If I recall John Wayland's analysis correctly, the original road through the Valley ran closer to the Massanutten Mountain than Rt. 11 does. I believe it followed closer to the road that goes through Keezletown and on to Weyers Cave. That road crosses current Rt. 33 at Peale's Crossroad - very near Penn Laird, and only a few miles from McGaheysville. The pass over the Blue Ridge at Swift Run Gap was also a very early road into the Valley (current Rt. 33) Harriet On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:45:01 -0500, Mike and Amber Sellers <[email protected]> wrote: > My Zeller-Sellers ancestors migrated from (possibly) Lancaster County, > PA, > to Rockingham Co., VA, in 1748/1749. They settled in the area to the > east > of present-day McGaheysville. Since the Peaked Mountain and what not > would've bordered this "Great Wagon Road" to the east as it wound its way > towards Harrisonburg, is there any idea of how settlers may have turned > off > this road before reaching Harrisonburg in order to make it over towards > McGaheysville? Or perhaps there was a gap or road thru the mountain > which > allowed them to make it to Elkton and then down to McGaheysville? I > guess > I'm wondering if anyone has knowledge of how settlers might have migrated > over to McGaheysville from Lancaster County, PA, if indeed they had used > the > Great Wagon Road? > > My apologies if this question gets us off on an unwanted tangent ... > > Michael Sellers >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Reid (Reed) Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5BC.2ACI/1521 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information about Isaac Reid (Reed). I know he was born in 1805 and died in 1861. His parents were Abraham Reid and Elizabeth Brubaker. I am interested in trying to figure out where he and his parents may be buried. Isaac must be within walking distance of the old Spitzer farm owned by Paul & Mary Layman, before them Grover & Ethel Spitzer, before them Ambrose & Matrona Spitzer in Mayland off of Phillips Store Road. Was he actually married to Sarah Spitzer? What was the relation to the Knupps? I have a copy of his will that mentions the Knupp and Reid farm. Any other info would be helpful. Thanks, Don P.S. Isaac's daughter Matrona was my great grandmother.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5BC.2ACI/1473.2.1 Message Board Post: On the monument, it lists Andrew and three of his grand children that died as infants but there is no mention of Elizabeth.

So also my ancestors, both Scotch-Irish Presbyterian "PHARES" and German "BIBLE", both before 1750, settling in what is now Rockingham Co., VA and late in the 1700 moving into what is now Pendleton Co., and Randolph Co.,WV. Elihu F. Phares 2104 NE 45 Street Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33308-4725 Ph/Fax: 954-492-8254 e-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Bloss<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Great Waggon Road I have info that says most of the people who moved from near Philadelphia to the Shenandoah Valley came on a route that passed through Gettsburg, on to Frederick MD, Winchester VA and then into the Valley c-1700's. Dick Bloss mine make the trip c-1750 --- "Keneth M. Runyon" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > The Great Wagon followed the same route as rt.11 > today. Ken > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > I have Scotch-Irish and German ancestors who > settled in Rockinghan Co. in > > the 1700's I am trying to figure out if they > came mid-way across > > Pennsylvania and dropped down into the Valley, or > if they came from the eastern counties > > of Pennsylvania and crossed more of Maryland to > get to the Valley. And then > > I saw a reference to the Great Waggon Road, but > no info on where it ran. > > Does anyone have any more information on this? > Thanks for the help. Karen > > Lee Williamsburg,VA > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com<http://mail.yahoo.com/>

The Great Wagon followed the same route as rt.11 today. Ken [email protected] wrote: > I have Scotch-Irish and German ancestors who settled in Rockinghan Co. in > the 1700's I am trying to figure out if they came mid-way across > Pennsylvania and dropped down into the Valley, or if they came from the eastern counties > of Pennsylvania and crossed more of Maryland to get to the Valley. And then > I saw a reference to the Great Waggon Road, but no info on where it ran. > Does anyone have any more information on this? Thanks for the help. Karen > Lee Williamsburg,VA > >

Interstate 81 runs north from Hagerstown to Harrisburg, then east for 20-30 miles then turning north to Scranton, PA. US 30 runs from Gettysburgh east to Pittsburg, but west of Gettysburg seems too far north. But don't see a modern day connection that goes from Hagerstown to Gettysburg. --- Ross Webster <[email protected]> wrote: > Looks lie Interstate 81 today in many respects. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Great Waggon Road > > > A map of the Great Philadelphia Wagon Rd: > http://philnorf.tripod.com/mapofthe.htm > > > Some history: > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/wagon_road.htm > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

My Zeller-Sellers ancestors migrated from (possibly) Lancaster County, PA, to Rockingham Co., VA, in 1748/1749. They settled in the area to the east of present-day McGaheysville. Since the Peaked Mountain and what not would've bordered this "Great Wagon Road" to the east as it wound its way towards Harrisonburg, is there any idea of how settlers may have turned off this road before reaching Harrisonburg in order to make it over towards McGaheysville? Or perhaps there was a gap or road thru the mountain which allowed them to make it to Elkton and then down to McGaheysville? I guess I'm wondering if anyone has knowledge of how settlers might have migrated over to McGaheysville from Lancaster County, PA, if indeed they had used the Great Wagon Road? My apologies if this question gets us off on an unwanted tangent ... Michael Sellers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bloss" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Great Waggon Road > I have info that says most of the people who moved > from near Philadelphia to the Shenandoah Valley came > on a route that passed through Gettsburg, on to > Frederick MD, Winchester VA and then into the Valley > c-1700's. > > Dick Bloss mine make the trip c-1750 > > --- "Keneth M. Runyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Great Wagon followed the same route as rt.11 > > today. Ken > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > I have Scotch-Irish and German ancestors who > > settled in Rockinghan Co. in > > > the 1700's I am trying to figure out if they > > came mid-way across > > > Pennsylvania and dropped down into the Valley, or > > if they came from the eastern counties > > > of Pennsylvania and crossed more of Maryland to > > get to the Valley. And then > > > I saw a reference to the Great Waggon Road, but > > no info on where it ran. > > > Does anyone have any more information on this? > > Thanks for the help. Karen > > > Lee Williamsburg,VA > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

I have info that says most of the people who moved from near Philadelphia to the Shenandoah Valley came on a route that passed through Gettsburg, on to Frederick MD, Winchester VA and then into the Valley c-1700's. Dick Bloss mine make the trip c-1750 --- "Keneth M. Runyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > The Great Wagon followed the same route as rt.11 > today. Ken > > [email protected] wrote: > > I have Scotch-Irish and German ancestors who > settled in Rockinghan Co. in > > the 1700's I am trying to figure out if they > came mid-way across > > Pennsylvania and dropped down into the Valley, or > if they came from the eastern counties > > of Pennsylvania and crossed more of Maryland to > get to the Valley. And then > > I saw a reference to the Great Waggon Road, but > no info on where it ran. > > Does anyone have any more information on this? > Thanks for the help. Karen > > Lee Williamsburg,VA > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Looks lie Interstate 81 today in many respects. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Great Waggon Road A map of the Great Philadelphia Wagon Rd: http://philnorf.tripod.com/mapofthe.htm Some history: http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/wagon_road.htm

A map of the Great Philadelphia Wagon Rd: http://philnorf.tripod.com/mapofthe.htm Some history: http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/wagon_road.htm

I have Scotch-Irish and German ancestors who settled in Rockinghan Co. in the 1700's I am trying to figure out if they came mid-way across Pennsylvania and dropped down into the Valley, or if they came from the eastern counties of Pennsylvania and crossed more of Maryland to get to the Valley. And then I saw a reference to the Great Waggon Road, but no info on where it ran. Does anyone have any more information on this? Thanks for the help. Karen Lee Williamsburg,VA

Mitzie Preston- Do you know what the last line means: "acknowledged by Samuel Cootes Justice of the Peace in Frederick Co. and Samuel Cootes oath is again subscribed by H. J. Gambil, Clerk of Rockingham County, VA."? Would this mean that Christian Haas/Hass/Hawse sent his letter about John Krim from Rockingham Co. to Frederick Co.? I see that there was a Henry J. Gambill who was Clerk of Rockingham County Virginia in the 1832 - 1837 period. The name Samuel Cootes, too, is interesting. A Samuel Cootes was the founder of Cootes Store at Brocks Gap, Rockingham Co., Virginia. However, this Frederick Co. Samuel Cootes who was a JP apparently is an altogether different person. Another interesting ramification of this pension application is that, if this is my Christian Haas/Hass/Hawse, he too would have been eligible for a pensions as Revolutionary War Veteran, Christian would have been at a prime military age in 1777. The Pennsylvania Militia was organized in March 17, 1777 and required compulsory enrollment of all able-bodied white males between the ages of 18 and 53. A "Christian Haasse" served on active duty in the Northampton Co. Pennsylvania Militia, during the Revolutionary War. He was substituting for David Brucker. That Christian was probably the one that later moved to the South Branch of the Potomac River in Hampshire Co., (West) Virginia. He appears there in the 1840 census while my ancestor appeared in the 1840 Rockingham Co., Virginia census. Christian Haas #S 5,478, Rev War Service in VA: Christian Haas, a resident of the South Branch of the Potomac River in Hampshire County, appeared in Open Court on 18 Aug 1832 filing for Rev War Pension. He was about 76 years old and was born in Strasburg, Germany. Before moving to VA he lived in Northampton Co PA. He served 7 years as a private. Pension granted. This Christian cannot be the same person as my Christian. I have never found pension records for Christian Haas/Hass/Hawse of Rockingham Co., Virginia. I actively solicit any information from anyone who has anything to contribute. This is my brick wall -- one of them. Regards- Paul Hawes At 05:00 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote: >X-Message: #3 >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:15:39 -0500 >From: Madaline Preston <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Christian Haas >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >For those of you looking for a Christian Haas I can offer >the following from John Krim's Rev. War pension >application. John was born in Earl Township, Lancaster Co., >PA in 1755. > >"On this seventh day of June 1834 personally appeared in >open Court before Circuit Superior of law and ch…..for the >court of Frederick County now sitting John Krim a resident, >near Chrisman’s Springs of the said County of Frederick and >State of Virginia aged seventy eight years, October 1833 who >being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath >makes the following declaration, in order to obtain the >benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed >June 7th 1832. That he started from Lancaster Co., Earl & >Are…Township, in the State of Pennsylvania on the 9th or >10th of March 1776 as 1st Sargent in a company of Riflemen >of the Pennsylvania Militia - which company was commanded by >Captain Andrew Bare at that time. That Jacob Miar was First >Lieutenant in said Company and Christian HAAS or Hofs was >second Lieutenant or ensign at the same time." > >"....That since he made the Declaration under which he now >draws his Pension of $33.66 per annum, on the said >Certificate, he has discovered that the before named >Christian HAAS or Hoss (Hofs?) is alive, whom he believes >was dec'd when he made said declaration and that he makes >this second Declaration to establish his right to a larger >Pension, by the evidence of this last mentioned officer." > >Christian Hawse testifies by letter that John Krim was in a >company of Riflemen commanded by Andrew Bare. This >deposition was acknowledged by Samuel Cootes Justice of the >Peace in Frederick Co. and Samuel Cootes oath is >again “subscribed” by H. J. Gambil, Clerk of Rockingham >County, VA. > >Mitzie >Mitzie Preston >College of Business >Administrative Staff >3rd Floor Work Center M. Paul Hawes North Carolina I receive more than enough e-mail. Please do not send jokes, virus warnings, or chain letters.

Here is another one for you: Augusta/Rockingham County, Virginia Charles RUSH, 343 acres, South Side of Peaked Mountain. Adjoining George SHAVER, GUISSE, Phillip HAWS. April 7, 1784 Another thing I have found on the name HASS is that sometimes the name will be transcribed HUFF. HUFF is a valid surname for the area; however, when you consider the script of the times "ss" can also look like "ff" or "pp". This is usually easy to figure out if you have the actual copy of the original document and if you have become familiar with the neighborhood where you are studying. Another spelling: John BENSON, 190 acres, between the East Draft of Cooks Creek. Adjoining HUSES, Archeblald RETHERFORD near the Bear Wallow, Johnathan SHIPMAN. September 30, 1791 On Feb. 22, 1753 Peter REED sold to Peter HAAS Lot. No. 1 on the south Fork of the Wappacomo also known as the Great S. Branch of the Potomack. 680 Acres. In Norman L. Baker's "French & Indian War in Frederick County, Virginia Page 108 "However, Sarah HAWES, wife of Peter HAWES, and a boy named Wallace were captured by two Indians along a path north for the fort as they went out to milk some cows. Mrs. HAWES initially resisted-----------------------------------------." In the above paragraph, Capt. SEYBERT's son Nicholas is mentioned. Going back into the early Augusta-Rockingham County, VA land records you find that Capt. SEYBERT is much involved in the counties land transactions. All this to say that I have found that spelling is rarely consistent.

For those of you looking for a Christian Haas I can offer the following from John Krim's Rev. War pension application. John was born in Earl Township, Lancaster Co., PA in 1755. "On this seventh day of June 1834 personally appeared in open Court before Circuit Superior of law and ch…..for the court of Frederick County now sitting John Krim a resident, near Chrisman’s Springs of the said County of Frederick and State of Virginia aged seventy eight years, October 1833 who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath makes the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed June 7th 1832. That he started from Lancaster Co., Earl & Are…Township, in the State of Pennsylvania on the 9th or 10th of March 1776 as 1st Sargent in a company of Riflemen of the Pennsylvania Militia - which company was commanded by Captain Andrew Bare at that time. That Jacob Miar was First Lieutenant in said Company and Christian HAAS or Hofs was second Lieutenant or ensign at the same time." "....That since he made the Declaration under which he now draws his Pension of $33.66 per annum, on the said Certificate, he has discovered that the before named Christian HAAS or Hoss (Hofs?) is alive, whom he believes was dec'd when he made said declaration and that he makes this second Declaration to establish his right to a larger Pension, by the evidence of this last mentioned officer." Christian Hawse testifies by letter that John Krim was in a company of Riflemen commanded by Andrew Bare. This deposition was acknowledged by Samuel Cootes Justice of the Peace in Frederick Co. and Samuel Cootes oath is again “subscribed” by H. J. Gambil, Clerk of Rockingham County, VA. Mitzie Mitzie Preston College of Business Administrative Staff 3rd Floor Work Center

Michael Sellers- Yes, that is my ancestor. I wish that I knew why he was buried with the name of "Haas" when he used "Hause" in early Rockingham Co. records and "Hawse" later. He was also recorded as: 1810 census "Christian Hause, Sen." in Rockingham Co. 1820 census "Christian Hawse" in Rockingham Co. 1825 deed "Christian Hawse" to William Keister in Rockingham Co. 1829 deed "Christian Haws" to Jacob Bowman in Rockingham Co. 1830 deed "Christian Hause" to Peter Bowman in Rockingham Co. 1830 deeds (2) "Christian Hause" to John Ludwick in Rockingham Co. 1830 deed "Christian Hause" to John Bowman in Rockingham Co. 1830 census "Christopher Hause, Sr." in Rockingham Co. 1834 deed "Christian Hawes" to Abraham Zirkle in Rockingham Co. 1840 census shows a person between 80 -90 years of age living with Christian Hawse Jr. in Rockingham Co. 1848 deed "Christian Hawse, Sen." to Abraham Zirkle in Rockingham Co. 1850 census "Christian Haws" in Harrisonburg Twp., Rockingham Co., Virginia Rockingham Co., Virginia death record says that "Christian Hawse" was 100 years, 4 months, & 12 days old and that he was born in "Dry Fork" (wherever that is). His children used "Hawse". It seems that only Christian Sr.'s tombstone used "Haas". Of course, he could not have corrected that, but his children could have. I am attempting to trace Christian back to Pennsylvania. However, I do not know what Pennsylvania County Christian was from or how he spelled his name in Pennsylvania. Paul Hawes At 02:00 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:38:46 -0800 >From: "Mike and Amber Sellers" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Re: House, Haas, Hass, Hause, Horse families >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I don't know if this is any help but figured I'd pass it along anyway. >Online cemetery records for Rockingham County show a "Christian Haas" buried >in the Turley Cemetery in Turleytown, Rockingham County, Virginia. The >survey is posted of those buried in the cemetery at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/turley.htm > >Lois and Bob Emswiler noted their survey date as being in November 2001. >The notation for "Christian Haas" reads that he died "abt 1852" but that >there is currently no visible marker for him. They also noted Robert >Swank's 1967 survey notes which stated that Christian Haas "was buried here >and age 100+ years". > >Don't know if that helps, but it might at least put you in the right >direction and/or location. > >Michael Sellers M. Paul Hawes North Carolina I receive more than enough e-mail. Please do not send jokes, virus warnings, or chain letters.

Paul, Haas was probably the correct Germanic spelling of the name. I have Clore ancestors, yet we know that the true spelling in Germany was Klaar. I don't think his children changed it simply because he probably wanted it that way. Many people had to change the spellings or just go with what people could understand for spelling purposes because the names were of German origin and thus losing their identities, I am sure he wanted to leave as he came. Crowe was Crow before 1900 except on the tombstones. Crowe is Irish, Crow is English. After they died they didn't care and after 1900 there were so many Irish here it didn't matter. Just something to ponder. Erin T. Crowe IBSSG Let my kisses fall, Upon your starry eyes, The windows of your soul, Where all true beauty lies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hawes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Re: House, Haas, Hass, Hause, Horse families > Michael Sellers- > > Yes, that is my ancestor. I wish that I knew why he was buried with the > name of "Haas" when he used "Hause" in early Rockingham Co. records and > "Hawse" later. He was also recorded as: > > 1810 census "Christian Hause, Sen." in Rockingham Co. > > 1820 census "Christian Hawse" in Rockingham Co. > > 1825 deed "Christian Hawse" to William Keister in Rockingham Co. > > 1829 deed "Christian Haws" to Jacob Bowman in Rockingham Co. > > 1830 deed "Christian Hause" to Peter Bowman in Rockingham Co. > > 1830 deeds (2) "Christian Hause" to John Ludwick in Rockingham Co. > > 1830 deed "Christian Hause" to John Bowman in Rockingham Co. > > 1830 census "Christopher Hause, Sr." in Rockingham Co. > > 1834 deed "Christian Hawes" to Abraham Zirkle in Rockingham Co. > > 1840 census shows a person between 80 -90 years of age living with > Christian Hawse Jr. in Rockingham Co. > > 1848 deed "Christian Hawse, Sen." to Abraham Zirkle in Rockingham Co. > > 1850 census "Christian Haws" in Harrisonburg Twp., Rockingham Co., > Virginia > > Rockingham Co., Virginia death record says that "Christian Hawse" was 100 > years, 4 months, & 12 days old and that he was born in "Dry Fork" > (wherever that is). > > His children used "Hawse". It seems that only Christian Sr.'s tombstone > used "Haas". Of course, he could not have corrected that, but his children > could have. > > I am attempting to trace Christian back to Pennsylvania. However, I do not > know what Pennsylvania County Christian was from or how he spelled his > name in Pennsylvania. > > Paul Hawes > > > At 02:00 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >>X-Message: #2 >>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:38:46 -0800 >>From: "Mike and Amber Sellers" <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Re: House, Haas, Hass, Hause, Horse families >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>I don't know if this is any help but figured I'd pass it along anyway. >>Online cemetery records for Rockingham County show a "Christian Haas" >>buried >>in the Turley Cemetery in Turleytown, Rockingham County, Virginia. The >>survey is posted of those buried in the cemetery at >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/turley.htm >> >>Lois and Bob Emswiler noted their survey date as being in November 2001. >>The notation for "Christian Haas" reads that he died "abt 1852" but that >>there is currently no visible marker for him. They also noted Robert >>Swank's 1967 survey notes which stated that Christian Haas "was buried >>here >>and age 100+ years". >> >>Don't know if that helps, but it might at least put you in the right >>direction and/or location. >> >>Michael Sellers > > > M. Paul Hawes > North Carolina > > I receive more than enough e-mail. Please do not send jokes, virus > warnings, or chain letters.

I don't know if this is any help but figured I'd pass it along anyway. Online cemetery records for Rockingham County show a "Christian Haas" buried in the Turley Cemetery in Turleytown, Rockingham County, Virginia. The survey is posted of those buried in the cemetery at http://www.rootsweb.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/turley.htm Lois and Bob Emswiler noted their survey date as being in November 2001. The notation for "Christian Haas" reads that he died "abt 1852" but that there is currently no visible marker for him. They also noted Robert Swank's 1967 survey notes which stated that Christian Haas "was buried here and age 100+ years". Don't know if that helps, but it might at least put you in the right direction and/or location. Michael Sellers ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Re: House, Haas, Hass, Hause, Horse families > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: House, Haas, Hass, Hause, Horse families > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5BC.2ACI/1233.1 > > Message Board Post: > > I am researching Christian Hause/Hawse born in Pennsylvania about 1752 and died in Rockingham Co., Virginia in 1853. I do not know what Pennyslvania County Christian was from or how he spelled his name in Pennsylvania. I cannot find a connection with the Hardy County Hawse family but I am certain there was one. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: House, Haas, Hass, Hause, Horse families Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5BC.2ACI/1233.1 Message Board Post: I am researching Christian Hause/Hawse born in Pennsylvania about 1752 and died in Rockingham Co., Virginia in 1853. I do not know what Pennyslvania County Christian was from or how he spelled his name in Pennsylvania. I cannot find a connection with the Hardy County Hawse family but I am certain there was one.

On the 1850 census in Rockingham County in District No. 56, on page 69 in dwelling 915 and family 918 is a household of two people headed by Nancy Hoover, age 45, and Mary Hoover, age 16. I am trying to determine the maiden name of Nancy Hoover. Presumably Nancy would have married around 1825 or later. Thanks in advance. Jim Messersmith

I found the Last Will & Testament of a John Fudge (d. Rockingham 1784) buried in the Rockingham Land Causes. I don't descend from the Fudges, but hope this is useful to Fudge researchers. Last Will and Testament of John Fudge Rockingham County, Virginia Dated August 8, 1782; probated May 24, 1784 In the name of God Amen I John Futch of the county of Rockingham and state of Virginia being in my perfect sense & health thanks be to god for it. I do make and constitute this to be my last will & Testament. Impremis as hereafter shall follow. Item. I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Catreana my beds and furniture and one Cow, Half and one small Dish and three plates and one tin pan and three spoons and one Barell and one little pot and one pewter cup and ten Bushels of Wheat and seven Bushels of Rye and five Bushels of corn and three Bushels of Barley and one hundred weights of pork and fifty weight of Beef, all the above articles to be paid by any person that possesses (?) the said land that I now live on all to be paid yearly during my wife Catrina Futch her life and likewise she is to have privilege of the dwelling house and Garden and half an acre of good flax ground and ten pounds of land moiety from out of my estate and likewise is to be paid a horse at any time she shall want one and all these above articles left to my wife after her use, at her death to be equally divided between my four children John Fudge and Conrad Fudge and David Futch and Elizabeth Miller. Item, I give and bequeath unto my two grandsons sons of David Futch decd the tract of land that I was now live on to be equally divided between them Both Jacob Futch and David Futch, and my said Grandchildren is to pay to my Daughter Elizabeth Miller fifteen pounds Gold or silver when they come of age and my son John Futch five pounds to my Elizabeth Miller after my decease and twenty pounds to be drawn out of my moveable estate for my said Daughter and all my moveable estate at my decease to be sold at public sale and equally divided between my four children, John Futch Jr. and Conrad Futch, David Futch & Elizabeth Miller and I make & confirm John Futch Jr. my son and Jeremiah Beesley to be my executors to this my last Will and Testament, which is to remain in full force and power. As witness my hand & seal this 8th day of August 1782. Test John Futch (German) (seal) Bruten Smith John Futch his name in English Christian Futch -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Fudge, John m. Widow Shitley d. 1744 Among the many variant spellings of Schottli/ Schottly in America, Shitley was one. My 4GGM Anna Schottli's step-father was Hans/John Fotsch/Fudge who seems to have been a weaver who left Hallau, Schaffhausen in 1744 with a wife, 5 children and 3 stepchildren [Fotsch Hs., Weber, mit W., 5 K. und 3 Stiefk., nach Pennsylvanien]. I have list 106C for the Phoenix arrival in Philadelphia 20 Oct 1744, and I fail to see any likely suspects for Foutsch/Fotsch/Fudge or Schottli among the passengers. Do you still think that is a valid ship for them? The 1766 Augusta Co, VA court case where the 3 Schottli step-daughters are suing John Fotch for their inheritance states that Fotch left Germany in 1744 and landed in Maryland. I'd love to find a ship list for my 1744 arriving ancestors, and am trying to follow all leads. Thom Flory -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 7 Mar 2006 09:10:27 -0700 Subject: [VAROCKIN] Fudge, John m. Widow Shitley d. 1744 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: fudge, shitley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5BC.2ACI/1284.1 Message Board Post: Could the Schottly have been changed to Shitley? from on old post Info on John Foutch (Fudge) m. Widow Shitley 2nd wife. She died onboard Phoenix on way to U.S. Arrival 1744. Seeking name of 1st wife etc.