This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: earlyhead Surnames: WYANT, BLOSE, HENSLEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/3294/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interested in contacting descendants or anyone that new Marvin BLOSE (1902-1992) and wife Cordella WYANT(1899-1961) Believed they lived in Elkton area. Interested in Cordella's father James H. WYANT(1876-1948)and her grandmother Mary Laurena HENSLEY WYANT(1845-?) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Long Family reunion to be held July 18, 2009 at Douthat State Park Clifton Forge, VA. From 10:00am-5:00 pm. Longs from Conrad Long, John Long and their decendents from Harrisonburg, Augusta County, Rockingham County, Berkley County,WV, Hagerstown MD., and Martinsburg WV. For more info contact Jimmie Long (434) 444-1491 or by email jimbo@ntelos.net

I think we both meant to reply to the list rather than off list, so I'm posting this here. Bonnie -------- Original Message -------- Thanks very much, Michael, this is just what I was helpfully told by Jan off list, but you've provided a few more details! This is a great list. You'll probably be hearing a lot more from me. ;-) Bonnie Michael Sellers wrote: > I may be all wet on this, and, if so, I'm sure some nice folks will > correct me while helping you out at the same time. > > The Marriage Bond itself will most likely contain way more > genealogical type information than the Minister Return. > > Around 1660 or so Virginia enacted a law requiring the Marriage Bond. > The law required that all persons wishing to be married with a > Marriage License to go to their county clerk and to give Bond with > sufficient monetary security that essentially guaranteed or promised > that there wasn't a lawful cause or reason that could prevent the > marriage. The "bondsman" or person providing the "surety" was usually > related to the BRIDE, but it was quite possible for the bondsman to be > related to the groom. > > Once the Bond was monetarily secured, the license was prepared by the > county clerk and was given to the Minister who would perform the > ceremony. After performing such, the Minister would sign the > "Minister Return" stating that he had indeed married the individuals > on the license and would send that back to the clerk for recording. > Thus, the information contained in the initial Bond would have more > genealogical information because it also included the person or > persons who would be providing the bond or surety. The Minister > Return was simply the Minister's signature and "proof" that he had > indeed married the two individuals named on the license. No other > individuals needed to be mentioned or named on the Minister Return. > > Hope that helps. > > Michael Sellers > > --- On *Sat, 5/23/09, Bonnie Schrack /<bschrack1@comcast.net>/* wrote: > > > From: Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Minister's Returns, Shenandoah Co., VA, > 1825-6, #2 (2167846) > To: varockin@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:56 AM > > Hi Julie, > > Thanks very much for all you're posting. > > About Minister's Returns -- this term is new to me. I just found out > there's a record of a crucial marriage of one of my ancestors in the > Minister's Returns from Rockingham Co, and it's at HRHS. What is > this > record likely to contain? How are these different from Marriage > Bonds? Do they have more information, or less? > > The abstract of the marriage of Jacob Hoover and Elizabeth > Shoemaker has > been included in the books by Strickler and by Vogt, and they both > show > Peter Hoover having signed a consent note for this marriage. > Strickler > has him as the father. We need to see some original document stating > that Peter is the father of Jacob. This is the crucial link in the > chain that we need to connect us with Peter Hoover, the son of > Sebastian > Hoover (of Pendleton Co.) Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Bonnie Schrack > >

I don't want to throw us off onto a tangent, but I think "Marriage by Banns" is also worth mentioning here.   Couples could be married outside of the local or civil authorities, so to speak, by "Banns".  This was a posted and/or published intent to be married by a couple at their local church or meeting house for (usually) three consecutive weeks.  If no objection was raised by anyone in the church or community, the minister, reverend, etc. would/could marry the couple.  This "Marriage by Banns" did not require a reporting of the marriage to the courts or local govenment and thus was only recorded in the specific church records where they attended.  If the church records were somehow lost or destroyed, you'd better hope the 'Marriage by Banns' was recorded in the family bible.  Otherwise, no record of the marriage itself will be found.  Such a situation is highly frustrating in that you know the individuals were married, but you can't find a record.  More often than not, it's because it was by "banns" and an "official" record will not and cannot ever be found.   A more legal and better definition of "Marriage by Banns" can be found in "Black's Law Dicitionary, Sixth Edition":   "[Banns of Matrimony]: Public notice or proclamation of a matrimonial contract, and the intended celebration of the marriage of the parties in pursuance of such contract.  Such announcement is required by certain religions to be made in a church or chapel, during service, on three consecutive Sundays before the marriage is celebrated.  The object of [this] is to afford an opportunity for any person to interpose an objection if he knows any impediment or other just cause why the marriage should not take place."   One of the main objections that could be raised back then was a previous marriage by either the groom or bride.  Bigamy existed back then just as it does today, and I'm sure it was much more difficult to 'prove'.   Michael Sellers --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Julie <juls92627@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Julie <juls92627@yahoo.com> Subject: [VAROCKIN] Minister's Returns, To: varockin@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 1:40 PM Bonnie,   Michael, is right, there is more genealogical info on the bonds.  the returns seem to be a piece of paper that ministers write on saying/verifying that he did marry them.  Sometimes its only a scrap of paper, sometimes the front and back of a piece of paper.    what they can help you with, is letting you know possible siblings, or maybe spellings of names if they weren't clear on the bond.  The other thing, is that since Virginia's historical documents are kind of spotty, a return might have survived and not the bond or vice versa.   Since the Bonds are easier to read and usually organized, I think (am not sure and haven't researched it) some of the books on marriages are from the bonds and not the returns so you might find other relatives.   an example - I found a previously unknown Elizabeth LeHEW who married William WALTERS in 1819, and before their marriage there was a Jacob WALTERS who married a WELCH.  So since there are a lot of Elizabeth and Wm Walters, I keep an eye out for Jacob Walters too, hoping that they might have traveled with them.    If  you already know about the marriage, then you might want to rent the film at a family history center or library and see if it will give you more information on your family.  I found a daughter of my Peter LeHew's and had it confirmed, because in the bond, the bondsman was Peter Edward's brother-in-law.  Granted I haven't been able to find her after about 1790, lol - but I now know Junie/a Lehew married Daniel Maiden/Madden.    I hope that helps - If you would like to see examples of both or either, just let me know (this is for anybody) and I'll send you some   Julie --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> wrote: From: Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> Subject: [VAROCKIN] [Fwd: Re: Minister's Returns, Shenandoah Co., VA, 1825-6, #2 (2167846)] To: varockin@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:07 AM I think we both meant to reply to the list rather than off list, so I'm posting this here. Bonnie -------- Original Message -------- Thanks very much, Michael, this is just what I was helpfully told by Jan off list, but you've provided a few more details! This is a great list.  You'll probably be hearing a lot more from me. ;-) Bonnie Michael Sellers wrote: > I may be all wet on this, and, if so, I'm sure some nice folks will > correct me while helping you out at the same time. >  > The Marriage Bond itself will most likely contain way more > genealogical type information than the Minister Return. >  > Around 1660 or so Virginia enacted a law requiring the Marriage Bond.  > The law required that all persons wishing to be married with a > Marriage License to go to their county clerk and to give Bond with > sufficient monetary security that essentially guaranteed or promised > that there wasn't a lawful cause or reason that could prevent the > marriage.  The "bondsman" or person providing the "surety" was usually > related to the BRIDE, but it was quite possible for the bondsman to be > related to the groom. >  > Once the Bond was monetarily secured, the license was prepared by the > county clerk and was given to the Minister who would perform the > ceremony.  After performing such, the Minister would sign the > "Minister Return" stating that he had indeed married the individuals > on the license and would send that back to the clerk for recording.  > Thus, the information contained in the initial Bond would have more > genealogical information because it also included the person or > persons who would be providing the bond or surety.  The Minister > Return was simply the Minister's signature and "proof" that he had > indeed married the two individuals named on the license.  No other > individuals needed to be mentioned or named on the Minister Return. >  > Hope that helps. >  > Michael Sellers > > --- On *Sat, 5/23/09, Bonnie Schrack /<bschrack1@comcast.net>/* wrote: > > >     From: Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> >     Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Minister's Returns, Shenandoah Co., VA, >     1825-6, #2 (2167846) >     To: varockin@rootsweb.com >     Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:56 AM > >     Hi Julie, > >     Thanks very much for all you're posting. > >     About Minister's Returns -- this term is new to me.  I just found out >     there's a  record of a crucial marriage of one of my ancestors in the >     Minister's Returns from Rockingham Co, and it's at HRHS.  What is >     this >     record likely to contain?   How are these different from Marriage >     Bonds?  Do they have more information, or less? > >     The abstract of the marriage of Jacob Hoover and Elizabeth >     Shoemaker has >     been included in the books by Strickler and by Vogt, and they both >     show >     Peter Hoover having signed a consent note for this marriage. >     Strickler >     has him as the father.  We need to see some original document stating >     that Peter is the father of Jacob.  This is the crucial link in the >     chain that we need to connect us with Peter Hoover, the son of >     Sebastian >     Hoover (of Pendleton Co.)  Any help will be greatly appreciated. > >     Bonnie Schrack > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonnie,   Michael, is right, there is more genealogical info on the bonds.  the returns seem to be a piece of paper that ministers write on saying/verifying that he did marry them.  Sometimes its only a scrap of paper, sometimes the front and back of a piece of paper.    what they can help you with, is letting you know possible siblings, or maybe spellings of names if they weren't clear on the bond.  The other thing, is that since Virginia's historical documents are kind of spotty, a return might have survived and not the bond or vice versa.   Since the Bonds are easier to read and usually organized, I think (am not sure and haven't researched it) some of the books on marriages are from the bonds and not the returns so you might find other relatives.   an example - I found a previously unknown Elizabeth LeHEW who married William WALTERS in 1819, and before their marriage there was a Jacob WALTERS who married a WELCH.  So since there are a lot of Elizabeth and Wm Walters, I keep an eye out for Jacob Walters too, hoping that they might have traveled with them.    If  you already know about the marriage, then you might want to rent the film at a family history center or library and see if it will give you more information on your family.  I found a daughter of my Peter LeHew's and had it confirmed, because in the bond, the bondsman was Peter Edward's brother-in-law.  Granted I haven't been able to find her after about 1790, lol - but I now know Junie/a Lehew married Daniel Maiden/Madden.    I hope that helps - If you would like to see examples of both or either, just let me know (this is for anybody) and I'll send you some   Julie --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> wrote: From: Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> Subject: [VAROCKIN] [Fwd: Re: Minister's Returns, Shenandoah Co., VA, 1825-6, #2 (2167846)] To: varockin@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:07 AM I think we both meant to reply to the list rather than off list, so I'm posting this here. Bonnie -------- Original Message -------- Thanks very much, Michael, this is just what I was helpfully told by Jan off list, but you've provided a few more details! This is a great list.  You'll probably be hearing a lot more from me. ;-) Bonnie Michael Sellers wrote: > I may be all wet on this, and, if so, I'm sure some nice folks will > correct me while helping you out at the same time. >  > The Marriage Bond itself will most likely contain way more > genealogical type information than the Minister Return. >  > Around 1660 or so Virginia enacted a law requiring the Marriage Bond.  > The law required that all persons wishing to be married with a > Marriage License to go to their county clerk and to give Bond with > sufficient monetary security that essentially guaranteed or promised > that there wasn't a lawful cause or reason that could prevent the > marriage.  The "bondsman" or person providing the "surety" was usually > related to the BRIDE, but it was quite possible for the bondsman to be > related to the groom. >  > Once the Bond was monetarily secured, the license was prepared by the > county clerk and was given to the Minister who would perform the > ceremony.  After performing such, the Minister would sign the > "Minister Return" stating that he had indeed married the individuals > on the license and would send that back to the clerk for recording.  > Thus, the information contained in the initial Bond would have more > genealogical information because it also included the person or > persons who would be providing the bond or surety.  The Minister > Return was simply the Minister's signature and "proof" that he had > indeed married the two individuals named on the license.  No other > individuals needed to be mentioned or named on the Minister Return. >  > Hope that helps. >  > Michael Sellers > > --- On *Sat, 5/23/09, Bonnie Schrack /<bschrack1@comcast.net>/* wrote: > > >     From: Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> >     Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Minister's Returns, Shenandoah Co., VA, >     1825-6, #2 (2167846) >     To: varockin@rootsweb.com >     Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:56 AM > >     Hi Julie, > >     Thanks very much for all you're posting. > >     About Minister's Returns -- this term is new to me.  I just found out >     there's a  record of a crucial marriage of one of my ancestors in the >     Minister's Returns from Rockingham Co, and it's at HRHS.  What is >     this >     record likely to contain?   How are these different from Marriage >     Bonds?  Do they have more information, or less? > >     The abstract of the marriage of Jacob Hoover and Elizabeth >     Shoemaker has >     been included in the books by Strickler and by Vogt, and they both >     show >     Peter Hoover having signed a consent note for this marriage. >     Strickler >     has him as the father.  We need to see some original document stating >     that Peter is the father of Jacob.  This is the crucial link in the >     chain that we need to connect us with Peter Hoover, the son of >     Sebastian >     Hoover (of Pendleton Co.)  Any help will be greatly appreciated. > >     Bonnie Schrack > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie, Thanks very much for all you're posting. About Minister's Returns -- this term is new to me. I just found out there's a record of a crucial marriage of one of my ancestors in the Minister's Returns from Rockingham Co, and it's at HRHS. What is this record likely to contain? How are these different from Marriage Bonds? Do they have more information, or less? The abstract of the marriage of Jacob Hoover and Elizabeth Shoemaker has been included in the books by Strickler and by Vogt, and they both show Peter Hoover having signed a consent note for this marriage. Strickler has him as the father. We need to see some original document stating that Peter is the father of Jacob. This is the crucial link in the chain that we need to connect us with Peter Hoover, the son of Sebastian Hoover (of Pendleton Co.) Any help will be greatly appreciated. Bonnie Schrack > Okay - here's the last one, It didn't have a counter on the bottom so the image numbers are close to where they should be on the films (probably plus or minus 3) and there are a couple who I didn't find before I my time with the film was gone. > This is LDS film 2167846, Minister's Return, Shenandoah County, VA, 1772-1877 - this one seems to be mainly the 1820s. Once again, these are my best guesses at trying to read the documents any and all corrections are welcome. If you would like the scans just let me know. > - Julie > > > Image #008 1825 > > Joseph COMER to Lucy PURDOM > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #017 - 1825 > Robert TURNER to Lucy GREEN LONY? > John PERRY to Anna NIHISER > James GRANTHAM to Mary WEEKS (widow) > William W. MAGRUNDER to Mary Susan WILLLIAMS > William NOLEN to Rebecca MAFIUS > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #038 - 1825 > William NORMAN to Phebe HORTH? > George W BIRD to Elizabeth SIGLER > John BASY to Margaret HESS > Zachariah SHIRLEY to Barbary __GY > Jacob LEIFERT to Nancy P_AMICK > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #098 - 1825 > Daniel ROBERTSON to Elizabeth JONES/JONAS? > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #117 1825 > Abraham SMOOT to Barbara SAGER > Henry GOHENOUR to Katharine SAGER > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Image 131 & 130 – 1825 > William V. HENRY to Elizabeth Welton ALLEN > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #215 - 1825 > William G. THOMPSON to Sarah PENNYBACKER > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #247 - 1825 > John HAAS to Ruth BYRD > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #095 - 1825- (continued on 096) > Jacob JUDAH to Juhan COBAN > Henry FRYE to Elizabeth MANSHARU? > Daniel HOTTZ? To Ann C. LONAS > Sam STOVES to Mary MOORE > Soloman COOTZ to Ann WEEAREN? > Henry GRABILL to Magdalena HOCKMAN > Sam HICKS? To Elizabeth WIMER > Dan NICHOLS to Elizabeth KEENER > 1826 > Jos BORDEN to Lydia HOTTLE > Abz? GOLLADAY to Mary BURNEZ > Benjamin ABY to Mary BORDEN > Abm BORDLOZ to Rebecca ROIDLEZ > Henry REINDARD to Magdalena NILLY > Henry S. NONDEO? To Ann Amelia OTT > Elijah WARFIELD? To Rachael COFFON? > Jos BROBECK to Regina ROSENBORGEN > Hambeton B YARAGE to Mary M THRASHER > Jos MAPP to Mary SWARTZ > Geo SHEETS to Elizabeth BOURMAN > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #011 - 1825-6 (back of #009) > 1825 > John FOATZ to Eve LONAS > Jacob GOOD to Elizabeth SPIGLE > Adam ESHLEMAN to Rebeca BORTON > Christian FUNKHOUSER to Leah LINK > Jepe CALDWATTER to Polly GABEL > Jacob EMSWILER to Elizabeth LUTZ > Adam HENSINGEN to Mart HERSHBERGER > Daniel BISHOP to Laly BARTON > Samuel McGUAY to Lydia LUTZ > Levi NEWLAND to Catharine LINDAWOOD > Daniel BITLMAN to Caty ROADS? > Henry LUTZ to Mary WIFSMAN > Phillip HAAS to Magdalena PHILLIPS > Jacob BAKER to Elizabeth KELLER > Jacob HIERTOP? To Mary FLOWERS > Thomas McCANN to Ester ALLEN > Samuel LEHMAN to Rebecca ROGERS > 1826 > Langdon CULLY to Catharine FUNK > Samuel L. EVANS to Barbara HASHOWER > Peter HEFS to Elizabeth RONERICK? > William MILLER to Elizabeth WETZER > John FOLZ to Mary PAINTER? > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Image #087 - 1825-6 > 1825 > William HUFFIN to Elizabeth SOFFELL > Henry HINKINS to Mary BROBECK (widow) > 1826 > Michael ZEIS? To Anna SHAVER > John GRANDSTAFF to Elizabeth LIGGET > Michael MILHORN to Susan BURNS > Abner DAVIS to Elizabeth STICKLEY > James SIDEBOTTOM to Sarah HOTTLE > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  Okay - here's the last one,  It didn't have a counter on the bottom so the image numbers are close to where they should be on the films (probably plus or minus 3) and there are a couple who I didn't find before I my time with the film was gone.      This is LDS film 2167846, Minister's Return, Shenandoah County, VA, 1772-1877 - this one seems to be mainly the 1820s.  Once again, these are my best guesses at trying to read the documents any and all corrections are welcome.  If you would like the scans just let me know.  - Julie     Image #008  1825 Joseph COMER to Lucy PURDOM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #017     -           1825 Robert TURNER to Lucy GREEN LONY? John PERRY to Anna NIHISER James GRANTHAM to Mary WEEKS (widow) William W. MAGRUNDER to Mary Susan WILLLIAMS William NOLEN to Rebecca MAFIUS -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #038 - 1825 William NORMAN to Phebe HORTH? George W BIRD to Elizabeth SIGLER John BASY to Margaret HESS Zachariah SHIRLEY to Barbary __GY Jacob LEIFERT to Nancy P_AMICK -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #098 - 1825 Daniel ROBERTSON to Elizabeth JONES/JONAS? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #117     1825 Abraham SMOOT to Barbara SAGER Henry GOHENOUR to Katharine SAGER -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Image 131 & 130 – 1825 William V. HENRY to Elizabeth Welton ALLEN -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #215     - 1825 William G. THOMPSON to Sarah PENNYBACKER -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #247     - 1825 John HAAS to Ruth BYRD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #095 - 1825- (continued on 096) Jacob JUDAH to Juhan COBAN Henry FRYE to Elizabeth MANSHARU? Daniel HOTTZ? To Ann C. LONAS Sam STOVES to Mary MOORE Soloman COOTZ to Ann WEEAREN? Henry GRABILL to Magdalena HOCKMAN Sam HICKS? To Elizabeth WIMER Dan NICHOLS to Elizabeth KEENER 1826 Jos BORDEN to Lydia HOTTLE Abz? GOLLADAY to Mary BURNEZ Benjamin ABY to Mary BORDEN Abm BORDLOZ to Rebecca ROIDLEZ Henry REINDARD to Magdalena NILLY Henry S. NONDEO? To Ann Amelia OTT Elijah WARFIELD? To Rachael COFFON? Jos BROBECK to Regina ROSENBORGEN Hambeton B YARAGE to Mary M THRASHER Jos MAPP to Mary SWARTZ Geo SHEETS to Elizabeth BOURMAN -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #011     -           1825-6 (back of #009) 1825 John FOATZ to Eve LONAS Jacob GOOD to Elizabeth SPIGLE Adam ESHLEMAN to Rebeca BORTON Christian FUNKHOUSER to Leah LINK Jepe CALDWATTER to Polly GABEL Jacob EMSWILER to Elizabeth LUTZ Adam HENSINGEN to Mart HERSHBERGER Daniel BISHOP to Laly BARTON Samuel McGUAY to Lydia LUTZ Levi NEWLAND to Catharine LINDAWOOD Daniel BITLMAN to Caty ROADS? Henry LUTZ to Mary WIFSMAN Phillip HAAS to Magdalena PHILLIPS Jacob BAKER to Elizabeth KELLER Jacob HIERTOP? To Mary FLOWERS Thomas McCANN to Ester ALLEN Samuel LEHMAN to Rebecca ROGERS 1826 Langdon CULLY to Catharine FUNK Samuel L. EVANS to Barbara HASHOWER Peter HEFS to Elizabeth RONERICK? William MILLER to Elizabeth WETZER John FOLZ to Mary PAINTER? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Image #087  - 1825-6 1825 William HUFFIN to Elizabeth SOFFELL Henry HINKINS to Mary BROBECK (widow) 1826 Michael ZEIS? To Anna SHAVER John GRANDSTAFF to Elizabeth LIGGET Michael MILHORN to Susan BURNS Abner DAVIS to Elizabeth STICKLEY James SIDEBOTTOM to Sarah HOTTLE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-    

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jrace43fan1 Surnames: Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/1503.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Recently started researching Smith side of my family. In your search for Civil War info on Samuel Smith did you run across anything on his brother John L Smith? He is my grandmothers grandfather. He must have been about 17 or 18 at the start of the war. Any info would be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: redyager45 Surnames: Rockingham Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/3135.1.2.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LAURA Did you receive, the information, I send? Ray redscorsair@peoplepc.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Diane, It's easy to get to. Which direction are you coming from? If you're on Interstate 81 coming from the North, you can take the New Market - Timberville exit onto Rt. 211. After five or six miles, when 211 takes you to Timberville, turn left there onto Rt. 42, Main St. Go a bit over a mile on it and you'll come to neighboring Broadway. There, make your first right onto Lee St., which is Rt. 259. As you continue on it eastward, it becomes Brock's Gap Rd. From Broadway, it's four miles to the Gap, where 259 passes through the break in Little North Mountain. You'll pass Chimney Rock on your right. Fulk's Run is a couple more miles ahead on Brock's Gap Rd. -- don't blink! ;-) If you're coming from the South, on 81, you could instead take the exit at Mauzy. This exit ramp brings you up onto Rt. 11, the old Valley Road. Turn left on it, cross the bridge over 81, and then turn right onto 259. Then you will have a nice trip through the countryside to Broadway. 259 makes a jog there in the town, if you stay on 259 you'll cross through the town on Broadway Ave. and then Main St., and then again you end up on Lee St., which becomes Brock's Gap Rd -- continue as in the other directions. All this will be very easy to see if you take a look at Google Maps. Good luck and have a wonderful time! Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: barrycolby@aol.com To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, varockin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:20:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [VAROCKIN] Brock's Gap Hi All, I saw some time ago and can't find the email I saved.? Directions to Brock's Gap, Va.? I was wondering if someone out there is better organized than I am and would still have the directions and?could send them to me BarryColby@AOL.COM???? That would be great as we are driving down there on Friday May 22, Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdx Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/698.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I thin your right, seems to be the year of birth minus the century, When the century changed he started using 1800, 1805, etc. I hate people who develop their own system of notating. The Tavenner Collection is like that too. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If you want to see all of Brocks Gap, you will need to take Runions Creek Road - turn north, off Brocks Gap Road, at the Chimney Rock V.F.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: barrycolby@aol.com To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; varockin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Brock's Gap Hi All, I saw some time ago and can't find the email I saved.? Directions to Brock's Gap, Va.? I was wondering if someone out there is better organized than I am and would still have the directions and?could send them to me BarryColby@AOL.COM???? That would be great as we are driving down there on Friday May 22, Diane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SuzE2300 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/698.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe the numbers after the names may have been the year they were born. It seems a bit confusing as the century would be in question.... but if you were following through from beginning to end, the century would be implied (assumed?) I was just so happy to have some new leads that I had to share it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Hi All, I saw some time ago and can't find the email I saved.? Directions to Brock's Gap, Va.? I was wondering if someone out there is better organized than I am and would still have the directions and?could send them to me BarryColby@AOL.COM???? That would be great as we are driving down there on Friday May 22, Diane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdx Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/698.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Great find but the only new material we find is that of David and a name for Mother Fulk. The name however seems to be a combinaton of the tribe she belonged to or was adopted by, the Chalakatha (which BTW was the basis for the naming of the town of Chillicothe, OH) and perhaps Senado was a variant or misspelling of her original tribe, the Senedo. I can find nothing in the book which explains the origin of that name. The book also seems to conflict with other histories of the Native tribes and nations. Don Greene seems to think that all these tribes were part of the Shawnee nation but other histories place them as part of the Iraquois or Algonquins. I don't think we will get anyone to agree on the origin of these tribes but lets take the data for what it's worth. I would like to know where he got that information. Don Greene seems lackadaisical about sources and footnotes which does not help when trying to determine where this information came from. Will try to contact Don Greene and see if he is willing to share his source or at least explain what the numbers mean behind many of the names (indexing system?) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Broadly defined, I believe it is along Route 259 near Fulks Run.??? Google Fulks Run and you will be within striking distance, and, if I am wrong, I am sure someone will sweetly correct me!  LOL Enjoy, it is a beautiful place, that Rockingham County Virginia!  Carol Aging With Attitude Memory Is More Indelible Than Ink... Chinese proverb: "To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root." http://reflectionsfromthefence.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: "barrycolby@aol.com" <barrycolby@aol.com> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; varockin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:20:27 PM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Brock's Gap Hi All, I saw some time ago and can't find the email I saved.? Directions to Brock's Gap, Va.? I was wondering if someone out there is better organized than I am and would still have the directions and?could send them to me BarryColby@AOL.COM???? That would be great as we are driving down there on Friday May 22, Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SuzE2300 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/698.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have come across the following information on Matthew Fulk, his wife, and sons. It is a book on Shawnee Heritage. 1) states that Matthew had three sons - Adam-1736; David-1738 and John Fulk - 1740. 2) John was married twice - first to Catherine Castle (m 1760), they had several children, but only one was mentioed - Jacob Castle Fulk; then to Eve Beeler (m 1774). The following link will take you to the book... information is on pages 111-12 - Individual # 582-584. http://books.google.com/books?id=6OugaRN9E0EC&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=senado tribe va&source=bl&ots=6m36dx02fo&sig=izPP4pd5UbXURaIVvZDXN_MrpNg&hl=en&ei=vR0SSorHL5qstgeH77iQCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA111,M1 Am still trying to connect Daniel Fulk (b. between 1803-1813 in OH) to the Fulk's of Licking County. SuzE Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Muckham Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/622.5.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry Emaress, but you are incorrect in making your "correction". Daniel Smith, husband of Jane Harrison, was indeed a Captain in the Augusta County Militia as of 1776. He and his older brother, Abraham Smith, served in the Augusta County Militia during the French and Indian War with John Sellers, an older brother of my own 5 great grandfather, Adam Sellers. During that war, Abraham Smith served as a Captain in the Militia while Daniel served as a Lieutenant. By 1776 Daniel Smith had obtained the rank of Captain in the Augusta County Militia and, in 1778, was a presiding justice for the newly formed Rockingham County court. The first sessions of the new Rockingham County Court were held in Daniel's home. By 1781 Daniel Smith had been promoted to the rank of Colonel of the militia, but he did not hold the post long. When the local troops returned from Yorktown in the fall of 1781, Colonel Daniel Smith was thrown from his horse and injured during the "Grand Review" held in Rockingham County to celebrate the victory. He died shortly thereafter from his injuries. He had lived in "Smithland", which was located just two miles below Harrisonburg in Rockingham County. In researching my own Zeller-Sellers lines, I have two sources for the above information concerning "Capt. Daniel Smith". One is "A History of Rockingham County, Virginia" by John Wayland (pages 53 -54); and, 2nd is "Annals of Augusta County" by Joseph Waddell (pages 150-152). My research is in agreement with both Wayland and Waddell in that Daniel Smith was a Lieutenant in the Augusta County Militia during the 1750s and 1760s, obtained the rank of Captain by 1776, and was a Colonel in the militia at the time of his death in 1781. I'm not familiar with William Fletcher Boogher's "Gleanings of Virginia History", however, if he did indeed specifically write that Daniel Smith was not a Captain then Mr. Boogher is in complete error. Hope that helps. Michael Sellers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: emaress_nova Surnames: Smith, Harrison Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.rockingham/622.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: First of all, Daniel Smith was never a captain, he was the second son of Capt John Smith and his wife Margaret. He was born in Ireland in 1724 and came to America with his parents aged about 6 years; finally settled in Augusta county, where he married Jane Harrison about 1751, born 1735, daughter of Daniel Harrison, and sister of Col. Benjamin Harrison of Augusta county. (this is a direct quote from "Gleanings of Virginia History" compiled and published by William Fletcher Boogher.) This book is available thru Genealogical Publishing Company www.Genealogical.com Hope this is of help to you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.