This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fuchs Fox Hartsook Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/176.656.918.1432.1.1.1.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Colleen~ I'm having trouble emailing you privately. PLEASE contact me at [email protected] re: our Hartsooks Fuchses in Rockbridge & Augusta Cos.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hartsook, Fuchs, Fox Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/176.656.918.1432.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Oh yes, this is WONDERFUL. Thanks to other generous sources, I have Engleburt/Angleburt's father as Nicholas.....I'll email you privately with details (anyone reading this is welcome to chime in). I 'lose' Engleburt and Madga in Augusta Co. Had NO idea where they 'disappeared' to. I have children Elizabeth and Mary but no futher details. Will love to trade info! See you privately! Crystal

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: " McDaniel " Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2200 Message Board Post: Hello, My name is Rosalie Adkins. I reside in Hartford City,Indiana. My Gr. Gr. Grandparents were Samuel & Mary Ann (Wilkerson/Wilkinson) McDaniel,from Rockbridge County,Virginia. I've searched through the US GenWeb/Virginia for any Death/ Burial info for these people,nothing shows up !! I'm not sure if any Death/Burial info can be found,maybe they don't have Gravemarkers. Samuel McDaniel married Mary Ann Wilkinson/Wilkerson on August 29,1838 in Rockbridge County,Virginia. Mary Ann possibly passed away because Samuel McDaniel married Jane Dowdy on January 8,1857 in Rockbridge County,Virginia. Samuel McDaniel doesn't show up on the 1880 Census,with Jane (Dowdy) McDaniel,so I'm guessing his death occurred before 1880. This is all the info I have on possible Death's,timelines. Mary Ann McDaniel - Death: Before 1857 Samuel McDaniel - Death: Before 1880 Jane (Dowdy) McDaniel - After 1880 I don't know whether actual Death/Burial info can be located on these people,they may not have Gravemarkers. It would be neat though if anything could be found for them. I'd like to possibly know their Death Dates/Burial Locations !! If anyone might be able to possibly shed any light on this search,it would be Greatly Appreciated !! Thanks for Any Help !! Rosie My Contact Info: Rosalie Adkins 1301 N. Cherry Hartford City,Indiana 47348 Phone: 1 - 765 - 348 - 4226 E-mail: [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: " McDaniel / Murphey " Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2199 Message Board Post: Marriage Record/My Gr.Grandparents- McDaniel Hello, My name is Rosalie Adkins. I reside in Hartford City,Indiana. I'm desperately trying to locate the Marriage Record for my Gr.Grandparents,James Floyd McDaniel & Louisa/Lyde (Murphey)?/McDaniel. James Floyd McDaniel was born May 1,1853 / 1855 in Rockbridge County,Virginia. He is the son of Samuel & Mary Ann (Wilkinson/Wilkerson)McDaniel. Louisa/Lyde (Murphy/Murphey/Phillips) McDaniel was born May 2nd or 3rd,1863 /1865 in Upshur County,W.Virginia, The reason I put the possible maiden names for Louisa or Lydia is because I have found her on family records under all 4 names,therefore I'm not positive on what her actual maiden name was. James Floyd McDaniel is on the 1870 Census,still in Rockbridge County,Virginia,but in January/1884,James Floyd & Louisa McDaniel are residing in Henry County(Blue River Township- I think),Indiana. There has been census searches done,1880,for James Floyd McDaniel,he doesn't show up anywhere,in state,out of state. Therefore,between the years,1870 - 1884,I have no clue of his whereabouts. Seems like,for 14 years,he just went,POOF !! On the 1900 Census Record for this family,it states that they have been married for 18 years,so that gives me a possible marriage year of 1882. The first 2 children(twins) of this family were born on January 23,1884 in Henry County,Indiana. The twins were pre-mature and died the same day. Therefore,sometime between 1870 & 1884,is the possible marriage years for James & Louisa or Lydia,I've found her under both first names on family records also. I just haven't been able to locate their Marriage Record/Location. It could be anywhere from Upshur County,W.Virginia,Rockbridge County,W.Virginia,through Ohio to the eastern counties of Indiana,until they ended up in Henry County,Indiana in January of 1884. I know this could prove to be a huge search in trying to locate James & Louisa's marriage record,but if anyone could possibly locate it,I'd be forever greatful. If it could be found,I'd like to get a copy of it !! There has been searches done for this marriage record through Ancestry,nothing has been found so far !! It's even possible that they were married in a church somewhere !! James & Louisa/Lyde McDaniel are both buried in the Beechgrove Cemetery in Muncie,Indiana. I've been to their gravesites. I know these people to be my Gr. Grandparents & Gr. Gr. Grandparents,I have traced them through family records here in Indiana. Samuel McDaniel & Mary Ann Wilkinson/Wilkerson were married in Rockbridge County,Virginia on August 29,1838. I have the copy of this Marriage Record,it's online !! My contact info is as follows: Rosalie Adkins 1301 N. Cherry Hartford City,Indiana 47348 Phone: 1 - 765 - 348- 4226 E-mail: [email protected] Thanks to anyone who could try to help to find this marriage record ! Sincerely Desperate in Indiana Rosie

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2197.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Sylvia, Thank you so much for the information. I have visited the boards before, but am just now getting serious about researching my family. I really appreciate your help and would love to have a copy of Zachariah's marriage license. Do you have dates for the others you have listed as well? I hope I'm not asking/expecting too much of you. I'm not familiar with proper message board etiquette. : )

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2198 Message Board Post: An exciting DNA study has been initiated within the last year to "scientifically" aid family genealogists researching the surnames of Reed, Reid, Read, Riedt, etc. in establishing whether they share a common (Reed, et al) ancestor with a fellow Reed researcher or not. This is basically achieved by the use of a comparative, worldwide database of DNA samples collected from males having the surname of Reed (or any other spelling variant thereof). Lisa (nee Reed) Alther, the project coordinator for this study, strongly encourages any male having the surname of Reed (et al) to participate, as well as to forward this info onto others that may also be interested. Although the study began as a means to help identify the ancestral origins of our long-standing "brick wall", George Reed, Sr., who was apparently born c 1730 (in either Europe or PA), and died in 1807, in then-Montgomery Co., VA (present-day Floyd Co., VA). Regarding the usefulness of this study, it’s results can clearly be used to scientifically "rule in or out" a potential Reed ancestor for a given Reed researcher/study participant, especially when "the old paper trail" in one's genealogical research has "run cold". In short, it does so by analyzing select (12, 25 or 37) portions of the y-DNA sample (a mere cheek swab~ that's all) provided by a male Reed decendant/test participant, and comparing the results to other researchers/participants, to establish whether there's a close enough DNA match to conclude if two given participants share a common ancestor or not. Tests typically run from $99 (for analysis of 12 y-DNA markers ~typically sufficient), to approx. $169 for the 25-marker analysis (what I used~ a good middle-of-the-road choice for common surnames) to approx $229 for a 37-marker analysis (typically relegated for further analysis only, as 12 or 25-marker matches may warrant). Results are typically received w! ithin 6 to 8 weeks from the time you return the sample in the container they provide (via mail). In the end, should all 12 (or even 11 of 12) of your y-DNA markers match another area researcher's/participant's (in a 12-marker test), then you essentially know that you share a common Reed ancestor within the last couple of hundred years. On the other hand, should 3 or more y-markers be different, then any common ancestor (should one even exist) would likely extend back several hundred, or even thousands of years back, as these y-markers rarely mutate (only once about every 500 generations or so, if my memory serves me correctly). Should a perfect match be found, then each matching participant would be notified by the lab, and allowed to correspond/share research with each other, should they both consent to do so, etc. But doing so would then allow each participant to share their research, narrow down their research agenda using new/common leads, and, more importantly, eliminate from contention any potential Reed/Reid/Read ancestors (from previous research) whose descendant's sample doesn't match their own. Although that's basically "it in a nutshell", I would strongly recommend that all potential participants visit the websites provided elsewhere in this posting (for example, http://www.familytreedna.com ) for further background information on this study, as well as how to get started. As for me, I'm happy to say that I've already had one (12 for 12, y-DNA) match with another known George Reed, Sr. descendant (the project coordinator ~ the only match from the American database to date, I might add), which has, indeed, highly encouraged me. In fact, I finally sense that my long-standing brick wall will eventually come down - all with the help of modern-day scientific methods. In closing, I must point out that the more regional participants we have, the quicker we will be able to help identify exactly which Reed/Reid/Read descendants in the region are actually related (or not) - especially since family surname spellings have changed on more than one occasion over the centuries. In fact, a "Reed" residing VA in the 1780s, may very well have "Reid" descendants living in Missouri, as census takers, county clerks, etc over the last couple of centuries brought their own spelling "biases" or shortcomings to the table, if you will - most of which went uncorrected, and were sometimes adopted by a pioneer family that may not have either been educated enough, or caring enough to correct the record back then. Whatever the case, in the end, the notion that genealogists finally have a scientific tool (DNA analysis) to aid in breaking through our genealogical "brick walls", and helping identify our true immigrant ancestor's homeland is quite exciting, to say th! e least. In closing, I must remind you that this study is for "ALL" male Reed/Reith/Reid, etc descendants to participate in, not just those suspected of descending from the aforementioned George Reed. As stated earlier, the larger our (US and European) database, the greater potential for making more genetic connections with other participants, and the sooner we'll be able to obtain "real" headway in our genealogical research. European databases, by the way, are growing every month as well, and even predate those in America (dating before 2000). They are also available on the web for comparing results - a very exciting notion as well. Bob P.S. Again, only "males" having the surname of "Reed. "Reid", Read","Reade", "Rieth", "Riedt", "Riet", etc can participate in this study. ============= Hi, Bob, Nice to hear from you. I believe my sister-in-law, Dale Reed, has been in touch with you in the past (if it's the same Bob Reed) and has told me about the important research angles you've already covered. Your work, along with Susan Jurban's on Reed deeds in the Franklin County, VA area, and Charles Thomas's on Reed taxes in the same area, led us to believe that if information concerning George's wife, parents, and country of origin were embedded in the documents, one of you would have found it by now. Hence, the resort to DNA. To answer your questions, the Y-DNA test costs $99 at our group rate. Only the kit number and marker numbers appear on the public website, no names. And if a participant prefers, those numbers can remain private too. As to reliability, you can find the statistics in a DNA tutorial at http://www.familytreedna.com. In brief, a male carries the same Y chromosome as his father, grandfather, etc. But a mutation occurs, on average, once every 21 generations or so. In our particular case, my father (descended from George via George, George, George, and William Henry) has a rare Y pattern with no matches in the databases. So if D.L. Reed (the participant who's descended from Caspar Riedt) should match him, it's almost certain they have a common ancestor several generations back (can't remember how many without looking at the charts!). If they don't match, we still have to find another male from each line to test, in order to rule out a non-paternity event. My father's Y haplogroup is I, which suggests the Anglo-Saxon/Viking areas as a place of origin. My grandfather had always said he thought he was Scottish, but my father's markers aren't at all close to those of the Reids in Clan Duncan. Nevertheless, our Reeds could still be from an area in Scotland that was invaded by Germanic or Viking peoples. I'm afraid I haven't explained this well, but a website with a good DNA tutorial is http://www.kerchner.com/dnalinks.htm I'd be delighted to have you participate in the Reed DNA project if it should appeal to you. We'd especially love to have you since you're descended from Andrew. If your markers and my father's matched, then we would know for sure that we have the correct pattern for George the First. You could sign up via me or via the Reed Surname Project page at http://www.familytreedna.com. Please do consider it. It would be a real bonus for our study. Don't hesitate to write again with any concerns or questions, and I'll do my best to address them. ============================================ http://genforum.genealogy.com/reed/messages/11942.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Camden/Ayers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2197.1 Message Board Post: Hi Sharon, Zachariah Camden was the son of Lane Camden and Mary J. Siders, the grandson of Jesse Camden and Jane Jones, great grandson of Benjamin Camden and Elizabeth Wright. Here is the information from Zachariah and Sarah's marriage license: Date of Marriage: October 23, 1872 Place: At residence of David E. Ayers in Rockbridge Name of Groom: Zachariah Camden, single Name of Bride: Sarah F. Ayers, single Color: White Place of Groom's birth: Rockbridge Co. Place of Bride's birth: Rockbridge Co. Residence of both: Rockbridge Co. Name of Groom's parents: Lane and Mary J. Camden Name of Bride's parents: David E. and Eliza Ayers Groom's occupation: Farmer Minister: A. Poe Bonde (not sure of this, hard to read!!) Hope this helps. If you'd like a copy of the license let me know and I'll try to scan and send it. Sylvia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CAMDEN/AYRES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2197 Message Board Post: I am searching for ancestors of my g-g-grandparents Zachariah Camden (1847-1917) married to Sarah Frances Ayres (1853-1925). they are buried in Stonewall Jackson Cemetery, Lexington, VA.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4BC.2ACI/176.656.918.1432.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: I forgot to mention that Anna is baptismal name after St. Anna/Anne. Anna would not be used on secular papers such as wills and the census. Look for Magdalena/Modelena/Madoline. and of course Fuchs and Fox are interchangeable. Nicholas Hartsock died april 4, 1821 and Catharine Elizabeth died circa sept. 27, 1788. Enbleburt had at least one cousin Magdalena Hartsock. There was also another Magdalena Hartsock that married a Schenk and lived in VA across the Potomac River from Frederick County. Just thought I would throw that in in case you ever come across them.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4BC.2ACI/176.656.918.1432.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: In response to your posting: >I am looking for more information on: Engleburt Hartsook/Hartshough/Hocksock. According to Mary Mae Hartsough in her "A History of the Hartough-Harsough-harsock Family" Engleburt's father was Nicholas and mother was Catharine Elizabeth ?/Hartsock. Angleburt was first married to Christina ? and then Madoline Fox of Frederick County, Md. (somewhere else I got the date March 4, 1786). His siblings were William T. b. 1757, John b. 1760, Peter b. 1774, Elizabeth, and Nicholas. No birthdate for Angleburt/Engleburt. MM has Anglebert/Angleburt/Engleburt living in Augusta County, VA and still living there Oct. 23, 1793. They later moved to NY state and were living there in 1818. MM has Anglebert's children as Christina b. July 1770, m. Richard King on Dec. 25, 1804. Mary m. to John Pauf on January 10, 1798. Elizabeth m. Anthony King on August 3, 1795. Do you want the the ancestors of Angleburt back to Germany? MM was b. 1902 and her relatives edited and published her notes in 1964. There were some errors made in the transcribing but all in all it was an extensive work and we are deeply grateful to her. According to Barnett W. McConnell, Jr. in Hartsock Heritage "A Three hundred Year Chronicle of the Hartsock Family of Southwest VA" Englebert's cousins: Peter III, Samuel and their families followed the Great Wagon Road down through the Shenandoah Valley to southwest VA. This would be through Augusta County. Their brother Isaac settled in Bracken County, KY. The Treaty of 1763 prohibted settlers from migrating westward beyond the top of the Alleghenies. Many, many, many groups of settlers from the east migrated down this Great Wagon Road. Ironically there were at least two Isaac Hartsock's in Fairfield County, Ohio in the early 1800's; distant cousins. One family went west from PA, the other down the Shenandoah Valley, through Cumberland, to Bracken and up to Fairfield. I've probably told you more than you ever wanted to know. Back to Engleburt: IF Nicholas followed the German pattern of naming their children, the first born would be named after his grandfather=Peter. The next son would be named after his maternal grandfather. The 3rd son after the father=Nicholas. The 4th son after his father's father's father=Engleburt. Sometimes they would detour and name a child after a friend. There are two patterns for the daughters. I have a wayward note saying there is an Engelbert and Christiana Hartsaugh living in Ulepsses, Seneca County, NY in 1814. It would be interesting to do research on the settlement of Seneca County. They usually migrated when a parcel of land opened to settlement. Word was spread through the church pulpit. Some of your ancestors may have migrated on to Michigan when that opened. Or they may have gone on to Ohio via Pittsburg. Would love to hear back as to what you find out. A word of caution Englebert's grandfather Peter had brothers that migrated to NY, then to the Finger Lakes region and on to Michigan. And yes some of those branches had Engleberts. And another Jacob. I'm going to analyze the censuses and using colored stick pins and a map pin point where these different families migrated to. If you would like to check back with me in six months maybe I will have more info. Love to hear back.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2196 Message Board Post: Looking for descendents from Samuel Culberston born November 12, 1889 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Married Catherine Elizabeth Binkley in 1851. Had seventeen children. Catherine moved, before married, to Germantown, OH in 1848. Later, lived near Phillisburg, OHIO. Catherine DOB is Feb. 24, 1834.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4BC.2ACI/176.656.918.1432.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thought I would let you know I read your post. things are rather hecktic right now. It has been awhile since I've read my notes. Will get in touch later this week or weekend. Coleen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hartsook, Fuchs, Fox Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/176.656.918.1432.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for more information on: Engleburt Hartsook/Hartshough/Hocksock Comment 1: 1810 3 Hartsock families in Augusta County: Jacob, Peter, William +Anna Magdalena "Modelena" Fuchs b: September 7, 1756 Daughters: Elizabeth Hartsook/Hartshough/Hocksock +Anthony King m: Abt. August 3, 1795 in Augusta County, Virginia Mary Hartsook/Hartshough/Hocksock +John Puff m: Abt. January 10, 1798 in Augusta County, Virginia I 'lose' the family in Augusta Co. Magda is one of my multiple great Aunts. Many thanks! Crystal

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BROWN, CUMMINS, GILBERT, GILMORE, LUNSFORD, WILSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2195 Message Board Post: A very kind friend in Rockbridge Co, VA, sent me the obits of the following people in my family. If any of these people are family members of yours, please contact me & I'll send you the obit. I'd like to trade family info with you. Also, I have tombstone photos for several of these people. Sandy [email protected] ================== Christine CUMMINS BROWN (1925-1984) [daughter] Lacy CUMMINS (1886-1951) [father] Charles William GILBERT (born 1888) Elmer Ellis GILBERT (1897-1947) Jacob Evans GILBERT (1883-1939) Katie BROWN GILBERT (1887-1955) [wife] Leroy Coleman GILBERT (1846-1911) Mary Katherine DEISHER GILBERT (1857-1918) [wife] Fred Stuart LUNSORD (1888-1968) Delight WILSON LUNSFORD (1897-1975) [wife] Emma Bell GILMORE WILSON (1863-1938) [wife] James William WILSON (1856-1936)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Echard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/2194 Message Board Post: Family of John H. Echard. Not the John C. from the Christian Echard line.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/1790.1.1 Message Board Post: Since I entered the information I discovered my John Echard was John H. and not the John C. of your line. However, I have some information on your line that you could use. Of course, always verify everything you get. My email is [email protected] Contact me and I'll email you the gedcom file. DEB

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4BC.2ACI/1790.1 Message Board Post: John C. Echard, son of Christian Echard, born in Rockbridge County, Virginia was born about May 1819. William King Echard is John C.'s younger brother. William is my ancestor, born 11 Aug 1824 in Rockbridge, married to Agnes Wilson Dixon 5 Dec 1849. There are 6 more living children in Christian Echard's will, but I am looking for the daughter who died. He refers to 2 granddaughters, Martha An and Amanda Cox. I am looking for them and for the parents of Christian. If this helps you, I'm glad; or if you can help me, I would appreciate it. Cottonwood, AZ

The Craig - Botetourt Genealogy club is proud to present the Craig County Heritage Book. We will have a celebration at the Fincastle Library. You are invited to attend. The Craig County Heritage Book will be available for pickup at the Fincastle Library at 11 Academy Street, Fincastle, Va in the Meeting room on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 6:15 pm to 9:00 pm. A second pickup date has been scheduled for Saturday, October 2, 2004 from 10:00 am to 1:00 pm at the same location. Those who have ordered a book to be shipped will receive their books shortly. These will be sent out about Oct 4, 2004. If there has been a change of address, Please notify me if you have not done so. Rena Worthen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Tooley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4BC.2ACI/1171.1.2 Message Board Post: James Allen Tooley, b 5/10/1826 in Logan Co., KY married Talitha Ann Haws, b 10/01/1825 on 10/12/1847. Their oldest son, John W. Tooley b 08/1848 is my great-great-great grandfather. Would like to compare information I have collected with you. Thanks!