Thank you for the wonderful responses. Please, send everything on Thomas OLIVER and his children. I did not print it because I had not yet proved he was my kin. Also, please, send anything you have on his Uncle David LOFFLAND who he lived with in Loudoun in 1777. I can't find that LOFFLAND there at that time. Only a different one that had a strange name. Could be they CALLED him David? Your assistance has been tremendous! Thanks very much, backing up, Kim OLIVERkid@aol.com