > main > > > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > > > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them > on > > > the > > > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after > her > > > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census > > anywhere. > > > I > > > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that > is > > all > > > I > > > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate > but > > not > > > found him either. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > christy > > > > > > thanks, > > > christy > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > > ancestors > > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. 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Those volumes/records named appear in the better libraries, the VA archives, and in many county libraries in which those parishes existed. Also check LDS. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Mims To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall How do you find these records, Paul? Pat > Parish records are the most overlooked of all local records, though those > reveal a world about the activities of the parishioners and the neighbors > of your people. I honestly do not think anyone can say they have search > without reading all registers/vestry records that remain for the "wheres" > of an ancestor. That applies equally to ALL extant church records for the > same areas. > Religion was a very large part of the daily lives of our people. > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > Hi Paul, > > Seems awhile back I did a quick search via online and found a Frances > Hutchins in Nansemond parish somewhere but cant recall now. But it was a > male not female. I recall awhile back some info on the list about > parishes. > > christy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? > > > > Paul Drake JD > > Genealogist & Author > > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > > 931-484-9129 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cristy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > Hi Joyce. > > > > I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other > > variations > > such as Hudgins or other. > > I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but > > on > > his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to > > Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his > > marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. > > > > > > christy > > christy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > > Christy What are their names? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? > My > > main > > > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > > > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them > on > > > the > > > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after > her > > > husband supposedly died. 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How do you find these records, Paul? Pat > Parish records are the most overlooked of all local records, though those > reveal a world about the activities of the parishioners and the neighbors > of your people. I honestly do not think anyone can say they have search > without reading all registers/vestry records that remain for the "wheres" > of an ancestor. That applies equally to ALL extant church records for the > same areas. > Religion was a very large part of the daily lives of our people. > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > Hi Paul, > > Seems awhile back I did a quick search via online and found a Frances > Hutchins in Nansemond parish somewhere but cant recall now. But it was a > male not female. I recall awhile back some info on the list about > parishes. > > christy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? > > > > Paul Drake JD > > Genealogist & Author > > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > > 931-484-9129 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cristy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > Hi Joyce. > > > > I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other > > variations > > such as Hudgins or other. > > I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but > > on > > his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to > > Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his > > marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. > > > > > > christy > > christy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > > Christy What are their names? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? > My > > main > > > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > > > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them > on > > > the > > > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after > her > > > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census > > anywhere. > > > I > > > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that > is > > all > > > I > > > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate > but > > not > > > found him either. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > christy > > > > > > thanks, > > > christy > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > > ancestors > > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn > more: > > > > > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > > 11/25/2005 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > 11/25/2005 > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Well, that is what keeps me going. He was supposed to have come over with Lord Baltimore. I really do not know this for sure. I've heard he was from Hamburg, Germany or from the Netherlands or England. I will just keep on looking until I go blind or I find him. hehe Pat ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, Pat. You may have to search and run down ALL the Sapps who appear here > anywhere at the same time that your line first shows up. > > Sometimes brick walls are so strong that one needs to jump over the wall, > go into the years before the wall, and run down EVERY appearance of that > surname to a point where those distant folks are either positively > eliminated or you learn that those appearances justify further study. > > Remember: Though there will be exceptions found, you may be reasonably > sure that the surname you have was that of the man's parents and they > lived some WHERE. > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pat Mims > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:38 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Thanksgiving Started When? > > > My Sapp family came in the 1700's I believe late 1700's but I can't find > much on them earlier than 1799 in VA. It can really be frustrating when > you > know they came on a ship, unless they were extremely strong swimmers, and > there is no record of them. Of course knowing a first name might also be > helpful. (big grin) > Pat Mims > > > > > Hi all and thanks Doug. > > I am surprised by the number of descendants who had ancestors in > Virginia. > > For those of us who's ancestors came to the Virginia Colony around > 1700, > > or perhaps even earlier, records repositories having been burned twice > > find records extant to settlement times extreamly hard to come by. My > > Kelly settled in King and Queen County so if any of you run across any > > kind of records for that county before 1750, please let me know where > they > > are. I am from Alaska and now live in Oregon. > > Have a great holiday all. > > Don Kelly > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:24 AM > > Subject: [VAROOTS] Thanksgiving Started When? > > > > > >>I love this list. It is amazing how one statement of what we think is > >>fact > >> can bring out so many additional pieces of history. We, from > childhood, > >> have > >> been taught "the facts" about things as other people want them to be. > >> The > >> beauty of genealogy which translates, if you having fun doing it, to > >> history of > >> your family and where it lived is learning how things really were. > >> I must admit that being a native Virginian I do chuckle about 1619 vs > >> 1621--especially since our daughter is engaged to a young lad from > Mass. > >> But..at the end of the day what truly counts is how we enjoy each our > >> other, > >> our family and our church. History is History--no more no less. As > usual > >> this > >> Virginian will spend part of Christmas in Va with family, as we have > done > >> for > >> 42 years since the Air Force brought me to Florida. > >> Genealogy is a Blast!! > >> Thanks and Happy Holidays > >> Doug > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > > > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > 11/25/2005 > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

you have to decide in what counties your people lived and look for the parish records for those counties. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: cristy To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall Hi Paul, How do I know where to look? Which ones? christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > Parish records are the most overlooked of all local records, though those > reveal a world about the activities of the parishioners and the neighbors > of your people. I honestly do not think anyone can say they have search > without reading all registers/vestry records that remain for the "wheres" > of an ancestor. That applies equally to ALL extant church records for the > same areas. > Religion was a very large part of the daily lives of our people. > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > Hi Paul, > > Seems awhile back I did a quick search via online and found a Frances > Hutchins in Nansemond parish somewhere but cant recall now. But it was a > male not female. I recall awhile back some info on the list about > parishes. > > christy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? > > > > Paul Drake JD > > Genealogist & Author > > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > > 931-484-9129 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cristy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > Hi Joyce. > > > > I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other > > variations > > such as Hudgins or other. > > I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but > > on > > his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to > > Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his > > marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. > > > > > > christy > > christy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > > Christy What are their names? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? > My > > main > > > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > > > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them > on > > > the > > > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after > her > > > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census > > anywhere. > > > I > > > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that > is > > all > > > I > > > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate > but > > not > > > found him either. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > christy > > > > > > thanks, > > > christy > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > > ancestors > > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn > more: > > > > > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > > 11/25/2005 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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In a message dated 11/25/2005 2:32:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My main line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on the 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census anywhere. I have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is all I know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but not found him either. Christy - There are a number of reasons for him not to be on the census - 1) he died before you think, 2) they temporarily moved somewhere out of state - maybe just over the line into NC? an 3) the name is spelled so badly that you cannot find him. OK 4 - he was just left out! You might try looking for the neighbors shown in the last census and see if by some chance, they are still neighbors to a family that matches his but with a badly spelled surname. Bev

Just as another jumping off place - I went to school with a Robert Sapp in Fairfax County, VA in the 1940's. Knowing how families migrate that might be another area to look. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

My ancestors and my husbands ancestors were from Virginia and we are very proud of our Virginian heritage. We always have two Thanksgivings each year, the one in November and on 4 December in honour of 4 December, 1619. For 4 December Thanksgiving, we will serve Virginia honey baked ham. Karen

Hi Paul, Seems awhile back I did a quick search via online and found a Frances Hutchins in Nansemond parish somewhere but cant recall now. But it was a male not female. I recall awhile back some info on the list about parishes. christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > Hi Joyce. > > I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other > variations > such as Hudgins or other. > I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but > on > his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to > Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his > marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. > > > christy > christy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM > Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > Christy What are their names? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My > main > > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on > > the > > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her > > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census > anywhere. > > I > > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is > all > > I > > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but > not > > found him either. > > > > Thanks, > > christy > > > > thanks, > > christy > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > 11/25/2005 > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Parish records are the most overlooked of all local records, though those reveal a world about the activities of the parishioners and the neighbors of your people. I honestly do not think anyone can say they have search without reading all registers/vestry records that remain for the "wheres" of an ancestor. That applies equally to ALL extant church records for the same areas. Religion was a very large part of the daily lives of our people. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: cristy To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall Hi Paul, Seems awhile back I did a quick search via online and found a Frances Hutchins in Nansemond parish somewhere but cant recall now. But it was a male not female. I recall awhile back some info on the list about parishes. christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? > > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > 931-484-9129 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > Hi Joyce. > > I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other > variations > such as Hudgins or other. > I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but > on > his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to > Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his > marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. > > > christy > christy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM > Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > Christy What are their names? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My > main > > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on > > the > > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her > > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census > anywhere. > > I > > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is > all > > I > > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but > not > > found him either. > > > > Thanks, > > christy > > > > thanks, > > christy > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > 11/25/2005 > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

Hi Joyce. I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other variations such as Hudgins or other. I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but on his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. christy christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > Christy What are their names? > -----Original Message----- > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My main > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on > the > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census anywhere. > I > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is all > I > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but not > found him either. > > Thanks, > christy > > thanks, > christy > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi, Pat. You may have to search and run down ALL the Sapps who appear here anywhere at the same time that your line first shows up. Sometimes brick walls are so strong that one needs to jump over the wall, go into the years before the wall, and run down EVERY appearance of that surname to a point where those distant folks are either positively eliminated or you learn that those appearances justify further study. Remember: Though there will be exceptions found, you may be reasonably sure that the surname you have was that of the man's parents and they lived some WHERE. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Mims To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Thanksgiving Started When? My Sapp family came in the 1700's I believe late 1700's but I can't find much on them earlier than 1799 in VA. It can really be frustrating when you know they came on a ship, unless they were extremely strong swimmers, and there is no record of them. Of course knowing a first name might also be helpful. (big grin) Pat Mims > Hi all and thanks Doug. > I am surprised by the number of descendants who had ancestors in Virginia. > For those of us who's ancestors came to the Virginia Colony around 1700, > or perhaps even earlier, records repositories having been burned twice > find records extant to settlement times extreamly hard to come by. My > Kelly settled in King and Queen County so if any of you run across any > kind of records for that county before 1750, please let me know where they > are. I am from Alaska and now live in Oregon. > Have a great holiday all. > Don Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:24 AM > Subject: [VAROOTS] Thanksgiving Started When? > > >>I love this list. It is amazing how one statement of what we think is >>fact >> can bring out so many additional pieces of history. We, from childhood, >> have >> been taught "the facts" about things as other people want them to be. >> The >> beauty of genealogy which translates, if you having fun doing it, to >> history of >> your family and where it lived is learning how things really were. >> I must admit that being a native Virginian I do chuckle about 1619 vs >> 1621--especially since our daughter is engaged to a young lad from Mass. >> But..at the end of the day what truly counts is how we enjoy each our >> other, >> our family and our church. History is History--no more no less. As usual >> this >> Virginian will spend part of Christmas in Va with family, as we have done >> for >> 42 years since the Air Force brought me to Florida. >> Genealogy is a Blast!! >> Thanks and Happy Holidays >> Doug >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

Instead of arguing and debating which is the true Thanksgiving Day, which I am sure is an important pride issue with some, maybe that time would be better spent with giving Thanks that you have lived yet another day, for your family, for the food on your table, for all that you have and most of all, for being able to discuss genealogy in a free forum such as this. Sincerely, Erin T. Crowe IBSSG Let my kisses fall, Upon your starry eyes, The windows of your soul, Where all true beauty lies.

Hey, Cristy, have you checked the parish registers/vestries ?? Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: cristy To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] brick wall Hi Joyce. I am looking for "William Henry Hutchins/Hutchens could be other variations such as Hudgins or other. I am told it was originally Hutchens and later changed to Hutchins but on his marriage certificate looks like Hutchins to me. He was married to Frances Lasssiter whom was from Nansemond Co, VA. His parents on his marriage certificate listed as Aaron and Frances Hutchins. christy christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Dever" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > Christy What are their names? > -----Original Message----- > From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall > > > I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My main > line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage > license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on > the > 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her > husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census anywhere. > I > have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is all > I > know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but not > found him either. > > Thanks, > christy > > thanks, > christy > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

My Sapp family came in the 1700's I believe late 1700's but I can't find much on them earlier than 1799 in VA. It can really be frustrating when you know they came on a ship, unless they were extremely strong swimmers, and there is no record of them. Of course knowing a first name might also be helpful. (big grin) Pat Mims > Hi all and thanks Doug. > I am surprised by the number of descendants who had ancestors in Virginia. > For those of us who's ancestors came to the Virginia Colony around 1700, > or perhaps even earlier, records repositories having been burned twice > find records extant to settlement times extreamly hard to come by. My > Kelly settled in King and Queen County so if any of you run across any > kind of records for that county before 1750, please let me know where they > are. I am from Alaska and now live in Oregon. > Have a great holiday all. > Don Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:24 AM > Subject: [VAROOTS] Thanksgiving Started When? > > >>I love this list. It is amazing how one statement of what we think is >>fact >> can bring out so many additional pieces of history. We, from childhood, >> have >> been taught "the facts" about things as other people want them to be. >> The >> beauty of genealogy which translates, if you having fun doing it, to >> history of >> your family and where it lived is learning how things really were. >> I must admit that being a native Virginian I do chuckle about 1619 vs >> 1621--especially since our daughter is engaged to a young lad from Mass. >> But..at the end of the day what truly counts is how we enjoy each our >> other, >> our family and our church. History is History--no more no less. As usual >> this >> Virginian will spend part of Christmas in Va with family, as we have done >> for >> 42 years since the Air Force brought me to Florida. >> Genealogy is a Blast!! >> Thanks and Happy Holidays >> Doug >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My main line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on the 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census anywhere. I have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is all I know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but not found him either. Thanks, christy thanks, christy

where did he supposedly die, Cristy ???? Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: cristy To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My main line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on the 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census anywhere. I have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is all I know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but not found him either. Thanks, christy thanks, christy ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

Christy What are their names? -----Original Message----- From: cristy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAROOTS] brick wall I am stuck on my brick wall. Does anyone have a good suggestion? My main line Im searching I only have back to 1868 with a marriage license/certificate having them married in Norfolk, VA. I find them on the 1870 census in Norfolk, VA and then find wife on 1900 census after her husband supposedly died. I cannot find them in the 1880 census anywhere. I have tried various spellings. He supposedly died about 1888, that is all I know. I have his parents names also according to the certificate but not found him either. Thanks, christy thanks, christy ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi, Larry. I find no site that lists the Virginia state censuses and other enumerations except for a fee. Why not check LDS under "books", "Library" or generally. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Chandler To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Virginia STATE Census Greetings, Did the State of Virginia take its own CENSUS between 1867 and 1871 ? If so, where might I be able to view them ? Thanks in advance, Larry ==================================== In HALIFAX COUNTY, Va. seeking Afro-American Brown Byrd Chandler Chappell Lacy Younger. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/181 - Release Date: 11/24/2005

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Our history books certainly look to the earliest colonies, their people, the European (white/anglo) population, and rightly so, as we are an English speaking nation as it worked out. And the history teacher said these early folks were told "go westward young man" and they did and we research and see that they in fact really did for the most part. Here in El Paso, Texas, we also have a history of a different perspective. Down south of us the area had Native Americans or Native Peoples. These folks were conquered by warrior types mainly from Spain. And maybe down there someone told them in Spanish "Go northward young man" and they did. The Spanish warrior/conquistador Juan deOnate and his group came thru the Chihuahua desert northward and when they happily reached the Rio Grande River they held a large Thanksgiving party right here near El Paso. This was in 1598. So, here in our more obscure parts we celebrate that one also, and claim it as the first Thanksgiving. Of course these jokers spoke Spanish so they don't count for most everyone else. But we like our claim. Unfortunately these Spanish did a very bad number on the Native people, just as the more refined (?) northern European folks did in turn. An unfortunate kind of similarity. Ken.