Mornin' Doc, I worked for a number of years in a photo lab and so I have a little experience in what can happen to film when it is not processed in a timely manner. So much for that . See you are a HURT and my husband is a HURT descendant and I am the researcher but haven't had much luck in finding anything on his ancestral lines. May contact you one day when I have more time for geny but this am I am running a little tight on time. Have a good day, Pat in KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOC HURT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's > Hey Pat, > I kept some film undeveloped for several years and when I did develop it, > some of the pictures were faded. I would not try it. > > Happy Hunting > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patsy Sutton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's > > >> Good AFternoon, >> >> Just putting in my two cent's worth here. I would think that storing a >> roll/rolls of undeveloped color film one could encounter color shifts >> when it was developed or fading caused by the aging of the film. I think >> probably a digital camera is probably the best option to actually >> safeguard personal information and belongings. >> >> Have a great day. >> >> Pat in KS >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's >> >> >>> In a message dated 1/13/2006 3:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> Just a word of warning. >>> If you take pictures of your home & belongings with roll film, KEEP THE >>> ROLL >>> OF FILM in a safe place. Don't give it to a developer! >>> They will have not only pix, but your name, phone # and/or address! >>> Instead of using a whole roll for this, I just finished rolls with this >>> kind >>> of record - so there might be 2 or 3 pictures at the end of vacation >>> roll or >>> Christmas roll. And don't rolls of film eventually go bad to the point >>> that >>> you cannot develope it?? I think you would be better off to find a >>> developer >>> you can trust, or buy or borrow a digital camera. >>> >>> Bev >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Hey Pat, I kept some film undeveloped for several years and when I did develop it, some of the pictures were faded. I would not try it. Happy Hunting doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy Sutton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's > Good AFternoon, > > Just putting in my two cent's worth here. I would think that storing a > roll/rolls of undeveloped color film one could encounter color shifts when > it was developed or fading caused by the aging of the film. I think > probably a digital camera is probably the best option to actually > safeguard personal information and belongings. > > Have a great day. > > Pat in KS > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:20 PM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's > > >> In a message dated 1/13/2006 3:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> Just a word of warning. >> If you take pictures of your home & belongings with roll film, KEEP THE >> ROLL >> OF FILM in a safe place. Don't give it to a developer! >> They will have not only pix, but your name, phone # and/or address! >> Instead of using a whole roll for this, I just finished rolls with this >> kind >> of record - so there might be 2 or 3 pictures at the end of vacation roll >> or >> Christmas roll. And don't rolls of film eventually go bad to the point >> that >> you cannot develope it?? I think you would be better off to find a >> developer >> you can trust, or buy or borrow a digital camera. >> >> Bev >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

There is no "perfectly safe" way of preserving your hard earned information or treasured photographs. If I had copied all my data and photos ten years ago on my computer, I would be unable to access any of it now, had I not consistently upgraded it when my newer models were installed. I have a whole shelf full of wonderful music that I bought over the course of the 1950s and '60s, on "Hi-Fi" and Stereo LPs. Remember those 12" vinyl disks? Then along came 8-track tapes and I bought a few. They dropped through a hole in the space-time continuum pretty quickly, and then there were cassettes. Then CDs. I have a few of them. At present I can still play my CDs, but my granddaughter has a gadget called an MP3 that her tunes are on; it's not much bigger than your thumb, and she has about 300 songs on it (if you can call such drivel songs). The first computer we bought was in 1983 and it had a one megabyte (that's right, megabyte) hard disc drive! A million character strokes! Whoa! We had hit the bigtime then! How would we ever fill all that space?! The programs I use today wouldn't even load on that machine, much less run on it. At one point I saved all my PAF files onto multiple 5.25" floppies and took a set up to Roanoke to my mother's for an "off-premises" backup. After she passed away in 2003, they were still there, safe and sound, but none of my computers will utilize 5.25" floppies, and I'll soon not be able to use the 3.5" floppies that replaced them! Paper is subject to steady decay no matter what you do with it, but "archival" quality is far superior to your regular old printer paper as far as longevity is concerned. Print any important data on archival quality paper and store it in a dark, cool, dry place. Not the top of the closet. Not in the cellar/basement. Not the garage. Not in the attic. If you are not comfortable in the storage space in all seasons, your papers and photos will not be either!. Digital cameras may give you wonderful capabilities to see what you're getting at the moment, but they are not to be depended upon for permanent storage. Remember all those photos we took with Polaroid cameras? Some of them can barely be said to have an image, much less a recognizable image. Do not take photos and leave the film undeveloped! Film deteriorates like anything else. How do you know if you have pictures? I have missed many a shot over the years, and had I not developed the rolls, I wouldn't even know I didn't have them, or that one was too dark or too blurred, etc., so that I could possibly reshoot! Regardless of how you store your photos, on photographic paper or digitally, make multiple hard copies, put them in photo-safe storage containers, and take or send a set of hard copies to someone in another locality to hold for you. The best way to "save" your photos and data is to have hard copies that you spread around to distant relatives who will take care of them. That way, should you be in a fire, a flood, an earthquake, tornado, or hurricane (termites got into some papers that I had stored in the converted garage of my home!), your archives can come home to you! Nothing is fool-proof. Okay, I'm putting away my soap box, now. Carolyn HALE BRUCE Co-author, Rebel King, Hammer of the Scots and Rebel King, The Har'ships http://www.RebelKing.com Author, Virginiana, A Visitors' Guide to Virginia History and Other Stuff http://www.VirginianaBooks.com Available now at www.JonesArt.com: Herb Jones, Poet With a Paintbrush by Barbara Jones Jones

Good AFternoon, Just putting in my two cent's worth here. I would think that storing a roll/rolls of undeveloped color film one could encounter color shifts when it was developed or fading caused by the aging of the film. I think probably a digital camera is probably the best option to actually safeguard personal information and belongings. Have a great day. Pat in KS ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's > In a message dated 1/13/2006 3:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Just a word of warning. > If you take pictures of your home & belongings with roll film, KEEP THE > ROLL > OF FILM in a safe place. Don't give it to a developer! > They will have not only pix, but your name, phone # and/or address! > Instead of using a whole roll for this, I just finished rolls with this > kind > of record - so there might be 2 or 3 pictures at the end of vacation roll > or > Christmas roll. And don't rolls of film eventually go bad to the point > that > you cannot develope it?? I think you would be better off to find a > developer > you can trust, or buy or borrow a digital camera. > > Bev > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/13/2006 3:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just a word of warning. If you take pictures of your home & belongings with roll film, KEEP THE ROLL OF FILM in a safe place. Don't give it to a developer! They will have not only pix, but your name, phone # and/or address! Instead of using a whole roll for this, I just finished rolls with this kind of record - so there might be 2 or 3 pictures at the end of vacation roll or Christmas roll. And don't rolls of film eventually go bad to the point that you cannot develope it?? I think you would be better off to find a developer you can trust, or buy or borrow a digital camera. Bev

Brenda J. Scott From: "Paul Drake" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [VAROOTS] Author Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:13:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from lists8.rootsweb.com ([66.43.18.27]) by bay0-mc11-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:15:43 -0800 Received: (from [email protected])by lists8.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id k0EJER2f030963;Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:14:27 -0700 >For your reference purposes, the composer/author of the map I posted re the >"Borden grant" was J. R. Hildebrand, and it first appeared in the April >1964 >issue of "Journal of the Roanoke Valley Historical Society". > >That URL is now operative and is >http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/BeverlyManorBordenGrant2.jpg > > >Genealogy without documentation is nothing. > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > > >---------------------------------------- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 631 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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yes Christine that is true ... the one you mentioned found here http://tinyurl.com/ seems to work the same as the one I mentioned found here http://simurl.com/ .... and there are probably a few others out there too ... I have used both of these off and on :) I still make the suggestion of one of these to be booked marked for future usage ... it will surely alleviate the pain of people posting "I can't access that link" .... usually :) and or others who think it's something they did themselves ... and not even question it :/ missing out on perhaps a valuable tid-bit of info, that they might not see again else where :) Ken - hdpth-DNA like a smile ... genealogical kindness causes a chain reaction :) > [Original Message] > From: cristy <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 1/14/2006 10:16:42 AM > Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Re: Borden Grant and Beverly Manor Map ... > > tinyurl will do that same as that also, a program to make the links smaller. > > Christine << snip >> [email protected] EarthLink Revolves Around You. a thought to ponder ... Acts 1:8 a message to the outer most parts ...

tinyurl will do that same as that also, a program to make the links smaller. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hedgpeth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Re: Borden Grant and Beverly Manor Map ... > Hey Paul ... let me help you :) > > or should I say let SimURL http://simurl.com/ help you ... make those > long URL's into smaller ones so that they don't break up in transmission > to the intended user(s) ... > > http://simurl.com/cc-ll-ee > > the above link will get you to the page that Paul was sharing ... note > this SimURL link will only be good for a few days to a couple of weeks at > most, normally :/ > > also when creating a new web page, it's not necessary for the link to be > so descriptive i.e the NAME of the file, of which most browsers / "email > clients" don't treat the spaces in the file name too kindly :( > > so to eliminate the chances of a broken linkage, suggest [1] shorter file > names and [2] no spaces in the file name ... and then [3] bookmark SimURL > for future usage, when the first two don't apply :) > > oh might also add ... that the usage of all lower case letters are best :) > > if you need to have a space, it's better to use the under-bar instead " _ > " i.e. [shift] key while hitting the key to the right of the number zero > key ... just below the [F9] key on some key boards or [F12] on others :) > > oh Paul, is J. R. Hilerrand, Del. the person who created this map ? it's > mentioned at the bottom of the legend [lower right corner] ... > > thanks for sharing this map, and please don't take my comments personal > ... mainly showing others what to look out for also :) > > Ken - > hdpth-DNA > > yes I too am prone to many of these same mistakes off and on :( guess > it's a good thing I don't live in a glass house either ... LOL > > > Paul Drake wrote: > Sorry; I do not know why the link did not work; it should work now if you > try again. Thanks. Paul I have posted to my site what appears to be a > rather accurate sketch showing the churches within the Borden Grant and > Beverly Manor, those today including much of the Shenandoah Valley, > through which myriad of our ancestors moved or lived for a spell, and then > moved on to the South and West.The area early included much of then > Augusta County, VA. You will need to zoom in to see it clearly. NOTE: > The map is not of my making, and I have long ago lost the name of the > author to whom credit should go. If anyone knows who that author was, > please let me know in order that credit may be given. Thanks. Paul The > map may be seen at: http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Beverly Manor Borden > Grant2.jpgGenealogy without documentation is nothing. > Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author > www.DrakesBooks.com > > > [email protected] > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > a thought to ponder ... Acts 1:8 a message to the outer most parts ... > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

For your reference purposes, the composer/author of the map I posted re the "Borden grant" was J. R. Hildebrand, and it first appeared in the April 1964 issue of "Journal of the Roanoke Valley Historical Society". That URL is now operative and is http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/BeverlyManorBordenGrant2.jpg Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 631 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

Hey Paul ... let me help you :) or should I say let SimURL http://simurl.com/ help you ... make those long URL's into smaller ones so that they don't break up in transmission to the intended user(s) ... http://simurl.com/cc-ll-ee the above link will get you to the page that Paul was sharing ... note this SimURL link will only be good for a few days to a couple of weeks at most, normally :/ also when creating a new web page, it's not necessary for the link to be so descriptive i.e the NAME of the file, of which most browsers / "email clients" don't treat the spaces in the file name too kindly :( so to eliminate the chances of a broken linkage, suggest [1] shorter file names and [2] no spaces in the file name ... and then [3] bookmark SimURL for future usage, when the first two don't apply :) oh might also add ... that the usage of all lower case letters are best :) if you need to have a space, it's better to use the under-bar instead " _ " i.e. [shift] key while hitting the key to the right of the number zero key ... just below the [F9] key on some key boards or [F12] on others :) oh Paul, is J. R. Hilerrand, Del. the person who created this map ? it's mentioned at the bottom of the legend [lower right corner] ... thanks for sharing this map, and please don't take my comments personal ... mainly showing others what to look out for also :) Ken - hdpth-DNA yes I too am prone to many of these same mistakes off and on :( guess it's a good thing I don't live in a glass house either ... LOL Paul Drake wrote: Sorry; I do not know why the link did not work; it should work now if you try again. Thanks. Paul I have posted to my site what appears to be a rather accurate sketch showing the churches within the Borden Grant and Beverly Manor, those today including much of the Shenandoah Valley, through which myriad of our ancestors moved or lived for a spell, and then moved on to the South and West.The area early included much of then Augusta County, VA. You will need to zoom in to see it clearly. NOTE: The map is not of my making, and I have long ago lost the name of the author to whom credit should go. If anyone knows who that author was, please let me know in order that credit may be given. Thanks. Paul The map may be seen at: http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Beverly Manor Borden Grant2.jpgGenealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author www.DrakesBooks.com [email protected] EarthLink Revolves Around You. a thought to ponder ... Acts 1:8 a message to the outer most parts ...

BlankI guess those who asked and want to see the Borden Grant/ Manor map will need to copy and paste this entire address. Sorry for the inconvenience. http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Beverly Manor Borden Grant2.jpg Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

Sorry; I do not know why the link did not work; it should work now if you try again. Thanks. Paul I have posted to my site what appears to be a rather accurate sketch showing the churches within the Borden Grant and Beverly Manor, those today including much of the Shenandoah Valley, through which myriad of our ancestors moved or lived for a spell, and then moved on to the South and West. The area early included much of then Augusta County, VA. You will need to zoom in to see it clearly. NOTE: The map is not of my making, and I have long ago lost the name of the author to whom credit should go. If anyone knows who that author was, please let me know in order that credit may be given. Thanks. Paul The map may be seen at: http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Beverly Manor Borden Grant2.jpg Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> ==== NCBERTIE Mailing List ==== Bertie County Archives page http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/bertie.htm Cemeteries, deeds, wills, Bible Records and more. We need your info! Send to me, Marianne Nichols Ordway, [email protected] ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 1/11/2006

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BlankI have posted to my site what appears to be a rather accurate sketch showing the churches within the Borden Grant and Beverly Manor, those today including much of the Shenandoah Valley, through which myriad of our ancestors moved or lived for a spell, and then moved on to the South and West. The area early included much of then Augusta County, VA. You will need to zoom in to see it clearly. NOTE: The map is not of my making, and I have long ago lost the name of the author to whom credit should go. If anyone knows who that author was, please let me know in order that credit may be given. Thanks. Paul The map may be seen at: http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Beverly Manor Borden Grant2.jpg Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

Here is a site that will refer you to places where those records now are located and available, other than at the Natl. Archives http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/usgd/census/1940.html And here is a URL for what questions were asked http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/94items.html Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindy Brammer To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: [VAROOTS] Question about Censuses When the 1940 US Census is released, there will be a lot of men in the military located on ships at sea and in other countries. Where will the microfilm of their enumeration be located??? The Censuses are filed by state. This will present a problem in later Censuses when we have military personnel located on bases in other countries. Will their microfilm be a thing unto themselves or what???? This also will hold true for any American serving at an US Embassy in another country. I know they were counted; it's just a puzzle as to how they will be filed. This is probably a dumb question, but I just wondered when I thought about my dad serving aboard a Navy ship during WWII. Sign me Curious Linda ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 1/11/2006

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Greetings, Ester, a slave to Christopher Carlton was the mother of Allie. Allie was the mother of Daniel, my grandfather. In 1869, Daniel Chappell b. abt 1850 m. Sue Younger b.abt 1850. The parents of Daniel were, Peter and Allie Chappell The parents of Sue were Primus and Mariah Younger Daniel's siblings were: Willis -----b. abt 1850 m. Amanda Banks 1872 Eppa ----- b. abt 1853 m. in 1874 to Henrietta Smith b.1853 George Washington b. abt. 1855 C. Henry-- b. abt .1857-- m. 1882 to Lucy Chappell b. 1866 Peter Lee-- b. 1858 ----- m. 1904 to Cora Leigh b. 1883 Doctor --- b. 1860 ------ m. 1896 to Lucy Hundley b. 1875 Davis ----- b. abt 1861 Bell ------- b. abt 1863 Willie Ann -- b. abt 1865 m. Henry Britton b. ???? Edward ---- b. abt 1867 Horace (Braxton) b. abt 1869 m. 1893 to Sallie Easley b. 1873 Millie ------- b abt 1873 Carver------- b. 1876 Thanks in advance, Larry .

When the 1940 US Census is released, there will be a lot of men in the military located on ships at sea and in other countries. Where will the microfilm of their enumeration be located??? The Censuses are filed by state. This will present a problem in later Censuses when we have military personnel located on bases in other countries. Will their microfilm be a thing unto themselves or what???? This also will hold true for any American serving at an US Embassy in another country. I know they were counted; it's just a puzzle as to how they will be filed. This is probably a dumb question, but I just wondered when I thought about my dad serving aboard a Navy ship during WWII. Sign me Curious Linda

Just a word of warning. If you take pictures of your home & belongings with roll film, KEEP THE ROLL OF FILM in a safe place. Don't give it to a developer! They will have not only pix, but your name, phone # and/or address! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] Fw: [OHPICKAW] Re: CD's >A word on backups - remember that no backup is any better than the storage > site for it. If it's stored in the same location as the original, it will > be > destroyed in the same fire. So make backups of your computer files or any > important documents you may have - but store them somewhere else - take > them to > your office - your mother's - your babysitter's - anywhere! >