Here is the url - explore - check out the histories and timelines. I found it very informative regarding the Tunkers, Dunkards and others in my ancestry. http://www.cob-net.org/folder.htm Sandy

There is a site for the Brethern church that does an excellent job of explaining it and as soon as I find the url <G> I will send it . Sandy Lsc12147@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/14/99 6:08:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > mwlawsr@hotmail.com writes: > > << I would bet that he was not a Tunker minister but a Dunker Minister... a > common religious denomination in the 1700-1800s.... I think denominations > that would most align would be Baptist??? > > Just a guesss >> > > Well, somehow I knew this topic of Tunker vs. Dunker would come up, but I am > no expert on this. Somewhere in the past year or so, this very same issue > came up on a Penna. Dutch list I subscribe to. All I can really remember is > that there actually WAS such a thing as a "Tunker" minister, but no one could > really tell me the difference between "Tunker" and "Dunker." Maybe the > confusion arose because sometimes, using a German dialect "Dunker" comes out > sounding like "Tunker." I think the term "Dunker" comes from the church > members using the "full immersion" method of baptism, but again I am no > expert. I got the impression that the "Dunkers/Tunkers" were aligned with the > Mennonites. I'm sure there's a website somewhere that might explain it more > fully.

In a message dated 11/14/99 6:08:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, mwlawsr@hotmail.com writes: << I would bet that he was not a Tunker minister but a Dunker Minister... a common religious denomination in the 1700-1800s.... I think denominations that would most align would be Baptist??? Just a guesss >> Well, somehow I knew this topic of Tunker vs. Dunker would come up, but I am no expert on this. Somewhere in the past year or so, this very same issue came up on a Penna. Dutch list I subscribe to. All I can really remember is that there actually WAS such a thing as a "Tunker" minister, but no one could really tell me the difference between "Tunker" and "Dunker." Maybe the confusion arose because sometimes, using a German dialect "Dunker" comes out sounding like "Tunker." I think the term "Dunker" comes from the church members using the "full immersion" method of baptism, but again I am no expert. I got the impression that the "Dunkers/Tunkers" were aligned with the Mennonites. I'm sure there's a website somewhere that might explain it more fully.

I would bet that he was not a Tunker minister but a Dunker Minister... a common religious denomination in the 1700-1800s.... I think denominations that would most align would be Baptist??? Just a guesss >From: Lsc12147@aol.com >To: VAROCKIN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Rev. Isaac Long >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:13:56 EST > >In a message dated 11/13/99 5:13:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, >bjkmiller@uswest.net writes: > ><< Could anyone tell me anything about a Rev. Isaac Long of Rockingham Co. > (Port Republic). >> > >I have no real connection to Rev. Isaac Long, but I located him in the 1850 >Rockingham County, Virginia census a while back and xeroxed the page he was >on. I thought he was interesting because his occupation was given as >"Tunker >minister and farmer." And, he performed the marriage ceremony for one of >my >Chandlers. Here's the rest of the info that was in the census. It appears >that he owned quite a bit of real estate. > >Name Age Occupation R.E. Value >Pers.Est. Value > >Long, Isaac 51 Tunker minister and farmer 16,000 > 2,000 >Eliza 47 Keeping house >William 23 Lends (???) Saw Mill >Franklin 21 Works on farm >Susan 17 Assist. H. Keeper >Elizabeth 14 At School >Daniel 12 At School >Sutphi (??), William 22 Works on farm >Morris, Sarah 21 Dom. Servant > >Maybe another list member can figure out the 2 words I couldn't read, Lends >(??) and Sutphi (??). > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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In a message dated 11/13/99 5:13:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, bjkmiller@uswest.net writes: << Could anyone tell me anything about a Rev. Isaac Long of Rockingham Co. (Port Republic). >> I have no real connection to Rev. Isaac Long, but I located him in the 1850 Rockingham County, Virginia census a while back and xeroxed the page he was on. I thought he was interesting because his occupation was given as "Tunker minister and farmer." And, he performed the marriage ceremony for one of my Chandlers. Here's the rest of the info that was in the census. It appears that he owned quite a bit of real estate. Name Age Occupation R.E. Value Pers.Est. Value Long, Isaac 51 Tunker minister and farmer 16,000 2,000 Eliza 47 Keeping house William 23 Lends (???) Saw Mill Franklin 21 Works on farm Susan 17 Assist. H. Keeper Elizabeth 14 At School Daniel 12 At School Sutphi (??), William 22 Works on farm Morris, Sarah 21 Dom. Servant Maybe another list member can figure out the 2 words I couldn't read, Lends (??) and Sutphi (??).

Could anyone tell me anything about a Rev. Isaac Long of Rockingham Co. (Port Republic). Information seems to indicated that he was a minister in the Port Republic-Lynnwood area around 1860-70. Found Rev. Long's name on my g grandmother's Pension Application for Widow of Confederate Soldier. Place of marriage is Port Republic. Date does not match up with other information that I have. Thank you, Betty

> Regarding the request for suggestions about the confusion concerning the > children of Zachariah Crawford and whether or not there was a Zachariah Crawford > Sr. and a Zachariah Crawford Jr., I would refer you to the 1810 census of > Rockingham County, Virginia, on which only one man named Zachariah Crawford was > listed (on page #147). He was listed on the 1810 census of Rockingham Co., Va., > as a man who was OVER the age of 45 at that time, or rather born PRIOR to 1765. > He was listed on this 1810 census with three young boys who were under the age > of 10, at this time, and two young boys who were 10 -16 years old, and one young > boy who was 16-26 years old, and another male who was 26-45 years old. One of > the two boys who was listed here as between 10 and 16 years of age may have been > your Zachariah Crawford, Jr. Perhaps it was Zachariah Crawford, Sr., who was > the son of the man named Jeremiah that you referred to in your message, and > Zachariah Crawford Jr. was the son of the aforementioned Zachariah Sr., who > appears to have been listed on the 1810 census. Zachariah Sr. was also listed > with a wife who was also over the age of 45 and a young girl who was under the > age of ten as well as another girl who was 26 - 45 years old. Other Crawfords who were listed on the 1810 census of Rockingham Co., Va. was a man named Martin Crawford (page #147). He was listed as a 26-45 year old male with a wife of the same age group and a son who was 10 -16 years old; there was also a man named William Crawford (page #138) who was also listed as a 26-45 year old man with a wife who was also 26-45 years old and they had no sons but 3 daughters who were under the age of 10 at that time. There was also an elderly woman named Sarah Crawford who was listed on the 1810 census of Rockingham Co., VA., however, there were actually two women listed in this home who were both over the age of 45 at that time. Don't know who the other woman was. There was no listed of anyone named Jeremiah Crawford of Rockingham County, VA., on the 1810 census, however, there was a man named Jeremiah Crawford listed on the 1810 census of Monroe Co., VA., who was 26-45 years old. Hope some of this helps to some extent./Kelly > > > > Subject: [VAROCKIN] Zachariah Crawford b. 1795 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:53:05 EST > From: WValadybug@aol.com > To: VAROCKIN-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear List Servs; > > It was recently brought to my attention that Zachariah Crawford would > have been to young to have children, as I have him listed below, but he is in > the 1850 Rockingham census as being 55, with the family I have. Any > suggestions? I'm really confused on this now... > > ZACHARIAH2 CRAWFORD, son of JERIMIAH, was born 1795 in Rockingham Co. VA. > He married LEIVY. > >>Children of ZACHARIAH CRAWFORD and LEIVY are: > i. JOHN CRAWFORD, b. 1806. > ii. OBEDIAH CRAWFORD, b. 1807, Virginia. > iii. GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1812, Virginia. > iv. ROBERT CRAWFORD, b. 1821; m. SARAH. > > The information above gives Zachariah's birth as 1795. He would have been > age 11 and 12 when the first two children were born. Could John b. 1806 > and Obediah b. 1807 have been brothers? Or sons of another (perhaps > Zachariah's uncle) Zachariah? I, too, am looking for a Zachariah > Crawford who lived in Rockingham Co. I have seen listed a Zachariah Jr > and Zachariah Sr as serving in the militia 1815-1817. Any ideas? > Mae

Just to clarify what census information is available for Rockingham County: At the Family Tree Maker site http://www.familytreemaker.com/ Look on the right hand side of the page for an open book inside a circle. Click on that (Genealogy.com). For $9.99, one can buy a ONE MONTH subscription to this site that contains a lot more than just census information. The ACTUAL census images for 1850 Virginia plus actual census images for number of other states is available here. Also available are the Virginia census INDEXES 1810 through 1870--among other states. This is a searchable site. FTM also has CD's for sale, including the 1850 Virginia actual census images with index included (CD #309); the 1860 index for Rockingham County, among other counties, (CD #318); and the 1870 VA and WVA census index (CD #290). Understand that these CD's can ONLY be viewed through FTM's genealogy software program whereas their on-line site--with the same information--does not need the program. ************** Actual census images by COUNTY are available at http://www.allcensus.com/AllcensusFrames.html including Rockingham 1860, 1870, 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920. These are .tif images (excellent quality) but unfortunately are $49.00 each. These census images do NOT include an index. Several imaging programs are avilable on the CD's. ******************* An Index to the 1880 Census for Rockingham County was published by Iberian Publishing Company. It can be purchased through the bookstore at Shenandoah Valley Folk Art & Heritage Center. (I THINK about $10.00.) http://www.heritagecenter.com/Contact/Contact.html The site lists genealogy books available for Virginia, but the list it is not complete. If you are lucky enough, when you phone, to reach an experienced volunteer, she might suggest other books. I shall always be grateful for the suggestion that I purchase "Abstracts of Executor, Administrator, and Guardian Bonds of Rockingham County, Virginia 1778-1864" ($10.00). ************************ The Family History Centers can order actual census images for your use--I believe by county--for a nominal fee. They will keep the microfilm at their local Center for your use for a couple of weeks. (No index with these microfilms.) ************** So many people have said, "Do not count on indexes." They are so right! Find the neighborhood where your family lived and wander through it. You will be surprised at what you find. Great fun. ***************** I unfortunately find that I do not have the time to do lookups. Maggie

This is the NARA Genealogy site. Everything you ever wanted to know about census records but were afraid to ask. http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/ Alley

Crawford does not appear on the 1850 R'ham census with those children. What you have is someone's work that is in an apparent mess. Number one rule for doing genealogy is to work backwards in time. There just is no other way to do it if you want it done correctly. When you get info such as that below, you have no way of knowing if it is correct, if the information has been documented, or if it is truly your line. There's an excellent article on the web by Richard Pence which will give you guidelines and Richard also includes information on how to use census records. The site can be found at: http://everton.com/GENEALOG/GENEALOG.FHSEARCH A lot of census records are not indexed and the indexes that do exist are not always accurate. The only way to document your work is to view the actual census films. You'll need to visit your library to view the films. If the film you need is not in stock the library will order it for you. The census info will not look anything like the presentation below. There are books available that you can either purchase or request a look-up but you really need to see an actual film and you need to know what census records are about and how to use them. It's very enjoyable to work backwards in time and find the siblings on a census record. Then, by the time you get back to 1795, you'll know if those are brothers, cousins or whatever. Alley -----Original Message----- From: WValadybug@aol.com <WValadybug@aol.com> To: VAROCKIN-L@rootsweb.com <VAROCKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Zachariah Crawford b. 1795 >Dear List Servs; > > It was recently brought to my attention that Zachariah Crawford would >have been to young to have children, as I have him listed below, but he is in >the 1850 Rockingham census as being 55, with the family I have. Any >suggestions? I'm really confused on this now... > > ZACHARIAH2 CRAWFORD, son of JERIMIAH, was born 1795 in Rockingham Co. VA. >He married LEIVY. >>>Children of ZACHARIAH CRAWFORD and LEIVY are: > i. JOHN CRAWFORD, b. 1806. > ii. OBEDIAH CRAWFORD, b. 1807, Virginia. > iii. GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1812, Virginia. > iv. ROBERT CRAWFORD, b. 1821; m. SARAH. > > > > >The information above gives Zachariah's birth as 1795. He would have been >age 11 and 12 when the first two children were born. Could John b. 1806 >and Obediah b. 1807 have been brothers? Or sons of another (perhaps >Zachariah's uncle) Zachariah? I, too, am looking for a Zachariah >Crawford who lived in Rockingham Co. I have seen listed a Zachariah Jr >and Zachariah Sr as serving in the militia 1815-1817. Any ideas? >Mae > >

Diane, As far as I know, the 1870 census is not online anywhere at this time. You will have to go to someplace like an LDS Family History Center, look at the index, and then order the microfilms. As information for others that might need census information, this is what I've found so far: 1810 and 1820 Census http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/rockingh.htm 1810 and 1820 Census, 1830, 1840, and 1850 Indexes ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/rockingham/census/ 1850 Census (Original Pages with Index) http://www.familytreemaker.com/_glc_/index.html (This is a pay site but does have some databases not available elsewhere, especially for Rockingham, so it's probably a decent buy.) Jim Cooke Petaluma CA | -----Original Message----- | From: VAROCKIN-L-request@rootsweb.com | [mailto:VAROCKIN-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of WValadybug@aol.com | Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 20:44 | To: VAROCKIN-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: [VAROCKIN] 1870 Census | | | | Is there an 1870 census for Rockingham County? If so, can anyone | tell me how | I can do a look up or help me do a look up. | | thanks | | Diane | WVALadybug@aol.com |

For everyone who lives close enough to attend: the Genealogy Committee of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham Historical Society is having another Genealogy Roundtable next Thursday, November 18 at 7:00 at the Rockingham County Administration Building in Harrisonburg. Dale Harter will present a program entitled "Researching Your Civil War Ancestors". Admission is free so come on out and enjoy a special evening! If you need any more information just send me an e-mail Harriet

Dear List Servs; It was recently brought to my attention that Zachariah Crawford would have been to young to have children, as I have him listed below, but he is in the 1850 Rockingham census as being 55, with the family I have. Any suggestions? I'm really confused on this now... ZACHARIAH2 CRAWFORD, son of JERIMIAH, was born 1795 in Rockingham Co. VA. He married LEIVY. >>Children of ZACHARIAH CRAWFORD and LEIVY are: i. JOHN CRAWFORD, b. 1806. ii. OBEDIAH CRAWFORD, b. 1807, Virginia. iii. GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1812, Virginia. iv. ROBERT CRAWFORD, b. 1821; m. SARAH. The information above gives Zachariah's birth as 1795. He would have been age 11 and 12 when the first two children were born. Could John b. 1806 and Obediah b. 1807 have been brothers? Or sons of another (perhaps Zachariah's uncle) Zachariah? I, too, am looking for a Zachariah Crawford who lived in Rockingham Co. I have seen listed a Zachariah Jr and Zachariah Sr as serving in the militia 1815-1817. Any ideas? Mae

Is there an 1870 census for Rockingham County? If so, can anyone tell me how I can do a look up or help me do a look up. thanks Diane WVALadybug@aol.com

I am looking for any information on the following people: 1. JERIMIAH1 CRAWFORD was born Abt. 1758. He married REBECCA. More About JERIMIAH CRAWFORD: Census: 1790, Amherst Co. VA More About REBECCA: Census: 1840, Amherst Co. VA Children of JERIMIAH CRAWFORD and REBECCA are: 2. i. JOHN2 CRAWFORD, b. 1793. 3. ii. ZACHARIAH CRAWFORD, b. 1795, Rockingham Co. VA. iii. JONATHON CRAWFORD, b. 1800, Rockingham Co. VA; m. MILLY SHIFTLET. More About JONATHON CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA More About MILLY SHIFTLET: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA 2. JOHN2 CRAWFORD (JERIMIAH1) was born 1793. He married MATILDA. More About MATILDA: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA Children of JOHN CRAWFORD and MATILDA are: i. JANE3 CRAWFORD, b. 1828. More About JANE CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA ii. HENRY CRAWFORD, b. 1821. More About HENRY CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA iii. LAWRENCE CRAWFORD, b. Abt. April 1831, Rockingham Co. VA; m. ELIZABETH FRANCES TALLEY, December 21, 1860. More About LAWRENCE CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA iv. CASIE CRAWFORD, b. 1834. 3. ZACHARIAH2 CRAWFORD (JERIMIAH1) was born 1795 in Rockingham Co. VA. He married LEIVY. More About ZACHARIAH CRAWFORD: Census: 1840, Rockingham Co. VA More About LEIVY: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA Children of ZACHARIAH CRAWFORD and LEIVY are: 4. i. JOHN3 CRAWFORD, b. 1806. 5. ii. OBEDIAH CRAWFORD, b. 1807, Virginia. 6. iii. GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1812, Virginia. iv. ROBERT CRAWFORD, b. 1821; m. SARAH. More About ROBERT CRAWFORD: Census: 1840, Rockingham Co. VA More About SARAH: Census: 1840, Rockingham Co. VA v. JOSHUA CRAWFORD, b. 1827. More About JOSHUA CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA vi. BENJAMIN CRAWFORD, b. 1830. More About BENJAMIN CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA vii. CHARLES CRAWFORD, b. 1836. More About CHARLES CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA viii. JANE CRAWFORD, b. 1839. More About JANE CRAWFORD: Census: 1860, Rockingham Co. VA ix. MARGARET CRAWFORD, b. 1842. More About MARGARET CRAWFORD: Census: 1860, Rockingham Co. VA x. CAROLINE CRAWFORD, b. 1843. More About CAROLINE CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA xi. HENRETTA CRAWFORD, b. 1844. 4. JOHN CRAWFORD (ZACHARIAH2, JERIMIAH1) was born 1806. He married MARY. More About JOHN CRAWFORD: Census: 1830, Rockingham Co. VA More About MARY: Census: 1840, Rockingham Co. VA Child of JOHN CRAWFORD and MARY is: i. SARAH A.4 CRAWFORD, b. 1839. More About SARAH A. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA 5. OBEDIAH3 CRAWFORD (ZACHARIAH2, JERIMIAH1) was born 1807 in Virginia. He married ANNIE WIANT. More About OBEDIAH CRAWFORD: Burial: Crawford Cemetary, Straight Fork, Upshur County, WV Census: 1860, Upshur County WV Census More About ANNIE WIANT: Burial: Crawford Cemetary, Straight Fork, Upshur County, WV Census: 1860, Upshur County WV Census Children of OBEDIAH CRAWFORD and ANNIE WIANT are: 7. i. CALLEY4 CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1828, Virginia; d. 1862. 8. ii. JOSEPH CRAWFORD, b. May 14, 1831, Virginia; d. October 16, 1909, Upshur County, WV. iii. SARAH A. CRAWFORD, b. 1834. More About SARAH A. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Lewis County, WV Census 9. iv. JOHN CRAWFORD, b. June 16, 1836, Virginia. v. BARBARA CRAWFORD, b. 1837. More About BARBARA CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Lewis County, WV Census vi. AMANDA CRAWFORD, b. 1841. More About AMANDA CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Lewis County, WV Census 6. GEORGE W.3 CRAWFORD (ZACHARIAH2, JERIMIAH1) was born 1812 in Virginia. He married MARIA M. TALLEY 1832. More About GEORGE W. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA More About MARIA M. TALLEY: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA Children of GEORGE CRAWFORD and MARIA TALLEY are: i. NANCY J.4 CRAWFORD, b. 1833. More About NANCY J. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA ii. MARY A. CRAWFORD, b. 1836. More About MARY A. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA iii. SARAH C. CRAWFORD, b. 1839. More About SARAH C. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA iv. MARTHA CRAWFORD, b. 1841. More About MARTHA CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA v. WILLIAM H. H. CRAWFORD, b. 1847. More About WILLIAM H. H. CRAWFORD: Census: 1850, Rockingham Co. VA 10. vi. ZACHARIAH F. CRAWFORD, b. 1849. Thanks for any and all help. Diane

For the person asking about Rockingham County cencss info, go to http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/VA/Rockingham/. This is a good starting point and there are links to other sites with Rockingham County information. Jim Cooke Petaluma CA

Does anyone have a web site for the Rockingham Co. Census records?

There are two John Jones listed in "Rockingham County Men in Gray". Neither listing mentions a wife. 1) Mother's name was Mary. Two brothers who also enlisted: Evan and Isreal. Died 8/19/1912. Burial St. Lukes Church Cemetery, Moores Store area, Shenandoah County 2) Service record only. Resident of Rockingham County.

Does anyone have the Rockingham County, Men in Gray book that could do a quick lookup for me? Many thanks in advance. I am looking for a John Jones/John Benton Jones, b. in Shenandoah Co m. Catherine Web. Married aboout 1861. was he with a Rockingham County outfit in the Civil War? betty