Marta, I noticed that one of your associated families was Propst. My 3 great-grandmother was Elizabeth Propst. She married Jacob Shaeffer in Shenandoah County. They moved to Rockingham County and had at least 4 children while they lived around Dayton. During the Civil War, as legend has it, some of the fighting happened on their land and they left the area and came to Ohio. Do you have any record of this family? I have not found any info of where this family was located prior to this. There are so many ways of spelling Shaeffer/Shaffer/Schaffer/Shafer/Shaver that it is hard to determine the families needed. Thanks for any information that you might have to send. Bonnie Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: <Emjuma3@aol.com> To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford Marta 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his branches?' --Doyle M Davis Associated families Bixler, Brenneman, Coffman, Craun, Diehl, Fifer, Garber, Glick (GLÜCK), Griffith, Kyger, Landes, Landis, Laymon, Miller, Propes, Propst, Reeves, Royer, Ruff, Shank, Smith, Strickler, Swank, Thomas, Welch, Ziegler of the Shenandoah Valley of VA **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 5/12/2008 6:14 PM

Thank you for the link to Mt Crawford Cemetery information!! I can now rule out that he was buried there. Phyllis -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford There is no Frederick Brandt listed in Mt. Crawford Cemetery: _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/mt_crawford01.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/mt_crawford01.htm)

The Battle of Piedmont was fought on June 5, 1864. The battle is named after a little village north of Waynesboro and southwest of Port Republic. _http://valley.vcdh.virginia.edu/HIUS403/auhome/piedmont.html_ (http://valley.vcdh.virginia.edu/HIUS403/auhome/piedmont.html) Marta 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his branches?' --Doyle M Davis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

There is no Frederick Brandt listed in Mt. Crawford Cemetery: _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/mt_crawford01.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varockin/HRHS/cem/mt_crawford01.htm) Marta 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his branches?' --Doyle M Davis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

In the case of Mt. Crawford, Mt. Sidney, Mt. Jackson,etc., Mt. is the abbreviation for Mount not Mountain. I was thinking someone would jump in and explain why, so, since no one has let me explain. Before the days of the automobile and when people got around by horse or horse and carriage, as they traveled from place to place their horses or mounts would get tired and they would need a replacement if they were traveling to the next town. Mt. Crawford, Mt. Sidney, Mt. Jackson, etc. were designated towns where you could find a reliable replacement mount....horse. Also, I have a really cool picture of Mt. Crawford Cemetery if anyone is interested. I used the picture as a screensaver on my desktop for the longest time. Last summer my cousin and I discovered it by accident. It's located in Mt. Crawford just behind and I mean, just behind some old houses and a church that are located right on the main road through Mt. Crawford. We were on the way to dinner to another cousin's home in Broadway...and looked over to our right and in between the house we could see gravestones. We were so excited, but disappointed to because we did not have time to check it out right away. After dinner and while driving back to our motel (The Village Inn) we both decided we couldn't wait until morning. We went to Sheets Gas Station, bought a couple of flashlights and after locating the cemetery walked up and down the rows and rows of headstones shining our flashlights on each one looking for Fifers. It was a warm August night and I was barefoot. We had so much fun!!! We visited it again in November and it was so cold and windy that day we got windburn. And, we were taking pictures with our mittens on. As we were leaving I looked in my rearview mirror and that's when I saw the Mt. Crawford Cemetery wrought iron sign across the entrance way. Please let me know if you would like a picture. Marta 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his branches?' --Doyle M Davis Associated families Bixler, Brenneman, Coffman, Craun, Diehl, Fifer, Garber, Glick (GLÜCK), Griffith, Kyger, Landes, Landis, Laymon, Miller, Propes, Propst, Reeves, Royer, Ruff, Shank, Smith, Strickler, Swank, Thomas, Welch, Ziegler of the Shenandoah Valley of VA **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Another source: "Mosby's Rangers' The True Adventures of The Most Famous Command of the Civil War By Jeffry D. WERT Page 169 "Springtime of Change" -----------the struggle for Virginia was interworven with events in the great valley beyond the Blue Ridge. the presence of a substantial number of Confederate troops in the region resulted from Union Major General David HUNTER's fiery march into the upper Shenandoah Valley. When HUNTER replaced SIGEL after New Market, GRANT ordered the new commander to advance on Staunton, a Confederate supply base, destroy the facilities and from there, penetrate deeper into the upper Valley, moving either toward Lynchburg or Gordonsvill and Charlottesville east of the Blue Ridge. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HUNTER performed skillfully during the early phases of the operation. Sweeping aside a small Confederate force at the Battle of Piedmont on June 5, HUNTER's 8500-man army entered Staunton the next day. The work of destruction began immediately and when 10,000 additional troops under Brigadier General George CROOK joined HUNTERS on the eighth, the Federals marched southward. On June 11, the Yankees occupied Lexington, where HUNTER ordered the buring of the Virginia Military Institute buildings.----------------- The above was taken by the author from "Mosby, Memoirs" and "War Reminiscences" by MONTEIRO. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Paper: Republican Vindicator, July 8, 1864 The Enemy in the Valley (Column 2) Summary: The editor offers a long account of the recent battles in the Valley, noting the desire of the enemy to occupy this important area of the state and detailing the troop movements, advances, and defeats in the Valley in recent weeks. Full Text of Article: The Enemy in the Valley. The occupation of the Valley of Virginia has long been a much desired object with the Yankee Nation. Many have been their attempts to obtain full possession of it and as often have they been sent back howling to the banks of the Potomac. But a few weeks since they essayed it again and met an invincible host of heroes under Breckinridge, at New Market, whence they fled, whipped and demoralized, to their old retreat. From some, to us, incomprehensible cause, soon thereafter, nearly all the forces who had gained this glorious victory over the army of Siegel, were withdrawn from our midst and as soon began the reorganization of Siegel's routed troops under the renegade Hunter. They advanced, and the handful of men under Imboden, left here to protect one of the richest and most important portions of the State, were compelled to fall back to a point in the rear, selected and fortified for the purpose of giving the invaders battle. The enemy attempted and nearly succeeded in flanking this position when the movement was discovered. Our small forces, then reinforced by Gen. Wm. E. Jones' command and the Reserves of this and adjoining counties, moved to meet them, and an engagement took place near Piedmont, about eleven miles distant from Staunton. The enemy's different charges had been repulsed and in a short time the victory would have been ours, (the enemy having commenced making preparations to retreat,) when, from some unaccountable cause, some of our forces gave way and lost both the day and the temporary possession of the Valley. Staunton was occupied by them the next day, our forces having fallen back towards Fishersville, when they commenced that incendiarism and thieving which has characterized this raid of Hen-roost Hunter and makes him as deservedly odious as Beast Butler. By Hunter's order the fine mill of J & B F. Walker, near Mt Meridian, was burned, also, the Woolen Factory of Crawford and Young, the Steam Mill, Steam Distillery Government Workshops, Stables and Forage-houses, the Stage Stables of J.I.A. Trotter together with twenty-six coaches, and the Railroad Depots, (all in Staunton,) and the large mill of W.F. Smith, in the town of Greenville. They destroyed the track of Railroad west of this place, at intervals, to Goshen, burning the bridges at Swoope's, Craigsville and Goshen, and destroyed a number of culverts and small bridges at different points on the road. East of Staunton, they tore up the track, bending the rails, to Christie's Creek, burning the bridge over the same and the Depot at Fishersville. They broke open the stores here, taking whatever they wanted and leaving the rest a prey to an accompanying rabble, cut to pieces and destroyed the machinery of the Shoe Factory, and broke the presses of the Spectator and Vindicator, throwing the type of the former into the street. By an order from Gen. Hunter to take all the provisions from each family, leaving only three days rations, they robbed the man of means and widow with her mite of whatever their larder contained, leaving but a scanty supply, save where the humanity of some officer, to whom the execution of the order had been entrusted, prevented him from faithfully complying with it, in which few, exceptional cases something more was left. To particularize these robberies would more than fill our columns, hence we deem it sufficient to say that nearly every body in that part of the county occupied by the enemy, as well as the town, suffered in the same way. Some two or three who had been suspected of sympathizing with the enemy and who, report says, claimed protection on this account, suffered as did others, their unionism not being able "to save their bacon." In many instances, after the execution of Hunter's order, the plunderers returned at night and stole the remainder. On their march beyond this county, they acted in the same fiendish way. At Lexington they burned the V.M. Institute and Professors' houses, save that of Gen. Smith, all the mills and manufacturing establishments on the point, near the bridge, the private residence of Ex. Gov. Letcher, and destroyed the office of the Lexington Gazette. They also burned the private residence and iron manufactory of John T. Anderson, Esq., in Botetourt, and as they proceeded towards Lynchburg left a track of desolation in their rear. We rejoice that by the timely arrival of troops in Lynchburg that city was saved the terrible ordeal of Yankee occupation. The enemy learning of the arrival of Earley, left that vicinity in hurried haste, and although our troops were anxious to overtake the invaders and moved with a vim, yet only occasionally could they get a meagre chance at the scared Yanks, many of whom were mounted on fresh horses stolen on their route, who rode and walked in turn with those on foot, and thus made it impossible to overtake them. Hunter is reported in Wheeling and has expressed his satisfaction at what he has accomplished. Nothing else could be expected from him. He has accomplished nothing as regards the overthrow of the Confederacy, having run away from the only point he could have materially damaged it, the immediate front of Earley, and is satisfied since he has robbed the people and burned their mills to starve them out. We consider him as mean, if it were possible, meaner than Beast Butler, having shown a disposition to surpass the latter's infamous course, but was forced to stop ere he had completed half the foul intent of his base and brutal mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Halterman" <burner1943@verizon.net> To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Civil WAR > With the information that Joseph J. Messersmith Jr. sent you I found: > http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/xml_docs/valley_news/html/opening.html > >>From here I found my way to the newspapers. They are very interesting. > Joanne Halterman > > Our Dead > (Column 02) > > Summary: The paper announces that the "remains of our brave soldiers" > will be brought to Staunton from Piedmont next Monday. Major Walker can > also > make arrangements for relocation of bodies buried nearby. "The people of > that neighborhood should see to this matter and show they are worthy of > their ancient reputation. Turn out and do this work." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

MOVEMENTS IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY. On Sunday, June 5, General Hunter engaged a rebel force, under General W. E. Jones, at Piedmont, in the Shenandoah Valley, winning a decisive victory. General Jones was killed, and we captured 1500 prisoners:, 3000 stand of arms, three pieces of artillery, and a large amount of stores. After the engagement the enemy retired in a southerly direction to Waynesboro, situated on the Virginia Central Railroad, about midway between Staunton and Charlottesville. General Hunter at once pushed forward and occupied Staunton, fifteen miles from the battlefield. General Hunter's movement, up to the occupation of that place, had resulted in time capture of one battery of six pieces, besides other cannon of heavy calibre, and of three millions of dollars' worth of stores, together with the destruction of a large amount of railroad property and the capture of a large number of prisoners. On taking Staunton General Hunter found that every man and boy had been called out for its defense. He effected a junction with Generals Averill and Crook soon after occupying Staunton. On the 13th General Hunter moved from Staunton with the combined forces of Crook and Averill. An expedition sent to Waynesborough destroyed several railroad bridges and tore up the track. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph J. Messersmith, Jr." <jjmessersmith@comcast.net> To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > The Battle of Piedmont took place a couple miles north of New Hope in > Augusta County, Virginia. > > Here is the link to a Mapquest map of the area. > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/New+Hope+VA/ > > If you zoom in enough, you'll find that the road that goes through New > Hope > is called Battlefield Road. There is a stone marker along the road where > the battle took place. > > This link gives information on the battle. > > http://valley.vcdh.virginia.edu/HIUS403/auhome/piedmont.html > > Staunton is about 8 miles SW. > > I grew up in Grottoes, which is about 4 miles NE of the battlefield. > > Jim Messersmith > Rockville, VA > > > At 11:17 PM 5/22/2008 , you wrote: >>Phyllis, >> >>Piedmont, WV is in the mountains near the Potomac River. The nearest >>larger >>town is Cumberland, Maryland. The B&O Railroad passed through Piedmont, >>and >>there were numerous skirmishes and battles between Union and Confederate >>forces to gain control over the railroad. Piedmont, in 1864, was in >>Hampshire County, WV and in 1866 or 1877 Mineral County was formed. >>Piedmont >>fell into the new County, as it is still there. I should add that WV >>became >>a State in June 1863 so, technically, Piedmont was in WV in 1864 when your >>guy was killed. I have seen several such mistakes during the 1863-1864 >>time >>(VA vs WV), just as we sometimes fail to record the correct year in our >>checkbook after New Years Day. I am not a Civil War expert, but I know the >>areas. >> >>I don't understand why he was buried in Staunton, VA. I was born and >>raised >>in Rockingham County and never heard of a Piedmont in the County. From >>Rockingham County, crossing over the Blue Ridge Mountains (east) is a >>geo-cultural region called Piedmont that stretches into North Carolina. >>But >>it is a geographic area and not a town. Rockingham County is in the heart >>of >>the Shenandoah Valley. >> >>There is truth in all the information you have, but a mistake or omission >>and a missing link. It can be solved. Keep on digging. That is my >>two-cents >>worth. >> >>Wilmer L. Kerns >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>On Behalf Of Kevin Frye >>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 PM >>To: varockin@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford >> >>Often when the bodies were buried, they were marked by wooden headboards. >>This was the case in most National Cemeteries including here at >>Andersonville. Stone grave markers were to replace the wooden markers for >>years and the standard civil war grave marker you mostly see with the >>shield >> >>were not made until 1898. Its possible he was registered there and the >>wooden marker was damaged beyond being read. We have a copy of the " >>Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio" in our archives at >>Andersonville. I will be there tomorrow and will look him up and see what >>is mentioned. Ill even copy the page he is recorded on and email it to >>you. >> >>Just a thought. >> >>Kevin >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> >>To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford >> >> >> > Thanks for your response, Kevin. That's my guy. >> > >> > I actually subscribed to that database just to see what I could find on >> > him >> > and found what you found. So the other day I called and they said he >> > was >> > not >> > buried there. I asked about unmarked graves and they seemed to think >> > that >> > was unlikely. But as you point out, it could certainly be a >> > possibility. >> > There are several family stories about him and so far all have been >> > proven >> > true, so we are slightly inclined to think he was actually buried on Mt >> > Crawford right where he fell, which I'm told happened a lot during the >> > Civil >> > War...although more so in the first years of the conflict when things >> > were >> > far less organized. >> > >> > If he is in an unmarked grave at Staunton, do you know how that would >> > have >> > happened? I mean, his regiment knew who he was. And someone knew enough >> > to >> > log him in as being buried in Staunton. Were things so chaotic that men >> > were >> > just buried without any name tied to them? >> > >> > >> > >> > Phyllis >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > Frederick Brandt >> > Residence was not listed; 28 years old. >> > Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. >> > On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry >> > He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA >> > Other Information: >> > Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA >> > Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: >> > - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio >> > - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers >> > (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: >> > 5/22/2008 >> >> > 7:06 AM >> > >> > >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG. >>Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1461 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 >>4:44 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

With the information that Joseph J. Messersmith Jr. sent you I found: http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/xml_docs/valley_news/html/opening.html From here I found my way to the newspapers. They are very interesting. Joanne Halterman Our Dead (Column 02) Summary: The paper announces that the "remains of our brave soldiers" will be brought to Staunton from Piedmont next Monday. Major Walker can also make arrangements for relocation of bodies buried nearby. "The people of that neighborhood should see to this matter and show they are worthy of their ancient reputation. Turn out and do this work."

Thanks to Wilmer, Kevin, Diane and Jim M and everyone else who provided input. I am picking up a modern day map of Virginia and West Virginia after work today and will review all of your input. I sent a death record request to Augusta County about a week ago and hope to hear something soon. I am told that a CW death record for that time period would have been filed there. I really appreciate all the input about the lay of the land, and also about WV vs VA. When I get home from work this evening, I will pour over everything and try to figure this out. The Mt Crawford notation on his original CW Service record could be a clerical error. Most of the comments in his records say Battle of Piedmont. I'm not sure who or where these documents were filled out. Is there a Mt Crawford in the town of Mt Crawford? When I look at Google Earth I can see a raised area in the town of Mt Crawford and a road surround the raised area called Cemetery Road. It does appear there is a cemetery there. I'd like to find out the name of that cemetery and will call the town in a few moments to see if there really is. It sure looks like it from the aerial. But I understand it is a ways from where the Battle of Piedmont was fought, so it's a long shot. But I need to rule it out. Also, in the battle history there is a mention that some of the worst fighting happened hear the Col. Crawford home. Perhaps the recorder got things mixed up and wrote Battle of Mount Crawford instead of Battle of Piedmont on the second record of death. Phyllis

Jim, Interesting. Never heard of a Piedmont in Augusta County. The name is not in character as a Valley place name. Looks like good farming bottomland. I wonder how Mt. Crawford fits into the battle. That is what distracted me, the mountain that isn't there. I grew up in the southwestern section of Rockingham County. I joined the Navy during the Korean War at the recruiting station in Mt. Crawford. It is also known to have a fine restaurant (Evers, now under another name) just north of town. As I said earlier, this problem will be solved as more information becomes available. Thanks for your input. Wilmer L. Kerns -----Original Message----- From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joseph J. Messersmith, Jr. Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:10 AM To: varockin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford The Battle of Piedmont took place a couple miles north of New Hope in Augusta County, Virginia. Here is the link to a Mapquest map of the area. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/New+Hope+VA/ If you zoom in enough, you'll find that the road that goes through New Hope is called Battlefield Road. There is a stone marker along the road where the battle took place. This link gives information on the battle. http://valley.vcdh.virginia.edu/HIUS403/auhome/piedmont.html Staunton is about 8 miles SW. I grew up in Grottoes, which is about 4 miles NE of the battlefield. Jim Messersmith Rockville, VA At 11:17 PM 5/22/2008 , you wrote: >Phyllis, > >Piedmont, WV is in the mountains near the Potomac River. The nearest larger >town is Cumberland, Maryland. The B&O Railroad passed through Piedmont, and >there were numerous skirmishes and battles between Union and Confederate >forces to gain control over the railroad. Piedmont, in 1864, was in >Hampshire County, WV and in 1866 or 1877 Mineral County was formed. Piedmont >fell into the new County, as it is still there. I should add that WV became >a State in June 1863 so, technically, Piedmont was in WV in 1864 when your >guy was killed. I have seen several such mistakes during the 1863-1864 time >(VA vs WV), just as we sometimes fail to record the correct year in our >checkbook after New Years Day. I am not a Civil War expert, but I know the >areas. > >I don't understand why he was buried in Staunton, VA. I was born and raised >in Rockingham County and never heard of a Piedmont in the County. From >Rockingham County, crossing over the Blue Ridge Mountains (east) is a >geo-cultural region called Piedmont that stretches into North Carolina. But >it is a geographic area and not a town. Rockingham County is in the heart of >the Shenandoah Valley. > >There is truth in all the information you have, but a mistake or omission >and a missing link. It can be solved. Keep on digging. That is my two-cents >worth. > >Wilmer L. Kerns > >-----Original Message----- >From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Kevin Frye >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 PM >To: varockin@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > >Often when the bodies were buried, they were marked by wooden headboards. >This was the case in most National Cemeteries including here at >Andersonville. Stone grave markers were to replace the wooden markers for >years and the standard civil war grave marker you mostly see with the shield > >were not made until 1898. Its possible he was registered there and the >wooden marker was damaged beyond being read. We have a copy of the " >Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio" in our archives at >Andersonville. I will be there tomorrow and will look him up and see what >is mentioned. Ill even copy the page he is recorded on and email it to you. > >Just a thought. > >Kevin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> >To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > > > > Thanks for your response, Kevin. That's my guy. > > > > I actually subscribed to that database just to see what I could find on > > him > > and found what you found. So the other day I called and they said he was > > not > > buried there. I asked about unmarked graves and they seemed to think that > > was unlikely. But as you point out, it could certainly be a possibility. > > There are several family stories about him and so far all have been proven > > true, so we are slightly inclined to think he was actually buried on Mt > > Crawford right where he fell, which I'm told happened a lot during the > > Civil > > War...although more so in the first years of the conflict when things were > > far less organized. > > > > If he is in an unmarked grave at Staunton, do you know how that would have > > happened? I mean, his regiment knew who he was. And someone knew enough to > > log him in as being buried in Staunton. Were things so chaotic that men > > were > > just buried without any name tied to them? > > > > > > > > Phyllis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Frederick Brandt > > Residence was not listed; 28 years old. > > Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. > > On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry > > He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA > > Other Information: > > Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA > > Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: > > - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio > > - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers > > (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > > > 7:06 AM > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1461 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 >4:44 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Battle of Piedmont took place a couple miles north of New Hope in Augusta County, Virginia. Here is the link to a Mapquest map of the area. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/New+Hope+VA/ If you zoom in enough, you'll find that the road that goes through New Hope is called Battlefield Road. There is a stone marker along the road where the battle took place. This link gives information on the battle. http://valley.vcdh.virginia.edu/HIUS403/auhome/piedmont.html Staunton is about 8 miles SW. I grew up in Grottoes, which is about 4 miles NE of the battlefield. Jim Messersmith Rockville, VA At 11:17 PM 5/22/2008 , you wrote: >Phyllis, > >Piedmont, WV is in the mountains near the Potomac River. The nearest larger >town is Cumberland, Maryland. The B&O Railroad passed through Piedmont, and >there were numerous skirmishes and battles between Union and Confederate >forces to gain control over the railroad. Piedmont, in 1864, was in >Hampshire County, WV and in 1866 or 1877 Mineral County was formed. Piedmont >fell into the new County, as it is still there. I should add that WV became >a State in June 1863 so, technically, Piedmont was in WV in 1864 when your >guy was killed. I have seen several such mistakes during the 1863-1864 time >(VA vs WV), just as we sometimes fail to record the correct year in our >checkbook after New Years Day. I am not a Civil War expert, but I know the >areas. > >I don't understand why he was buried in Staunton, VA. I was born and raised >in Rockingham County and never heard of a Piedmont in the County. From >Rockingham County, crossing over the Blue Ridge Mountains (east) is a >geo-cultural region called Piedmont that stretches into North Carolina. But >it is a geographic area and not a town. Rockingham County is in the heart of >the Shenandoah Valley. > >There is truth in all the information you have, but a mistake or omission >and a missing link. It can be solved. Keep on digging. That is my two-cents >worth. > >Wilmer L. Kerns > >-----Original Message----- >From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Kevin Frye >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 PM >To: varockin@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > >Often when the bodies were buried, they were marked by wooden headboards. >This was the case in most National Cemeteries including here at >Andersonville. Stone grave markers were to replace the wooden markers for >years and the standard civil war grave marker you mostly see with the shield > >were not made until 1898. Its possible he was registered there and the >wooden marker was damaged beyond being read. We have a copy of the " >Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio" in our archives at >Andersonville. I will be there tomorrow and will look him up and see what >is mentioned. Ill even copy the page he is recorded on and email it to you. > >Just a thought. > >Kevin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> >To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > > > > Thanks for your response, Kevin. That's my guy. > > > > I actually subscribed to that database just to see what I could find on > > him > > and found what you found. So the other day I called and they said he was > > not > > buried there. I asked about unmarked graves and they seemed to think that > > was unlikely. But as you point out, it could certainly be a possibility. > > There are several family stories about him and so far all have been proven > > true, so we are slightly inclined to think he was actually buried on Mt > > Crawford right where he fell, which I'm told happened a lot during the > > Civil > > War...although more so in the first years of the conflict when things were > > far less organized. > > > > If he is in an unmarked grave at Staunton, do you know how that would have > > happened? I mean, his regiment knew who he was. And someone knew enough to > > log him in as being buried in Staunton. Were things so chaotic that men > > were > > just buried without any name tied to them? > > > > > > > > Phyllis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Frederick Brandt > > Residence was not listed; 28 years old. > > Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. > > On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry > > He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA > > Other Information: > > Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA > > Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: > > - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio > > - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers > > (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > > > 7:06 AM > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1461 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 >4:44 PM

Phyllis, Piedmont, WV is in the mountains near the Potomac River. The nearest larger town is Cumberland, Maryland. The B&O Railroad passed through Piedmont, and there were numerous skirmishes and battles between Union and Confederate forces to gain control over the railroad. Piedmont, in 1864, was in Hampshire County, WV and in 1866 or 1877 Mineral County was formed. Piedmont fell into the new County, as it is still there. I should add that WV became a State in June 1863 so, technically, Piedmont was in WV in 1864 when your guy was killed. I have seen several such mistakes during the 1863-1864 time (VA vs WV), just as we sometimes fail to record the correct year in our checkbook after New Years Day. I am not a Civil War expert, but I know the areas. I don't understand why he was buried in Staunton, VA. I was born and raised in Rockingham County and never heard of a Piedmont in the County. From Rockingham County, crossing over the Blue Ridge Mountains (east) is a geo-cultural region called Piedmont that stretches into North Carolina. But it is a geographic area and not a town. Rockingham County is in the heart of the Shenandoah Valley. There is truth in all the information you have, but a mistake or omission and a missing link. It can be solved. Keep on digging. That is my two-cents worth. Wilmer L. Kerns -----Original Message----- From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Frye Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:14 PM To: varockin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford Often when the bodies were buried, they were marked by wooden headboards. This was the case in most National Cemeteries including here at Andersonville. Stone grave markers were to replace the wooden markers for years and the standard civil war grave marker you mostly see with the shield were not made until 1898. Its possible he was registered there and the wooden marker was damaged beyond being read. We have a copy of the " Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio" in our archives at Andersonville. I will be there tomorrow and will look him up and see what is mentioned. Ill even copy the page he is recorded on and email it to you. Just a thought. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > Thanks for your response, Kevin. That's my guy. > > I actually subscribed to that database just to see what I could find on > him > and found what you found. So the other day I called and they said he was > not > buried there. I asked about unmarked graves and they seemed to think that > was unlikely. But as you point out, it could certainly be a possibility. > There are several family stories about him and so far all have been proven > true, so we are slightly inclined to think he was actually buried on Mt > Crawford right where he fell, which I'm told happened a lot during the > Civil > War...although more so in the first years of the conflict when things were > far less organized. > > If he is in an unmarked grave at Staunton, do you know how that would have > happened? I mean, his regiment knew who he was. And someone knew enough to > log him in as being buried in Staunton. Were things so chaotic that men > were > just buried without any name tied to them? > > > > Phyllis > > -----Original Message----- > Frederick Brandt > Residence was not listed; 28 years old. > Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. > On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry > He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA > Other Information: > Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA > Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: > - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio > - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers > (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > 7:06 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Often when the bodies were buried, they were marked by wooden headboards. This was the case in most National Cemeteries including here at Andersonville. Stone grave markers were to replace the wooden markers for years and the standard civil war grave marker you mostly see with the shield were not made until 1898. Its possible he was registered there and the wooden marker was damaged beyond being read. We have a copy of the " Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio" in our archives at Andersonville. I will be there tomorrow and will look him up and see what is mentioned. Ill even copy the page he is recorded on and email it to you. Just a thought. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> To: <varockin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > Thanks for your response, Kevin. That's my guy. > > I actually subscribed to that database just to see what I could find on > him > and found what you found. So the other day I called and they said he was > not > buried there. I asked about unmarked graves and they seemed to think that > was unlikely. But as you point out, it could certainly be a possibility. > There are several family stories about him and so far all have been proven > true, so we are slightly inclined to think he was actually buried on Mt > Crawford right where he fell, which I'm told happened a lot during the > Civil > War...although more so in the first years of the conflict when things were > far less organized. > > If he is in an unmarked grave at Staunton, do you know how that would have > happened? I mean, his regiment knew who he was. And someone knew enough to > log him in as being buried in Staunton. Were things so chaotic that men > were > just buried without any name tied to them? > > > > Phyllis > > -----Original Message----- > Frederick Brandt > Residence was not listed; 28 years old. > Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. > On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry > He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA > Other Information: > Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA > Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: > - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio > - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers > (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > 7:06 AM > >

If he was killed in 1864 in Piedmont, VA would not that have been in present-day Mineral County, WV? I'm not aware of any historical town in Rockingham County named Piedmont. He was killed on Mt. Crawford? In Rockingham County? Hmmm, there is no mountain there. Something is wrong with the geographical description. I think we can solve this, but Rockingham is probably the wrong County. Wilmer L. Kerns -----Original Message----- From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Frye Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:26 PM To: varockin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford civilwardata.com shows the following. Frederick Brandt Residence was not listed; 28 years old. Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA Other Information: Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com Although he is not listed as in a marked grave at that National Cemetery, he could be buried in an unknown grave. With the sources noted above I would believe he is buried there. I hope this helps. Kevin Andersonville Historian / NPS Volunteer www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> To: <VAROCKIN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > Hello, I am new to this list. I am trying to find an ancestor who was > killed > in the Battle of Piedmont June 5th 1864. His Civil War records say he was > killed on Mt. Crawford. Family legend says that he was buried right there > on > Mt. Crawford. I did a Google Earth search for Mt Crawford and see there is > a > Cemetery Road on a hill in town. Does anyone know what this cemetery is > called or even if it is still there? > > > > His name is Frederick Brandt and he died instantly from a gunshot wound to > the head. He is not buried in Staunton or Dayton, per the Culpepper > Cemetery > folks. And he is not buried in Cincinnati Ohio where he lived. > > > > Any assistance is greatly appreciated! > > > > Phyllis > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > 7:06 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

civilwardata.com shows the following. Frederick Brandt Residence was not listed; 28 years old. Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA Other Information: Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com Although he is not listed as in a marked grave at that National Cemetery, he could be buried in an unknown grave. With the sources noted above I would believe he is buried there. I hope this helps. Kevin Andersonville Historian / NPS Volunteer www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> To: <VAROCKIN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: [VAROCKIN] Name of cemetery on Cemetery Road in Mt Crawford > Hello, I am new to this list. I am trying to find an ancestor who was > killed > in the Battle of Piedmont June 5th 1864. His Civil War records say he was > killed on Mt. Crawford. Family legend says that he was buried right there > on > Mt. Crawford. I did a Google Earth search for Mt Crawford and see there is > a > Cemetery Road on a hill in town. Does anyone know what this cemetery is > called or even if it is still there? > > > > His name is Frederick Brandt and he died instantly from a gunshot wound to > the head. He is not buried in Staunton or Dayton, per the Culpepper > Cemetery > folks. And he is not buried in Cincinnati Ohio where he lived. > > > > Any assistance is greatly appreciated! > > > > Phyllis > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAROCKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > 7:06 AM > >

Thanks Kevin!! I appreciate your assistance. Did cemeteries keep records of the plot numbers (or location) that soldiers were buried in? That would provide the location of his burial spot. If there are such record books I would presume the National Cemetery would know about their existence. Then I could order a bronze military marker for him, if that is allowed there. I will call them tomorrow. Phyllis (in California) -----Original Message----- From: varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:varockin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Frye Often when the bodies were buried, they were marked by wooden headboards. This was the case in most National Cemeteries including here at Andersonville. Stone grave markers were to replace the wooden markers for years and the standard civil war grave marker you mostly see with the shield were not made until 1898. Its possible he was registered there and the wooden marker was damaged beyond being read. We have a copy of the " Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio" in our archives at Andersonville. I will be there tomorrow and will look him up and see what is mentioned. Ill even copy the page he is recorded on and email it to you. Just a thought. Kevin

Wilmer, thanks for your help. I have searched online for old Civil War maps of the area but can find none. His Civil War service record under the Company Muster Roll Remarks section says the he was killed in the battle at Mount Crawford, June 5/64. It is singed by a man named Springsteen. Then on the next section is a Muster-out Roll, and under remarks it says Killed in the battle at Piedmont VA June 5/64. This is also signed by Mr. Springsteen. Then there is a full page certification of name, physical description, where he was born, when and where he was recruited. It also says he was killed at the battle of Mount Crawford, VA on the 5th day of June 1864. Then it says printed at the bottom, "Given in Duplicate" then handwritten "at Camp Carrington, Indiana this 30th say of June 1864. And it is signed by Auguste Fis? Capt, Co H 28th then something like Ar P.O.V. (I think this may stand for private in the Ohio Volunteer Infantry...he was a private in the 28th OVI) Not knowing the area in question, I am struggling a bit to figure this out. Plus it is confusing as you point out. Also, in the battle notes for the battle of Piedmont there is a reference to heavy fighting near the Col. Crawford house. Phyllis -----Original Message----- If he was killed in 1864 in Piedmont, VA would not that have been in present-day Mineral County, WV? I'm not aware of any historical town in Rockingham County named Piedmont. He was killed on Mt. Crawford? In Rockingham County? Hmmm, there is no mountain there. Something is wrong with the geographical description. I think we can solve this, but Rockingham is probably the wrong County. Wilmer L. Kerns

Thanks for your response, Kevin. That's my guy. I actually subscribed to that database just to see what I could find on him and found what you found. So the other day I called and they said he was not buried there. I asked about unmarked graves and they seemed to think that was unlikely. But as you point out, it could certainly be a possibility. There are several family stories about him and so far all have been proven true, so we are slightly inclined to think he was actually buried on Mt Crawford right where he fell, which I'm told happened a lot during the Civil War...although more so in the first years of the conflict when things were far less organized. If he is in an unmarked grave at Staunton, do you know how that would have happened? I mean, his regiment knew who he was. And someone knew enough to log him in as being buried in Staunton. Were things so chaotic that men were just buried without any name tied to them? Phyllis -----Original Message----- Frederick Brandt Residence was not listed; 28 years old. Enlisted on 6/13/1861 as a Private. On 7/6/1861 he mustered into "H" Co. OH 28th Infantry He was Killed on 6/5/1864 at Piedmont, VA Other Information: Buried: Staunton National Cemetery, Staunton, VA Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: - Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio - Roll of Honor of Ohio Soldiers (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com

Hello, I am new to this list. I am trying to find an ancestor who was killed in the Battle of Piedmont June 5th 1864. His Civil War records say he was killed on Mt. Crawford. Family legend says that he was buried right there on Mt. Crawford. I did a Google Earth search for Mt Crawford and see there is a Cemetery Road on a hill in town. Does anyone know what this cemetery is called or even if it is still there? His name is Frederick Brandt and he died instantly from a gunshot wound to the head. He is not buried in Staunton or Dayton, per the Culpepper Cemetery folks. And he is not buried in Cincinnati Ohio where he lived. Any assistance is greatly appreciated! Phyllis